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Aug 11, 2017 07:19:58   #
Jimmy T Loc: Virginia
 
LFingar wrote:
Food is bland, Ron? Maybe your diet, but restaurants and super markets offer a vastly wider selection of meals and food products then ever. If you settle for bland then that's your problem. Houses incredibly cheap? I paid just about as much for a pick-up truck lately as I did for a custom built 2 story house on 3.5 acres back in '76. That same $45,000 today will barely buy a shack. Today's building materials and techniques are far beyond anything we had years ago. The 3-tab shingles I put on my original house were rated for 15 yr. Hardly anyone sells them anymore. The Architectural shingles on my current house are rated for 50 yrs. Engineered lumber, spray foam insulation, roof underlay, household wiring and electrical, plumbing, heating & a/c, lighting have all improved. Cars? If you want real junk go back to the '50's, 60's and 70's when the Detroit iron was just plain disgraceful. Even Harley-Davidson was often junk back in the 70's. Not anymore. Today's manufacturing technology has made modern vehicles just about bullet proof. 100,000 miles is barely broken in for most cars. In the '60's blueprinting an engine and degreeing the cam were necessities for high performance. Today, a guy in his garage can't come close to the precision that the factories deliver right off the assembly line.
You can always find crap if you look hard enough, but you can have your world of nostalgia. I'll take the precision and quality available in today's world.
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Aug 11, 2017 07:28:39   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Rongnongno wrote:
This is not only about photography but everything else.

We yearn for good health when we are ill but just as quickly we forget what is was to be sick.

In photography our tolerance for low quality imagery increases with the mediocrity of the work presented. Something that would have merely be worth a glance now becomes 'good' and was was good becomes 'great'.

How did I notice this? I was asked to go through archives to purge them and before long I realized that I had built a 'tolerance' for 'not so good'. I had to go three times over this accumulation of captures before reducing if from 25k to about 8k and I am well aware that this 'built in' tolerance made me save too many 'passable' images.

That made me think of other things and I nrealized that we live in world where mediocrity is king. Our food is bland, our drinks are blah (after too many I guess it not does make a difference). Houses are incredibly cheap in construction and start to fall apart after a decade or so if not sooner, cars are more expensive than ever and with a few exceptions start to have severe problems past 100k miles...

It used to be that if you wanted quality you had to pay for it. Now you pay for it and the quality is not there. I saw that in photography too, for a long time. The decline was slow but now it is speeding up.

I am not asking 'What gives'? Simply because I know the answer. We have lost the sense of right and wrong. It has eroded slowly for decades, both on a personal and societal levels.
This is not only about photography but everything ... (show quote)

It is sad that many feel the way you just expounded upon. As for me, I have a much brighter view of the world. Thanks but no thanks.

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Aug 11, 2017 07:43:39   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
lamiaceae wrote:
And not everyone one is looking to create art, some use photography merely to record an event, place or memory.



Always has been this way. Kodak sold thousands of box cameras to make memories and nothing else.

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Aug 11, 2017 07:44:16   #
Manglesphoto Loc: 70 miles south of St.Louis
 
Rongnongno wrote:
This is not only about photography but everything else.

We yearn for good health when we are ill but just as quickly we forget what is was to be sick.

In photography our tolerance for low quality imagery increases with the mediocrity of the work presented. Something that would have merely be worth a glance now becomes 'good' and was was good becomes 'great'.

How did I notice this? I was asked to go through archives to purge them and before long I realized that I had built a 'tolerance' for 'not so good'. I had to go three times over this accumulation of captures before reducing if from 25k to about 8k and I am well aware that this 'built in' tolerance made me save too many 'passable' images.

That made me think of other things and I nrealized that we live in world where mediocrity is king. Our food is bland, our drinks are blah (after too many I guess it not does make a difference). Houses are incredibly cheap in construction and start to fall apart after a decade or so if not sooner, cars are more expensive than ever and with a few exceptions start to have severe problems past 100k miles...

It used to be that if you wanted quality you had to pay for it. Now you pay for it and the quality is not there. I saw that in photography too, for a long time. The decline was slow but now it is speeding up.

I am not asking 'What gives'? Simply because I know the answer. We have lost the sense of right and wrong. It has eroded slowly for decades, both on a personal and societal levels.
This is not only about photography but everything ... (show quote)


For once I agree with you completely!!!

