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Aug 5, 2017 11:56:02   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
burkphoto wrote:
Apple Photos to start. It came with your Mac. If you have an iPhone, it integrates with that through iCloud, so your photos are on your Mac a few moments after you take them.

Affinity Photo is the best program you can buy for $50. If

Lots of folks here use Adobe Photoshop Elements, a crippled version of Photoshop. You can find it online for $50. It's normally about $80.

Then there's the Adobe Creative Cloud Bundle of Photoshop CC and Lightroom CC. It's a subscription service, $10/month as long as you use it. It's a good deal for advanced users.
Apple Photos to start. It came with your Mac. If y... (show quote)

"$10/month as long as you use it. It's a good deal for advanced users."

It is also a good deal for anyone that wants to enjoy learning the wide world of (almost unlimited) digital photography. $10 a month is about the price of two rolls of Tri-X before developing. It can be cheaper if you buy a full year from B&H. They don't charge sales tax and they put it on sale a couple times a year. The "real" cost can be as low as $7.50 per month!

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Aug 5, 2017 12:00:57   #
Reinaldokool Loc: San Rafael, CA
 
UTMike wrote:
I am a newbie (Although an old retired guy) with a Nikon D80 (more camera than I can master right now) and I just bought a 15-inch MacBook Pro. What photo editing program would you recommend?


First mistake, you bought a toy computer. Ya coulda gotten more capability for 1/3 the cost...but oh well...

Affinity Photo has a Mac version. Easy to learn the basics but as powerful as you ever decide you want. Tutorials on Youtube that make it simple.

When you decide to buy a real computer, Affinity is also available for Windows.

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Aug 5, 2017 12:50:53   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
bsprague wrote:
"$10/month as long as you use it. It's a good deal for advanced users."

It is also a good deal for anyone that wants to enjoy learning the wide world of (almost unlimited) digital photography. $10 a month is about the price of two rolls of Tri-X before developing. It can be cheaper if you buy a full year from B&H. They don't charge sales tax and they put it on sale a couple times a year. The "real" cost can be as low as $7.50 per month!


Good to know about B&H!

I use that bundle and love it, but it's not for the faint-hearted, non-technical, casual, or "scaredy cat" users. The learning curve throws some, but if you can learn to use both Lightroom and Photoshop together, you can do magical things.

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Aug 5, 2017 14:16:55   #
louparker Loc: Scottsdale, AZ
 
UTMike wrote:
Thanks for all the comments! I have read the forum since the beginning of the year but this is my first post. The response is very helpful.


If, as you say, you "have read the forum since the beginning of the year," you would know that your question has been asked and responded to many times during the past several months -- why didn't you run a search for your question and read the responses before asking the same question yet again? I would suggest to anyone who uses this forum to use its "Search" function before you post a question about a topic that has already been the subject of previous posts.

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Aug 5, 2017 14:24:58   #
jackpinoh Loc: Kettering, OH 45419
 
Reinaldokool wrote:
First mistake, you bought a toy computer. Ya coulda gotten more capability for 1/3 the cost...but oh well...

Affinity Photo has a Mac version. Easy to learn the basics but as powerful as you ever decide you want. Tutorials on Youtube that make it simple.

When you decide to buy a real computer, Affinity is also available for Windows.

I've bought several Windows laptops for me and my family over the years. Every one of had mechanical problems: Detached screen, broken screen hinge, erratic touchpad, charger socket broke off the motherboard, etc. They were all junk within four years. I've bought several Apple laptops for me and my family members over the years. None has ever had a problem and one is over 10 years old. I guess when you buy something for ⅓ less, you have to expect they cut corners somewhere. Which leads to the real reason Apple computers cost more: they're worth it.

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Aug 5, 2017 14:45:00   #
louparker Loc: Scottsdale, AZ
 
jackpinoh wrote:
I've bought several Windows laptops for me and my family over the years. Every one of had mechanical problems: Detached screen, broken screen hinge, erratic touchpad, charger socket broke off the motherboard, etc. They were all junk within four years. I've bought several Apple laptops for me and my family members over the years. None has ever had a problem and one is over 10 years old. I guess when you buy something for ⅓ less, you have to expect they cut corners somewhere. Which leads to the real reason Apple computers cost more: they're worth it.
I've bought several Windows laptops for me and my ... (show quote)


Did you buy comparably priced Windows PC or just the cheapest ones you could find? If you spend as much for a Windows PC that you do for an Apple and buy a good brand, e.g., Samsung, Lenovo, Sony, Dell, Acer, HP, Toshiba, et al., I doubt that you would have had the same problems. You are right that a manufacturer that offers a PC for less money has to cut corners, which is why it makes no sense to compare an Apple computer to a cheap Windows PC, instead of comparing an Apple computer to a Windows PC that costs as much.

