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Sep 2, 2017 16:01:11   #
le boecere
 
MiraMeadows wrote:
Hi all, I am wanting to buy my first serious camera (had a Brownie Super 27 when I was 7 and took pictures of everything on the planet. Also had a point and shoot enjoyed it too. Now its my cell phone.). I am retired and want to become passionate about photography again. Not sure in which direction to go. I have the intelligence and enthusiasm to learn the working of any camera (also know I need to take a course and do some reading). My plan is to buy the body separately and maybe 2 to 3 lenses separately. I would love to go with a full frame camera, respectable MP, decent viewing screen and one that is enjoyable to learn to use. I will be traveling a lot in the future so landscapes, nature, candid shots of street scenes are my interests. I also love shooting macro or blown up shots of tiny things. I'm 66 and have some arthritis in my hands. First question, would a light weight DSLR be better or can I get decent fast lenses with mirrorless? If DSLR is the way to go, Canon or Nikon? I know enough to know once you commit to one or the other, your married. I dont want to buy cheap now and upgrade over and over again. I'm not 20 so I dont have luxury of many years for that. I want to buy a great camera and gradually add some great lenses, filters, etc. Help, any recommendations?..🤠
Hi all, I am wanting to buy my first serious camer... (show quote)


Mira, I'm hoping you'll carefully read Bill Burkholder's lengthy post (down Page 1, about a dozen posts). In fact, it should be an article that's available via Google search.

You mention arthritis, traveling, and candid street scenes, but you want interchangeable lenses. For me, my similar wants and needs have voted full-frame, and APS-C DSLR's, off my photographic island.

You're coming from a "point and shoot" experience.
I believe you're going to want"compact", light weight; and will very much enjoy a "PASM" dial. Owning Canon, Sony, and Fujifilm mirrorless; I will venture that Sony, or one of the Micro 4/3's (probably Panasonic) will give you the most enjoyment, and will be with you more often than will a larger camera.

_Van

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Sep 2, 2017 16:33:49   #
repleo Loc: Boston
 
Mira,
The Sony A6xxx series were originally intended for folks just like you (and me) - folks who wanted to step up from their compact cameras and cell phones to a 'serious' camera. The A6000 turned out to be so good that it caught the attention of serious enthusiasts and even some pro's. I read somewhere that 2 out of every 3 A6000 buyers are photographers who already had DSLR's and were switching to mirrorless systems. As you will have deduced by now, there are those who have embraced the new technology and those who will have to have their DSLR's 'pried from their cold dead hands'. Just as there are those who refused to switch from view cameras to SLR's, or from film to digital or from cd's to vinyl there will always be aficionados who will refuse to switch from DSLR's to Mirrorless. However, there is no doubt that the industry is trending towards mirrorless because that is where the growing market is. DSLR's are the past and may still be the present, but mirrorless is the future.

Having said that, ANY modern photo device - including cell phones and compact cameras, DSLR or mirrorless is capable of taking outstanding photographs that could only have been achieved by skilled professionals with top class gear thirty years ago. One of the unspoken benefits of buying higher priced gear nowadays is that it eliminates a lot of excuses for taking mediocre photographs and forces you to face your limitations as a photographer.

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Sep 2, 2017 16:36:16   #
BrentHarder Loc: Southern California
 
WOW! That bear has amazing lighting. Great catch! The lion isn't bad either but the bear is excellent!

GregWCIL wrote:
You have a big decision to make and once you go a certain route you will be invested and it wouldn't be cheap to change equipment lineups. So......either find some friends or maybe a camera club where you can actually try a camera out. Only you can tell what "feels" good. You can rent them reasonably. Check with a local camera store. But try to get it out into real-world situations.

About any interchangeable lens camera can give good results. I personally like full frame Nikons but I have a friend (he's a retired wedding photographer) who produces really great results with his little Olympus 4/3 cameras. I bought my wife a little Sony A6000. It has stunning capabilities but I personally don't like the electronic viewfinder. Much of your decision will be based on your intended use: Mirrorless is a little smaller (but lenses aren't necessarily smaller) so handier for casual and landscape photos, a dslr's optical viewfinder is tough to beat if you are shooting fast moving things like wildlife.

I'm six3 and 240 yet packing around a full frame camera and several lenses does get tiring at times. And we are all getting older.
Good luck with your decision. I too got back into photography as a perfect matchup to our desire to travel more as we near retirement. My passion has led us to some beautiful places. I hope you have equal success.
You have a big decision to make and once you go a... (show quote)

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Sep 2, 2017 17:02:21   #
r.grossner Loc: Rockford IL & Sarasota FL
 
MiraMeadows wrote:
Hi Mac, was thinking of Nikon D810, their entry level full frame. How is the 850 different.


The D610 is the Nikon entry level FF. The D750 would be a good choice and handles high ISO well and low light focusing. A higher Pixel count is the D810. The D850, which just came out, is their newest flagship model with 45MP and a healthy price tag. I presently shoot a D750 and love it. If I was to get another body it would be a DX (crop) probably a D7200 to get some extra reach when birding. I shoot a lot of older AI primes especially for macro work and very little sports.

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Sep 2, 2017 17:14:01   #
r.grossner Loc: Rockford IL & Sarasota FL
 
MiraMeadows wrote:
OK Mac, stand corrected on that. I've read that MP isn't everything...lens quality is very important. Of course the person behind the camera figures in too.


On average FX (FF) lenses are higher quality, heavier and more expensive than DX (crop) by a substanial amount. I grew up on film so went FF.