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Aug 11, 2017 07:46:30   #
JohnTDallas
 
I've been thinking a lot about this post, and the many responses to it. The original poster talks about losing a sense of right and wrong - I would like to add further reflection about what I think that means, and how it affects anything we humans create, whether it's photographs, music, cars, houses, etc. In general, society seems to be very self-absorbed. That means that there is something in the way of our ability to be aware, to focus with objectivity on whatever is beyond us, outside of us, around us. We don't see the subtleties of light and texture in real life, so we don't/can't put those qualitites into a photograph; we don't hear the louds, softs and tonal textures in music, so before you know it - low quality mp3s are "as good as"; processed, imitation and quick food seems to be as good as the dish that takes multiples steps and more time to create. Over time, everything becomes "jpegged", you all know what I mean. How can we remedy this? I think it comes down to an ability to truly experience life through all our senses, to truly see, hear, taste, touch and smell. Let go of our filters, learn to risk the unknown, find a new relationship with failure as a prelude to learning and success, learn to suspend premature judgment so that we can see how things "really are", open our hearts to others!

Forgive me if I got carried away, but I think each one of us can make a difference. There is still so much beauty in this world and our lives - let's live it fully!

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Aug 11, 2017 07:55:19   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
[quote=JohnTNikon]

In general, society seems to be very self-absorbed. That means that there is something in the way of our ability to be aware, to focus with objectivity on whatever is beyond us, outside of us, around us.

Can you say Rome 400 AD?

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Aug 11, 2017 08:21:51   #
johnbhome2 Loc: Wyoming, Michigan
 
A part of life is change, good, bad or indifferent. As a young man I often wondered why older individuals stuck to their old ways when newer/better ways were available. Slowly but surely life in all aspects changed. Now, in retrospect I am that older individual stuck in my old ways. The shear amount of information and the speed of such is overwhelming at times for me as well as perhaps all of us. The one thing I am sure about is that there are thousands of ways to skin a cat metaphorically. As long as we all get to the same point does it really matter how. As for mediocrity especially in photography perhaps I would feel the need if I was a professional photographer to cull my portfolio of photos not quite good enough for today. But, I am just an avid enthusiast with my own personal portfolio. Some photos are great and some not but they all represent many memories to me. As such, I did the best I could with the equipment and skill I had back in the day. I will leave the mediocrity judgement to my kids to do with whatever they want. Most of my photos are digitized since the day of digital cameras dawn with the greatest photos and memories firmly ingrained in my mind.

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Aug 11, 2017 08:43:11   #
JCam Loc: MD Eastern Shore
 
[Quote] "...In photography our tolerance for low quality imagery increases with the mediocrity of the work presented. Something that would have merely be worth a glance now becomes 'good' and was was good becomes 'great'."

It is not my intention to upgrade 'good' or even 'fair' photography of individual shots to "Great", but perhaps you are being a bit too harsh. A grading scale has to be a bit flexible based on the subjects and the intended use of the shots that pass an evaluation test. Most pictures 'back in the day' were taken by ordinary people, not photographers, with simple box cameras for their memories. Photos of long gone people, pets, past events etc. can not be retaken so most people want to keep the best that they have and will accept slightly out of focus or blown out, etc. so long as the subject is identifiable. If there are two almost identical shots, one in focus and one not, keep the better one, but don't trash them both because neither meet your 2017 standards for digital photography which was impossible to achieve when the shutter was tripped.

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Aug 11, 2017 09:07:42   #
NBBPH Loc: Indiana
 
Same old, same old. I will be brief - I grew up in the 40s and 50s (I am 80) and have many photographs from that era and earlier (from grandparents and great-grandparents). Quality? No comparison - today's cameras and images (technical standpoint) are far superior. Like any other "art" form there is a mass of product, from yesterday and today, of which only a small amount will survive with time. Truth to tell, an impromtu black and white photo, taken with an old Kodak camera, of my grandmother, standing in front of her lilac bush, with housedress on is far more precious to me than anything Adams or Walker, or the other famous ones ever did. As for cars, Tvs, and other things we have it far better than we ever had it.

