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Aug 5, 2017 08:30:21   #
jbk224 Loc: Long Island, NY
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
If you are in the main editing section of PS Elements, you want to do "save as." Here's how:

https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop-elements/using/saving-exporting-images.html

If you are still in the raw editor section (ACR), click OPEN. That will take you to the main section for more editing and/or "save as" option.


Linda, you are the best! I have been following topics for a while now and rarely comment. The problem that I see, in many but not all cases, is that when someone asks for help, they get far ranging (and not to the point) answers. Most are no help at all. Change your editor...get a new camera...trick the editor......
Your answer is to the point. All of us have different views, use different cameras and editors. There is a time and place to discuss these things; but not when someone asks a question like this and is looking for a simple, if available, solution.

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Aug 5, 2017 09:09:30   #
Jim Plogger Loc: East Tennessee
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
If you are in the main editing section of PS Elements, you want to do "save as." Here's how:

https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop-elements/using/saving-exporting-images.html

If you are still in the raw editor section (ACR), click OPEN. That will take you to the main section for more editing and/or "save as" option.


Finally the correct answer. So very simple!

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Aug 5, 2017 09:36:37   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
ebcobol wrote:
I am new to processing nef photos. I am using elements 15 raw import to produce photos that I believe are far better then the jpegs. However I find that the results are dng files. Most contests require jpeg, jpg files. When I attempt to copy the dng to jpeg I get the original version which makes sense since the raw files are jpegs except without the conversion? I also have lightroom but I haven't tried raw processing since I believe I will get the same problem? I


I use Elements 14 and when I finish RAW processing I open them in the Editor for additional tweaking if needed before saving them to PSD's in their version sets with their originals in the Organizer. Then in the Organizer I can Save as New files in JPEG or TIFF or many other of the available formats and save them to a different location - folder, drive, whatever - as needed.

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Aug 5, 2017 09:36:38   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
jpintn wrote:
Finally the correct answer. So very simple!


LOL, it's just because I use Elements But thank you!

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Aug 5, 2017 09:59:37   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
With all due respect, you do not seem to understand RAW editing very well and you sound as someone relatively new to photography. Honestly, you should not be engaged in editing RAW files till you are more experienced.
All files start as RAW, including JPEG. The difference is that when assigning the camera to shoot JPEG files the firmware of the camera modifies the file and compress it. RAW can also be compressed but the image suffers no modifications by the camera except for the compression.
You believe RAW images are far better than JPEG. Yes, RAW files have more information because it is the raw image from the sensor but try comparing one RAW file against a JPEG image shot with the same camera and same lens and tell me if you see the differences. I bet you will not be able to tell the difference.
I shoot both files depending on the subject. I have many beautiful enlargements made from original JPEG images. Modern JPEG files are excellent in quality and they are no plagued with the artifacts they used to have in the past. If originals are saved as TIFF now those files are lossless and you can work with the original as many times as you want without deterioration of the image.
I do not know what camera you are using but all modern cameras are capable of excellent JPEG images.
If you have to ask about editing RAW files that only tells me you do not have yet the expertise to work with those files.
Respectfully submitted.

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Aug 5, 2017 10:31:07   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
LOL, it's just because I use Elements But thank you!


Linda, you are the best. LOL You really do give advise that is to the point.

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Aug 5, 2017 10:34:09   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
After you have imported the NEF file, using PSE's ACR, you process the image in PSE and want to save it, you should select the Save As selection. That will allow you to save your work as a .jpg.
--Bob
ebcobol wrote:
I am new to processing nef photos. I am using elements 15 raw import to produce photos that I believe are far better then the jpegs. However I find that the results are dng files. Most contests require jpeg, jpg files. When I attempt to copy the dng to jpeg I get the original version which makes sense since the raw files are jpegs except without the conversion? I also have lightroom but I haven't tried raw processing since I believe I will get the same problem? I

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Aug 5, 2017 10:55:22   #
jackpinoh Loc: Kettering, OH 45419
 
ebcobol wrote:
I am new to processing nef photos. I am using elements 15 raw import to produce photos that I believe are far better then the jpegs. However I find that the results are dng files. Most contests require jpeg, jpg files. When I attempt to copy the dng to jpeg I get the original version which makes sense since the raw files are jpegs except without the conversion? I also have lightroom but I haven't tried raw processing since I believe I will get the same problem? I

You need to export your processed files as JPEGS.

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Aug 5, 2017 11:12:10   #
SusanFromVermont Loc: Southwest corner of Vermont
 
ebcobol wrote:
I am new to processing nef photos. I am using elements 15 raw import to produce photos that I believe are far better then the jpegs. However I find that the results are dng files. Most contests require jpeg, jpg files. When I attempt to copy the dng to jpeg I get the original version which makes sense since the raw files are jpegs except without the conversion? I also have lightroom but I haven't tried raw processing since I believe I will get the same problem? I

I am glad Linda was able to provide a clear response to your question. Elements is something I have not used for years, so I could not help!

However, I do want to comment on processing NEF photos. Whether you take your photos in JPG or RAW, processing is basically the same. The difference comes into play when you want to do some "in depth" editing, because of the amount of information in each type of image file. RAW allows more editing without compromising image quality than you can do with a JPG. So do not worry about processing NEF photos! Just be glad you are taking them as RAW files, because as you progress in editing skills, you may want to go back and re-edit. RAW allows this much more than JPG. RAW files are like a film negative - the original - that during developing can be adjusted in different ways. Then if you want to try something different, you go back to the same original and make those adjustments!