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Sep 2, 2017 17:17:40   #
r.grossner Loc: Rockford IL & Sarasota FL
 
Great information Burkfoto!

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Sep 2, 2017 17:30:39   #
ValliPride Loc: Lost in Florida
 
I am retired also, I have the Nikon d500 with a 17-55 2.8 lens. Also the Sony A7R2 with the G master 24-70 lens that I love. The Nikon is a bit heavy with the lens. But I know the Nikon like the back of my hand. Always get the shot no questions asked. The Sony I love with the Gmaster lens 2.8, but I must think about my photos while I photograph with the Sony. But I love the Quality of the Sony. I photograph for a couple of Greyhound rescues. Good Luck

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Sep 2, 2017 17:30:56   #
ValliPride Loc: Lost in Florida
 
I am retired also, I have the Nikon d500 with a 17-55 2.8 lens. Also the Sony A7R2 with the G master 24-70 lens that I love. The Nikon is a bit heavy with the lens. But I know the Nikon like the back of my hand. Always get the shot no questions asked. The Sony I love with the Gmaster lens 2.8, but I must think about my photos while I photograph with the Sony. But I love the Quality of the Sony. I photograph for a couple of Greyhound rescues. Good Luck

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Sep 2, 2017 17:36:34   #
r.grossner Loc: Rockford IL & Sarasota FL
 
Wingpilot wrote:
Much is said about "moving up" to a full frame camera, as if it involves going into an entire new world, myterious, challenging, and so on. The truth is, there's nothing special about it. Consider the Nikon D750. It's practically a mirror image of the D7200, so if one were to go that route, they'd find it essentially the same. What a full frame sensor format gives you is larger pixels per given number on a sensor. So the pixels on a full frame 24.8 mp camera are simply larger than the pixels on a 24.8mp crop sensor. Thus, each pixel on the full frame sensor can gather more light. Makes low light performance better with FF. You also get a flatter focal plane, gaining you very nice blurred backgrounds. And because of the larger format, image quality seems to be better, especially when images are enlarged, meaning less graininess/noise. But as far as bing something left best for the professionals, that is bunk. Full frame cameras operate the same way as other DSLR's. They're just bigger and heavier. So if you want to go full frame at the outset, don't think you're getting in over your head, and don't let anyone try to convince you that you don't "need" full frame.
Much is said about "moving up" to a full... (show quote)


Agreed, FF IS better at high ISO and probably better IQ. I went FF because all my "glass" is FF and I don't want to upgrade later. I will probably get a D7200 if/when I feel I need another body and all my primes will give a little different perspective.

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Sep 2, 2017 17:40:19   #
Leopardo
 
Mirrorless as you have read from other members has certain issues with regard to shutter lag, electronic viewfinder (although I don't see a major issue with that), and the fact that the sensor is exposed whenever you change lenses (which can be an issue if you are in windy conditions or just normal use). Canon just came out with the 6D Mark ll which is an excellent full frame camera. I shoot with the older 6D and love its performance, even as compared to my 5D Mark lll. Give it a test run at your local photo dealer. Of course if weight is an issue you may want to go with a crop sensor camera. I would wait on a full frame mirrorless as the technology is still in transition. I do believe that eventually mirrorless will take over the market.

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Sep 2, 2017 17:52:53   #
F8 Forever Loc: Lng Island, NY
 
You mention macro work, and I'm not sure that's an option in mirrorless cameras, yet. Other than that, I'd say go into a good store and handle what they have. See what feels good to handle. Some SLRs are very lightweight, and some lenses are, too. But, the best lenses tend to be weighty-- lots of glass and metal.

I'm familiar with Canon, Nikon and Pentax and you really can't go wrong with them. Depending on your cash flow, get a middle or upper range body-- even with them the cheapest bodies have limitations.

If you find a decent mirrorless that meets your needs, don't hesitate just because no mirror. Leica made its reputation with mirrorless cameras, and I really, really miss my M3. If you've got the cash, at least take a look at Leica, although you won't find the lens variety you may want.

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Sep 2, 2017 18:01:39   #
Earworms Loc: Sacramento, California
 
You've already received numerous replies, so mine comes a bit late. If you'd like a smaller lighter dSLR, please consider one of the Canon EOS Rebel line of cameras. My very first dSLR was a Canon 20D which did fit my hands quite nicely. I later upgraded to a 40D, an even larger and heavier camera, which I really did not enjoy carrying at all.

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Sep 2, 2017 18:19:51   #
berchman Loc: South Central PA
 
F8 Forever wrote:
You mention macro work, and I'm not sure that's an option in mirrorless cameras, yet.


Fuji is releasing an 80mm f/2.8 macro lens at the end of 2017.

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Sep 2, 2017 19:04:34   #
repleo Loc: Boston
 
Leopardo wrote:
..... I would wait on a full frame mirrorless as the technology is still in transition ....


No need to wait for a full frame mirrorless - they have been around for several years. The Sony A7xxx series are all full frame cameras. Fuji and Hasselblad have Medium Format mirrorless cameras for anybody with the money to buy one.

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Sep 2, 2017 19:16:45   #
MiraMeadows Loc: Summerville, SC
 
Berchman, thats great news about the lens..and checks another box for Fuji mirrorless..gosh.. this is a hard decision..where will DSLRs be 10 yrs from now, will they be pass?...will they be on the cutting edge anymore or will mirrorless be the best ? Everything is going digital..digital... and mirrorless seems to have a huge stake in making their product work to perfection..part of me wants to be a part of owning a DSLR, FX, with great AF capabilities, and some gorgeous lenses and love taking wonderful shots. I need to know more about mirrorless and what's in their future?

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