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Aug 5, 2017 15:31:35   #
ballsafire Loc: Lafayette, Louisiana
 
louparker wrote:
If, as you say, you "have read the forum since the beginning of the year," you would know that your question has been asked and responded to many times during the past several months -- why didn't you run a search for your question and read the responses before asking the same question yet again? I would suggest to anyone who uses this forum to use its "Search" function before you post a question about a topic that has already been the subject of previous posts.


You are right BUT new members are joining every day and don't know this forum as well as you do. Some of us don't read this forum every day either. After all, we learn by repetition.

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Aug 5, 2017 15:45:36   #
louparker Loc: Scottsdale, AZ
 
ballsafire wrote:
You are right BUT new members are joining every day and don't know this forum as well as you do. Some of us don't read this forum every day either. After all, we learn by repetition.


But he said that he had read "the forum every day since the beginning of the year." You are right that "we learn by repetition" but why would that keep someone from reading what others have already said in previous posts before asking the same question again?

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Aug 5, 2017 17:15:04   #
JoAnneK01 Loc: Lahaina, Hawaii
 
As an apple user and an owner of a MacBook Pro 15' you might try using photo which come with your laptop. It does a good job in processing. I also have both Luminar and Affinity. The learning curve is fairly easy with both. I was looking at Photoshop and found the learning curve to be quite long. Also, with photoshop you can't purchase the software you can only rent it which is something I prefer not to do.

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Aug 5, 2017 17:53:01   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
louparker wrote:
Did you buy comparably priced Windows PC or just the cheapest ones you could find? If you spend as much for a Windows PC that you do for an Apple and buy a good brand, e.g., Samsung, Lenovo, Sony, Dell, Acer, HP, Toshiba, et al., I doubt that you would have had the same problems. You are right that a manufacturer that offers a PC for less money has to cut corners, which is why it makes no sense to compare an Apple computer to a cheap Windows PC, instead of comparing an Apple computer to a Windows PC that costs as much.
Did you buy comparably priced Windows PC or just t... (show quote)


Absolutely true! And when you do that, new users and recent college grads prefer Macs.

The PC market is a race to the bottom of the pond... Apple makes more profit on Macs than the next several computer makers combined. Even IBM has recognized the long-term cost of ownership is much lower than with Windows systems — $535 less over four years! It's all in the training and support costs...

http://www.computerworld.com/article/3131906/apple-mac/ibm-says-macs-are-even-cheaper-to-run-than-it-thought.html

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Aug 5, 2017 17:57:17   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
JoAnneK01 wrote:
As an apple user and an owner of a MacBook Pro 15' you might try using photo which come with your laptop. It does a good job in processing. I also have both Luminar and Affinity. The learning curve is fairly easy with both. I was looking at Photoshop and found the learning curve to be quite long. Also, with photoshop you can't purchase the software you can only rent it which is something I prefer not to do.


We old-timers like to say that Photoshop has a 29 year learning curve... They keep rearranging the deck chairs (menus), adding little features, taking others out, and improving workflow. And Lightroom has greatly reduced the need to spend time in Photoshop. So it takes time to remember how Ps works, every time I load it!

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Aug 5, 2017 18:21:03   #
skh1454
 
UTMike wrote:
I am a newbie (Although an old retired guy) with a Nikon D80 (more camera than I can master right now) and I just bought a 15-inch MacBook Pro. What photo editing program would you recommend?


I would start simple. Try Mac Photos as one person suggested and see how you like it. You should also download Nikon Capture-D and its browser, View NX-i -- both are free from Nikon. Capture-D is a RAW converter with basic photo editing capability, but it is surprisingly good for free software. It is basically a dumbed-down version of the old Nikon NX2 software that used to cost about $140.

Once you get some experience in the basics, you can then decide whether you need more, and if so will have a better idea on what you need and what you are willing to pay for.

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Aug 5, 2017 18:26:35   #
whitewolfowner
 
Get and learn on the best and you'll never look back. Lightroom 6 from B & H for $142.95; a one time payment and you own it for life; no extortion fees making monthly payments.

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Aug 5, 2017 21:28:02   #
radiojohn
 
I am surprised that I am seeing the same tired Mac/PC debate here. It's certainly valid to discuss the relative merits of apps for each platform, but this hardware bickering gets nowhere.

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Aug 5, 2017 21:47:23   #
Satman Loc: Indy
 
radiojohn wrote:
I am surprised that I am seeing the same tired Mac/PC debate here. It's certainly valid to discuss the relative merits of apps for each platform, but this hardware bickering gets nowhere.


I only seen one PC/Mac attack, and it was pretty civil, and had some good points, want a better PC just put better components in there, you will find Mac's are getting cheaper also.

I remember the old Trash-80 Rat Shacks..,and the Atari days..Commodore etc.,

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