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Sep 13, 2017 09:51:11   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
Pixel peeper!

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Sep 13, 2017 10:03:28   #
tinplater Loc: Scottsdale, AZ
 
jeep_daddy wrote:
Pixel peeper!


No not really...suppose I wanted to crop one of the images...the resulting quality is awful. When you hire a professional you expect and deserve the best quality possible.

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Sep 13, 2017 10:33:26   #
RRS Loc: Not sure
 
tinplater wrote:
Thanks to all,
Obviously this is a sensitive issue for my son and daughter in law who are, on the surface, satisfied with their images. I will ask them if these are in some way proofs. I just do not know how you get such noise from a quality camera and lens? My cell phone produces less noise, and none of my cameras, Canon, Sony has this degree of degradation. Virtually everything the photographer took was at f1.4...indoors, outdoors, close up, far away. She also liked very fast shutter speeds, hence the high ISO. (as shown in the group photo above)
Thanks to all, br Obviously this is a sensitive is... (show quote)


The ISO speed of 200 is not high at all. You will most likely see noise when you go to 100% or more on most pictures. What did your son contract the photographer to deliver? Is there an album in the works or pictures. If the agreement was to provide only a thumb drive with proofs with the option to select because the photographer would be stupid to post process all 900 shots if they weren't going to be printed. Get back to the forum when you can provide more info.

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Sep 13, 2017 10:44:48   #
RRS Loc: Not sure
 
tinplater wrote:
No not really...suppose I wanted to crop one of the images...the resulting quality is awful. When you hire a professional you expect and deserve the best quality possible.


Think about what you just said. Are the proofs yours to crop and do what you want to. Do you remember school prints that were brown and if they weren't paid for or ordered they faded in a few days? If the thumb drive was all PP and ready to go how would the professional photographer ever make any money on prints or an album. Like I said, we need to know what was agreed to as to what your son would get upon completion. It may also help to know what the photography costs were. If your son and his new wife are happy with this maybe it's best to leave it alone.

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Sep 13, 2017 11:00:22   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
I'll just comment that I shoot a 5D3 regularly at ISO 6400 and occasionally at 10,000, and I don't have objectionable noise.

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Sep 13, 2017 11:05:45   #
tinplater Loc: Scottsdale, AZ
 
RRS wrote:
Think about what you just said. Are the proofs yours to crop and do what you want to.

You completely miss the point here. We do not know if these are proofs...she just received a thumbdrive with all the images attached. But my original question remains, if these are proofs then how do you explain the 20 MB file size of each image with such low quality? I am hoping they are proofs, of course, but if not what do you say then? Please explain to me how a proof can be this large with such poor detail?

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Sep 13, 2017 11:12:51   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
We can't really sit on the internet and guess at the photographer's intentions in terms of their contract with the couple whose pictures these are ... although surely plenty will ... Many have stated these should be better, but none have direct access to the photographer to know whether this is the finished product. A question like "how do you explain ..." will just get the clucking hens of UHH to chatter for days or weeks with zero value to the underlying issues you've raised in this post. Many share in your disappointment, at this stage. But if you want to know the exact status of this wedding shoot and the images being created, you need to have a candid discussion with the photographer, not us.

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Sep 13, 2017 11:38:32   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
67skylark27 wrote:
The father is the one posting, and if it were a successful artistic decision he wouldn't have posted it as an example.
I'm raising the discussion of a possible connection between out of focus bokeh and ISO noise.


It is his way of bashing Canon. No other reason for this post. Obviously a jealous other brand user wanting to bash Canons as noisy and I am surprised that he didn't throw in a DR complaint.

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Sep 13, 2017 11:39:12   #
RRS Loc: Not sure
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
We can't really sit on the internet and guess at the photographer's intentions in terms of their contract with the couple whose pictures these are ... although surely plenty will ... Many have stated these should be better, but none have direct access to the photographer to know whether this is the finished product. A question like "how do you explain ..." will just get the clucking hens of UHH to chatter for days or weeks with zero value to the underlying issues you've raised in this post. Many share in your disappointment, at this stage. But if you want to know the exact status of this wedding shoot and the images being created, you need to have a candid discussion with the photographer, not us.
We can't really sit on the internet and guess at t... (show quote)


Well said and to the point!

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Sep 13, 2017 11:48:06   #
Dan De Lion Loc: Montana
 
wingclui44 wrote:
Yes, I will ask the same question: why did the "pro" use f1.4 in out door light?


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Right on! Why would "pro" shoot an entire wedding with a 35mm lens at f1.4. The photographer is an amateur and the pics are highly cropped. Hopefully, the price was right.

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Sep 13, 2017 12:10:31   #
catalint Loc: oslo
 
"A photo tells 1000 words" (not sure how you say it) , well i think we said the 1000 words in this thread, none were positive about the supposedly proof photos.

How many of you would accept the group photo as a very good result from a professional photographer. Put aside photographers so called intention to deliver with intention so they dont run off with the picture, and all that other crap that supposed to defend why those poor quality pictures.
How many of you Pro's in here would take that shot with the settings taken ? It doesn't look to me like it was a beautiful sunny day where you could get some help and drop the flash. Why wasn't a flash used?

I am willing to bet, the original photo is underexposed. I spendt a lot of time, not using a flash, and it was not cause "Oh i like the natural lightning", (in some cases I do, but that's from an artistic view) . I did it first of all because I wanted to learn how to use the camera and know about it's limitation. And boy I learned much from that. And finally I was ready for a good flash. Because now I know the limitations. That photographers should have known his/her limitations, and for me those samples raises questions. If that's the level of pro, then I am a pro as well.

Of course we know very little about the agreement between the photographer and the couple. But for me it doesn't matter. This is the UHH classroom :) and the fact is the pictures shows low quality with some expensive gear which leads most of us to the assumption that the gear was in the wrong hands.

Objections?

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Sep 13, 2017 12:46:46   #
tinplater Loc: Scottsdale, AZ
 
Architect1776 wrote:
It is his way of bashing Canon. No other reason for this post. Obviously a jealous other brand user wanting to bash Canons as noisy and I am surprised that he didn't throw in a DR complaint.

I strongly object to that! I have used Canon for decades including Canon Pelix, A-1, F1, F1N, 40D, 70D, 6D, 7d, 5d I and II. I have or have had many quality lenses from Canon. It is amazing to me that you, with no knowledge of me, would post a message that has no basis in fact whatsoever. I think I would rather bash architects than cameras anyway.

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Sep 13, 2017 13:08:13   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
tinplater wrote:
I strongly object to that! I have used Canon for decades including Canon Pelix, A-1, F1, F1N, 40D, 70D, 6D, 7d, 5d I and II. I have or have had many quality lenses from Canon. It is amazing to me that you, with no knowledge of me, would post a message that has no basis in fact whatsoever. I think I would rather bash architects than cameras anyway.


Bash architects all you want to. Just remember that the Architect is responsible for every building you go into as far as life safety is concerned. No too many people die from a crappy photographer doing poorly.

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Sep 13, 2017 13:13:27   #
tinplater Loc: Scottsdale, AZ
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Bash architects all you want to. Just remember that the Architect is responsible for every building you go into as far as life safety is concerned. No too many people die from a crappy photographer doing poorly.


That's why it is important to bash stupid, untalented architects who do not reason well. Keep us all safer.

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Sep 13, 2017 14:38:24   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
tinplater wrote:
That's why it is important to bash stupid, untalented architects who do not reason well. Keep us all safer.


No deaths or injuries under my watch in hundreds of projects including those in FL. They held up just fine. Or in any other of 31 states with the CA ones doing fine in quake zones.

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