When you decide to begin using LR, you will find that you will always have an NEF file until you export. LR does not have a "Save As" option! You can make changes directly on the original file or on a "virtual copy". The original is recoverable by hitting the "Reset" button in the Develop Module. Some prefer to make a virtual copy and work on that.

The LR export dialogue lets you choose a format without affecting the original RAW file. I prefer TIFF because not only does it retain all the original information, it also shows up as an actual image in the folder on my hard drive, not as an .xmp "sidecar" or represented by a DNG or PSD icon. It also allows you to change some other parameters for different purposes. For instance, email and social media it is better to use a smaller file size, whereas for contests you will want to retain all the information in the file which makes it larger. Also in email and social media, I like to put a watermark on my photos, which can be added in the export dialogue. LR is a powerful cataloging system, as well as an excellent editing program, with the actual image files residing in their folder on your hard drive. By going through LR to make changes, this maintains the connection between LR and the images. This may be one of the hardest things for some to understand!

You can set up whatever system you want for organizing the LR Catalog, and changes will automatically show up the same in the folder on your HD. In addition to my topics, subjects, and dates folders/sub-folders, I keep a folder for "Watermarks". The images in this folder can also be divided up by different types and/or sizes! This makes it easier to find the smaller file sizes I use for sharing. It can also contain a sub-folder for your larger .JPG's without a watermark for contests.

LR also works seamlessly with PS, as well as various plug-ins.

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Aug 5, 2017 11:37:21   #
wteffey Loc: Ocala, FL USA
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
If you are in the main editing section of PS Elements, you want to do "save as." Here's how:

https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop-elements/using/saving-exporting-images.html

If you are still in the raw editor section (ACR), click OPEN. That will take you to the main section for more editing and/or "save as" option.


Perfect answer! Disregard all the other comments. Either they have never used Elements or just like to express their lack of knowledge. Kudos to Linda.

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Aug 5, 2017 13:53:51   #
photoman022 Loc: Manchester CT USA
 
I use PSE 14. In your Elements "File" there is the "Save As" option. When you "Save As" be sure to select JPEG. I don't save in DNG but I assume that you can open the DNG file and "Save As" a JPEG. If you are using layers, be sure to combine the layers (I use "Flatten Layers" option -- don't ask me why, because I don't know! It's because of something I read a long time ago -- when I used PSE 9).

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Aug 5, 2017 14:43:01   #
SusanFromVermont Loc: Southwest corner of Vermont
 
photoman022 wrote:
I use PSE 14. In your Elements "File" there is the "Save As" option. When you "Save As" be sure to select JPEG. I don't save in DNG but I assume that you can open the DNG file and "Save As" a JPEG. If you are using layers, be sure to combine the layers (I use "Flatten Layers" option -- don't ask me why, because I don't know! It's because of something I read a long time ago -- when I used PSE 9).

When you flatten the layers, you condense the image. This reduces the file size. But unless you save a copy with all layers intact, you will not be able to go back and re-edit the original. I very seldom flatten layers.

Here is a quote from the PS Online Users Guide:

"Flatten all layers:

Flattening reduces file size by merging all visible layers into the background and discarding hidden layers. Any transparent areas that remain are filled with white. When you save a flattened image, you cannot revert back to the unflattened state; the layers are permanently merged.

Note: Converting an image between some color modes flattens the file. Save a copy of your file with all layers intact if you want to edit the original image after the conversion."

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Aug 5, 2017 14:45:00   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
That's my method. I save the psd (PS) file then apply color profile, then resize as needed, finally save as .jpg. I always have the psd file available for rework, etc.
--Bob
SusanFromVermont wrote:
When you flatten the layers, you condense the image. This reduces the file size. But unless you save a copy with all layers intact, you will not be able to go back and re-edit the original. I very seldom flatten layers.

Here is a quote from the PS Online Users Guide:

"Flatten all layers:

Flattening reduces file size by merging all visible layers into the background and discarding hidden layers. Any transparent areas that remain are filled with white. When you save a flattened image, you cannot revert back to the unflattened state; the layers are permanently merged.

Note: Converting an image between some color modes flattens the file. Save a copy of your file with all layers intact if you want to edit the original image after the conversion."
When you flatten the layers, you condense the imag... (show quote)

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Aug 5, 2017 14:51:29   #
SusanFromVermont Loc: Southwest corner of Vermont
 
rmalarz wrote:
That's my method. I save the psd (PS) file then apply color profile, then resize as needed, finally save as .jpg. I always have the psd file available for rework, etc.
--Bob

I had to speak up! Photoman was giving advice about flattening layers, when he didn't even know why he did it... Probably did not understand the consequences, either.
---Susan

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Aug 5, 2017 15:50:32   #
Mundj Loc: Richmond TX
 
ebcobol wrote:
I am new to processing nef photos. I am using elements 15 raw import to produce photos that I believe are far better then the jpegs. However I find that the results are dng files. Most contests require jpeg, jpg files. When I attempt to copy the dng to jpeg I get the original version which makes sense since the raw files are jpegs except without the conversion? I also have lightroom but I haven't tried raw processing since I believe I will get the same problem? I


I checked the online version of the PsE manual and chapter 12 describes on how to save your edited file in jpg and other versions. I would suggest first saving your edited file in the DNG format then resizing it as needed and then save as a JPG file per chapter 12. Keeping the original as a DNG file will allow you to re-edit later. Saving as a JPG will "bake in" your changes.

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