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Aug 11, 2017 09:21:46   #
James Slick Loc: Pittsburgh,PA
 
TB4 wrote:
Hmmm. Vehicles are now much more energy efficient and many last well over 200,000 miles, cameras can do things unimagined a few years ago, TVs and appliances are sharper and more capable than ever before (I remember transistors and bulbs failing), and so on. I do agree that construction is not what it used to be. I doubt we will see structures bring built now like the churches in Europe that last 400+ years. But would you be interested in living in the same conditions as were common 50 years ago? Little air conditioning, poor communication, lack of world knowledge, health practices without laparoscopy, etc?
Hmmm. Vehicles are now much more energy efficient ... (show quote)


Yes, the technical side of the road is better, It's art that's declined. (today's television SETS are vastly superior but today's television SHOWS are not.) There have been studies proving that popular music today has less variation in actual sound (less Instruments used, less variation in melody, timbre ETC) than even 10 years ago. However, in photography I'm not too concerned. Vastly more photos are shot and shown today than ever before. We see snapshots on Facebook ETC that 30 years ago would have gathered dust in the old shoebox (if they were snapped at all). OTOH people are still making great images. Modern tools make it more accessible and cheap to shoot. The observer must look past the "crap" to find "keepers".

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Aug 11, 2017 09:25:05   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
JohnTNikon wrote:
I've been thinking a lot about this post, and the many responses to it. The original poster talks about losing a sense of right and wrong - I would like to add further reflection about what I think that means, and how it affects anything we humans create, whether it's photographs, music, cars, houses, etc. In general, society seems to be very self-absorbed. That means that there is something in the way of our ability to be aware, to focus with objectivity on whatever is beyond us, outside of us, around us. We don't see the subtleties of light and texture in real life, so we don't/can't put those qualitites into a photograph; we don't hear the louds, softs and tonal textures in music, so before you know it - low quality mp3s are "as good as"; processed, imitation and quick food seems to be as good as the dish that takes multiples steps and more time to create. Over time, everything becomes "jpegged", you all know what I mean. How can we remedy this? I think it comes down to an ability to truly experience life through all our senses, to truly see, hear, taste, touch and smell. Let go of our filters, learn to risk the unknown, find a new relationship with failure as a prelude to learning and success, learn to suspend premature judgment so that we can see how things "really are", open our hearts to others!

Forgive me if I got carried away, but I think each one of us can make a difference. There is still so much beauty in this world and our lives - let's live it fully!
I've been thinking a lot about this post, and the ... (show quote)


I once heard a story about a noted science fiction writer who did some writing for TV. One of his friends asked him how he could write for TV since 90% of TV is crap. His answer was that 90% of EVERYTHING is crap. So it has always been. We look back at the great artists and musicians of the past without thinking about the great majority of crap artists and musicians of their time we don't remember. There are still great artists, musicians, movies, tv shows today. They just aren't ones that the majority of the public embrace. We have a lot of processed junk food, but the level of cooking in this country is higher than ever among people who care about good food and prepare it with care and love from fresh ingredients. TV cooking shows are popular, farmers markets are thriving more than ever, and more restaurants are embracing farm-to-table. Things aren't so bad today among people who take the time to seek out the best.

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Aug 11, 2017 09:26:07   #
Tomcat5133 Loc: Gladwyne PA
 
We have created mediocrity. We insist on paying very little for most things. In Europe most times bad food in not tolerated.
I use Amazon for almost everything. A book called cheaper written a few years ago talked of how discounting and cheap
selling was considered obscene in the early part of the last century. The service you would get in Macy's and other quality
stores was outstanding. Now let's look at cameras. Sony and others are producing quality camera's at prices that are a
huge bargain. The Canon T series. The Sony a6000 camera series case in point. Great images well made. They started under
a thousand I believe and the a6300 and a6500 go up to ?1200 or so. We complain about the cost of everything.
What you get from Sony has forced Canon, Nikon, Red to slowly reduce their prices.
We created mediocrity with our lust for more and more items which are manufactured in countries where
people work under very poor conditions. Do we care! Does it bother us that everthing we buy says "China"?
We created the mediocrity.

