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Jul 26, 2017 13:01:43   #
toughmandave Loc: The Villages, Florida
 
Absolutely get LR cc/Photoshop for the $9.95 per month. LR 6 does not have all the features that LR cc has - For example "Dehaze" is not in LR 6 but it is in LR cc, etc, etc,. Furthermore LR 6 will never be upgraded as new improvements are made to LR.

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Jul 26, 2017 13:36:33   #
jackpinoh Loc: Kettering, OH 45419
 
Kent111 wrote:
Is it really worth it to pay the monthly charges and can i load it on more than one iMac or PC? Thanks in advance appreciate your advice you pro's i respect you. 👍 😀

Whether it is worth it depends on the buyer's needs and desire to catalog his images and post process them to improve the final image quality. Most people that are new to post processing will use Lightroom for a year or more learning how to use it effectively before they ever start with Photoshop.

1. If you don't shoot RAW, you probably don't need Lightroom or Photoshop. Photoshop Elements will do everything you need.

2. Lightroom will satisfy 95% of even professional photographers' needs. For photographers, Photoshop is mostly for selecting specific objects in the image to modify in isolation, move, or remove. (Some of this can be done in Lightroom.) Photoshop is also necessary for advanced image modifications based on luminosity mapping.

3. Adobe permits use of their products on two computers at a time. Adobe keeps track. If you load it on a third computer, when you try to use it you will get a message asking if you want to stop using it on your other computers.

4. The biggest value of the subscription (Lightroom CC) is that updates are immediately available for new cameras and lenses, and for new image processing features that Adobe frequently releases. Updates to Lightroom 6 (non-subscription purchase) are released less frequently and may not include selected features.

5. I think a better option for beginners than Lightroom 6 or Lightroom CC is Photoshop Elements. It is less expensive, does most of what you would do in Lightroom and Photoshop, and is easier to learn. Once you have used it for some time and find that it does not offer the more advanced capabilities you need and want, you can move up to Lightroom/Photoshop.

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Jul 26, 2017 14:01:55   #
DGStinner Loc: New Jersey
 
amfoto1 wrote:
Lightroom CC and Photoshop CC are sold via subscription only.... $10 a month WHEN YOU PREPAY A YEAR (i.e., $120).

Lightroom 6 is almost identical to Lightroom CC, except LR6 is sold as an outright, perpetual licensed product, for one payment of $142. This license allows a single user to install the s'ware on up to three computers.

Don't know if it's still available, but at one time LR6 was offered for $99 upgrade to licensed users of LR5 or LR4. This was the first time an LR upgrade was offered and supposedly was "single user, single computer" (even though I bought this way, my license shows multiple computers okay).

So, assuming you are only interested in using Lightroom: If you pay $142 for LR6 after 14 months you're using LR6 "for free" from then on. But if you instead subscribe to LR CC, by month 14 you would already have had to make another $120 payment to "rent it" for a second year, so will be $240 out of pocket and will have to pay another $120 every year, ad infinitum (unless Adobe decides to increase the rent).

From my own experience with them for many years, when using both LR and PS and keeping them reasonably up to date with regular upgrades... it works out to cost about the same to subscribe as it did to upgrade every three years (i.e., approx. $360 every 3 years, which is approx. how often I upgraded).... EXCEPT that PS is no longer available other than via subscription! The INITIAL purchase of Photoshop was quite pricey... $500 or so the first time I bought it, which increased over the years to around $650 with the last version (CS6), if memory serves. But after that first purchase, PS UPGRADES were much lower cost... around $200 to $250. I did a number of those over the years, using PS since version 4 in the mid-1990s.

For a lot of people who don't need full blown LR and PS, for only $70 right now (on sale) Adobe Elements 15 makes a lot more sense. It's a lot more geared for non-professionals.
Lightroom CC and Photoshop CC are sold via subscri... (show quote)

Not entirely true. I've had the photography package for a few years now and I've never had to prepay the entire year. If you cancel before the year is up, then you do have to pay for the remainder of the year.

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Jul 26, 2017 14:26:56   #
mainshipper Loc: Hernando, Florida
 
jackpinoh wrote:
Whether it is worth it depends on the buyer's needs and desire to catalog his images and post process them to improve the final image quality. Most people that are new to post processing will use Lightroom for a year or more learning how to use it effectively before they ever start with Photoshop.

1. If you don't shoot RAW, you probably don't need Lightroom or Photoshop. Photoshop Elements will do everything you need.

2. Lightroom will satisfy 95% of even professional photographers' needs. For photographers, Photoshop is mostly for selecting specific objects in the image to modify in isolation, move, or remove. (Some of this can be done in Lightroom.) Photoshop is also necessary for advanced image modifications based on luminosity mapping.

3. Adobe permits use of their products on two computers at a time. Adobe keeps track. If you load it on a third computer, when you try to use it you will get a message asking if you want to stop using it on your other computers.

4. The biggest value of the subscription (Lightroom CC) is that updates are immediately available for new cameras and lenses, and for new image processing features that Adobe frequently releases. Updates to Lightroom 6 (non-subscription purchase) are released less frequently and may not include selected features.

5. I think a better option for beginners than Lightroom 6 or Lightroom CC is Photoshop Elements. It is less expensive, does most of what you would do in Lightroom and Photoshop, and is easier to learn. Once you have used it for some time and find that it does not offer the more advanced capabilities you need and want, you can move up to Lightroom/Photoshop.
Whether it is worth it depends on the buyer's need... (show quote)


Well stated. Hopefully a logical and factual explanation such as this will put a fork in these endless discussions on Lightroom and the CC subscription program.

