I want to buy my first DSLR, but am open to mirrorless.
The D810 is a wonderful camera. I have ordered a D850 and I cannot give you a qualified answer yet. It has more mg's and it is supposed to have a greater dynamic range. I love Nikon because of the range of lenses and the fact that I have never had a serious problem with Nikon. Nikon's service over the years has been really good. If your budget will allow I'd go for the gusto. Good luck.
MiraMeadows wrote:
Hi Mac, was thinking of Nikon D810, their entry level full frame. How is the 850 different.
F8 Forever wrote:
You mention macro work, and I'm not sure that's an option in mirrorless cameras, yet. Other than that, I'd say go into a good store and handle what they have. See what feels good to handle. Some SLRs are very lightweight, and some lenses are, too. But, the best lenses tend to be weighty-- lots of glass and metal.
I'm familiar with Canon, Nikon and Pentax and you really can't go wrong with them. Depending on your cash flow, get a middle or upper range body-- even with them the cheapest bodies have limitations.
If you find a decent mirrorless that meets your needs, don't hesitate just because no mirror. Leica made its reputation with mirrorless cameras, and I really, really miss my M3. If you've got the cash, at least take a look at Leica, although you won't find the lens variety you may want.
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There are THREE excellent macro lenses for Micro 4/3 cameras: Panasonic 30mm f/2.8 (60mm FF equivalent), Panasonic Leica 45mm f/2.8 (90mm FF equivalent), and Olympus 60mm f/2.8 (120mm FF equivalent).
I use my 30mm all the time to copy film negatives, slides, transparencies, and artwork, in addition to photographing nature, products, people, and processes.
Haydon wrote:
You really aren't going to save that much weight with the camera body if you go mirrorless. The lenses may in fact be the weigh in factor. People can suggest Nikon, Sony, Canon, Olympus etc but all the manufacturers make cameras that exceed the user of today. Look at the comfort level and how a body fits in your hand. It doesn't matter how good or how light the camera body is, if it doesn't fit your hand it's just won't be a good choice. Go to a camera shop and hold a few cameras from different manufacturers.
You wouldn't buy a car sight unseen generally would you? This isn't any different.
I hear so many people touting get this camera it's the best or don't buy this camera, it's long in the tooth and old. Take a look at this woman's work. She using what many here would describe as old but few here produce images like her with any camera that they say is better.
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Backlighting
Backlighting through fog, mist, rain, snow
Reflector or flash fill
Dawn or dusk; warm contrasting with cool light sources
Classic compositions
Cute animals
Vignetting in Lightroom
Her work has a consistency bordering on the trite and cliche, but it's still gorgeous.
burkphoto wrote:
Backlighting
Backlighting through fog, mist, rain, snow
Reflector or flash fill
Dawn or dusk; warm contrasting with cool light sources
Classic compositions
Cute animals
Vignetting in Lightroom
Her work has a consistency bordering on the trite and cliche, but it's still gorgeous.
I guess Rembrandt would be Cliche then, too. The use of light is very similar.
I applaud anyone who dreams, has a vision, finds a way to execute that vision, overcomes all obsticals, and does it beautifully. I want to do that someday through photography.
CatMarley wrote:
I guess Rembrandt would be Cliche then, too. The use of light is very similar.
Bingo! That's who I thought of too when I first saw her work. If Rembrandt had taken photos, they would be similar to those that Elena Shumilova turns out.
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Her work has a consistency bordering on the trite and cliche, but it's still gorgeous.[/quote
Her photos are technically excellent, but they are saccharin. Viewing them I feel like I ate too much candy.
I, to some extent, agree with you berchman and Bill, they are compositions where she has complete control of the subject matter. Its all probably formulaic for her by now as all her shots pretty much say the same thing and evoke a common response from the viewer. They are still quite lovely.
I personally am more moved by, and find more gratifying, candid shots made where the photographer captures an honest reaction from a subject without interference from the photographer and has to think quickly on their feet to get the shot. But thats my taste. Guess thats why I admire photojournalists and nature photographers so much. To me, they have the opportunity to change the collective mindset of the world, one photograph at a time.
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Her work has a consistency bordering on the trite and cliche, but it's still gorgeous.[/quote
Her photos are technically excellent, but they are saccharin. Viewing them I feel like I ate too much candy.[/quote]
These photos represent a classic artistic taste, with complete command of the medium. Yes it is old fashioned and sentimental. A very late 19th, early 20th Century genre. To call them "saccharin" is too pejorative, and a bit snide.
Well this thread got hijacked....
LoneRangeFinder wrote:
Well this thread got hijacked....
Yes we always have to descend from discussion to complaining about things like deviation from the topic of conversation, don't we!
CatMarley wrote:
I guess Rembrandt would be Cliche then, too. The use of light is very similar.
It's not a bad thing to use cliche to one's commercial advantage... another description of it is "narrow genre" or "limited style."
I like her work, even if she tends to do the same thing again and again. I am sure it sells, just as Anne Geddes' work sells well.
MiraMeadows wrote:
I, to some extent, agree with you berchman and Bill, they are compositions where she has complete control of the subject matter. Its all probably formulaic for her by now as all her shots pretty much say the same thing and evoke a common response from the viewer. They are still quite lovely.
I personally am more moved by, and find more gratifying, candid shots made where the photographer captures an honest reaction from a subject without interference from the photographer and has to think quickly on their feet to get the shot. But thats my taste. Guess thats why I admire photojournalists and nature photographers so much. To me, they have the opportunity to change the collective mindset of the world, one photograph at a time.
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Combining the classic look and lighting with a photojournalistic element is difficult, but yields amazing images when it works. It's usually serendipitous. And to rely on that is commercially risky.
My own preferred style is photojournalistic, candid, "I'm a fly on the wall" sorts of work.
For the lady who would like to perhaps try a Fuji X camera and lens, here is a little example of what it can do under the worst of conditions. I saw the bird through the kitchen window and grabbed the closest camera which happened to be my Fuji XT-1 with the 18-135 lens on it. It was set for auto everything and I only had time to move toward the window, (double paned and not clean either) crank the lens out all the way, and shoot. This is a crop of a tiny area of the frame. Fujis are good!
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