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Aug 11, 2017 09:48:51   #
aellman Loc: Boston MA
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Not saying you are right or wrong but what I think you are referring to is personal preference more than the slipping of quality at least in photography. Every day I look at the photos on UHH and see some incredibly good photographs; I mean really outstanding. But along with that I see some absolutely terrible and boring photographs, some of birds feeding at a feeder or a shot of the moon. There are many depending on what your preference in photo subjects is. But that is me. I don't go in for bird shots. There are many photographers who do love bird photos and put out lots of dollars every year to buy cameras, lenses, binoculars etc. just to take photos of birds. There are other people who might see a fox in their front yard occasionally. To actually get a photo of it with their 70-300 lens, where it even looks like a fox, is a tremendous achievement for them. They are happy campers.

My point is that every one of us has different expectations of the finished photograph. If you are happy with a somewhat out of focus picture of a blue jay at a feeder then your day is made. You are happy and nobody should take that away from you.

As for the other subjects you mentioned, mediocrity and what was wrong is now right and proper, I agree with you but they would take much more time than I have here.

Dennis
Not saying you are right or wrong but what I think... (show quote)


OK, I am an old guy, BUT, things like appliances, TVs, cars, and to an extent, cameras in the past were designed to last a long time and be economically repaired. Now, the cost of repair can equal or exceed the product's value, so you throw it away. I have a Kenmore washer and dryer that I bought in 1970 that are still going strong, my having made just a few DIY parts replacements during that time. Try doing that now with digital appliances. Good luck! >Alan

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Aug 11, 2017 09:57:50   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
Rongnongno wrote:
This is not only about photography but everything else.

We yearn for good health when we are ill but just as quickly we forget what is was to be sick.

In photography our tolerance for low quality imagery increases with the mediocrity of the work presented. Something that would have merely be worth a glance now becomes 'good' and was was good becomes 'great'.

How did I notice this? I was asked to go through archives to purge them and before long I realized that I had built a 'tolerance' for 'not so good'. I had to go three times over this accumulation of captures before reducing if from 25k to about 8k and I am well aware that this 'built in' tolerance made me save too many 'passable' images.

That made me think of other things and I nrealized that we live in world where mediocrity is king. Our food is bland, our drinks are blah (after too many I guess it not does make a difference). Houses are incredibly cheap in construction and start to fall apart after a decade or so if not sooner, cars are more expensive than ever and with a few exceptions start to have severe problems past 100k miles...

It used to be that if you wanted quality you had to pay for it. Now you pay for it and the quality is not there. I saw that in photography too, for a long time. The decline was slow but now it is speeding up.

I am not asking 'What gives'? Simply because I know the answer. We have lost the sense of right and wrong. It has eroded slowly for decades, both on a personal and societal levels.
This is not only about photography but everything ... (show quote)

With regard to my photographs, most are garbage and a waste of computer space, a few are pretty good, and fewer still are really good. With regard to cars- my 85 olds had 254,000 miles before I had it towed away. My 08 jeep has 110,000 miles on it without a major repair. The codes for home building are stiffer than at any time in the past. Homes are built better now than at any time in the past.Most of the problems have to do with maintainance, without it. everything returns to the elements from which it was made. Cameras vary in quality and price, but also need to properly maintained. A welltaken care of D5 or 1DX will last a lifetime. And an EL-Cheapo will not. With regard to any machinery-the more complicated, the more moving parts, the more likely it is to fail. Example- you can go to Harbor Tools and buy a recipricating saw for $19. Or go toHome Depot and but a Milwaukee Sawzall for $300, which one would a pro use?

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Aug 11, 2017 10:14:47   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Occasionally it is failure to proof read but more often, in my opinion it is that the person honestly does not know how to spell. I often see word errors with the following words:

advice-advise
to-too-two
their-there
Canon-Cannon
your-you're-you
then-than
ad-add

There are many more as I am sure other UHH members can add greatly to the list.
I no i kant spell. And my sintax and grammer r teribul. But mi keybored skils r evon wurse. Evon sew eye bette everwon kan unnerstand whot I juest rote.
Recently I tried to correct a fellow member on the usage of advise-advice. He got irate and literally hounded me for two days commenting on my terrible photography, own word usage etc. I guess he wanted to have people think he is illiterate.

Personally I am somewhat happy to have somebody point out an error I make. I am not perfect and would rather make the correction than have people think I am dumb. I do realize that people from other countries are not used to the English language and our spelling. I understand that perfectly.

Dennis
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