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Jul 26, 2017 15:04:12   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
I say that it is ABSOLUTELY worth it for me. You get the latest versions of Lightroom and Photoshop for 10 bucks a month, along with some other software. Anyone who thinks that is too much need not participate. IMHO, it is the best software for serious work, bar none. YMMV!

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Jul 26, 2017 16:21:32   #
Base_fiddle
 
[quote=Kent111]Is it really worth it to pay the monthly charges...

A lot of the HH have given great reasons for spending 9.99 a month for a subscription, especially if you use PS.

Here’s another perspective. A lot of these HHs are very seasoned and knowledgeable photographers. They know what they are doing in terms of camera settings and editing work. They probably do a lot more photography than I ever did and may have had different reasons for doing it. I’m sure that for them, 9.99 is an easy answer.

But my response is based on my history. I bought LR 1.0 maybe 10 years ago and eventually got to LR 3.0. Because I worked roughly 60 hours a week, I never had time to take pictures let alone editing them. I many photographed vacations and family get-togethers. I didn’t begin focusing on catalogs and editing until I retired. By then I had thousands of pictures either in 35mm format or digital. But I still knew little to nothing about LR. It wasn’t until this year that I finally decided to do something with all the pictures that I’ve taken. That’s when I joined the group and started reading more about my cameras and LR. I’m clearly in the learning phase.

I don’t know how long that phase will last, but I know that I am confident that buying my stand-alone version of LR6+ was worth what I needed it for. I can’t do all the glitzy things that others can do, but I can learn. Maybe when I get “dangerous” and know what I’m doing, going to the Internet version might be worthwhile. Time will tell.

For now, decide what you want to do with LR and then decide if you need the monthly expense or can accomplish what you want to with the stand-alone version.

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Jul 26, 2017 17:39:57   #
CPR Loc: Nature Coast of Florida
 
A number of folks talk about the past and not needing PS or LR or any other PP software. I have spent a lot of time and effort using PS on photos taken between 1910 and 1947. Even a few from the Civil War era. Many shots taken in the 60's and 70's with a Kodak or with slide film have spent time in my PS desk. The point being you just don't know what may come up next and having LR/PS available is good.
Here's a sample:



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Jul 26, 2017 17:56:56   #
Base_fiddle
 
[quote=CPR]A number of folks talk about the past...

Well said. Your work shows that you know what you are doing...any you do a very fine job at it. My skills aren't even in the same arena which is why I can't focus on PS now...even though I bought PS over ten years ago and never really used it. As soon as LR came out, I gave up trying to learn PS and used what time I had with LR.

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Jul 26, 2017 18:58:08   #
fantom Loc: Colorado
 
Kent111 wrote:
Is it really worth it to pay the monthly charges and can i load it on more than one iMac or PC? Thanks in advance appreciate your advice you pro's i respect you. 👍 😀


It is a very good deal at ten bucks per month. You can load it on more than one computer, you get constant (tho annoying updates) and you get both PS and LR. It is a no brainer----unless the $10/mo is a hardship.

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Jul 26, 2017 19:08:08   #
sodapop Loc: Bel Air, MD
 
Great job. I have had success restoring photos and could not have done it without PS. Thanks for sharing this.

CPR wrote:
A number of folks talk about the past and not needing PS or LR or any other PP software. I have spent a lot of time and effort using PS on photos taken between 1910 and 1947. Even a few from the Civil War era. Many shots taken in the 60's and 70's with a Kodak or with slide film have spent time in my PS desk. The point being you just don't know what may come up next and having LR/PS available is good.
Here's a sample:

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Jul 26, 2017 22:27:00   #
rcdovala
 
Can you tell me how it is that you have Adobe's software loaded on three devices when the contract only allows installing on two devices? Might it be that you have Photoshop Express rather than Photoshop loaded on your iPad?

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Jul 26, 2017 22:32:25   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
rcdovala wrote:
Can you tell me how it is that you have Adobe's software loaded on three devices when the contract only allows installing on two devices? Might it be that you have Photoshop Express rather than Photoshop loaded on your iPad?


You can LOAD on multiple machines but only use on two at a time. You do this by logging in and logging out. Best of luck.

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Jul 27, 2017 00:46:04   #
Neilhunt
 
It's basically the same cost as an annual upgrade for LR and much less than an annual upgrade for LR/PS (you get both with CC).
And you get mobile - which used to be a toy, but is now on the verge of being quite useful.
And features like de-haze are only in CC.

We probably spend more on every other aspect of our hobby (cameras, lenses, new batteries, cards, travel, etc.)...

And some signal of commitment for supporting the product helps make sure Adobe doesn't stop updating it.
And face it, if all your old LR edits became obsolete in 5 years, you'd be pretty upset.

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Jul 27, 2017 02:43:16   #
warrenrowephotography Loc: Kempner, TX
 
Kent111 wrote:
Is it really worth it to pay the monthly charges and can i load it on more than one iMac or PC? Thanks in advance appreciate your advice you pro's i respect you. 👍 😀


For me it is definitely worth it. I have both Photoshop and Lightroom CC, and getting the updates for free is sweet. I use mostly Lightroom but occasionally use Photoshop for certain things. Also, I use the mobile version of Lightroom...a very nice thing to have!

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Jul 27, 2017 03:46:35   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
Kent111 wrote:
Is it really worth it to pay the monthly charges and can i load it on more than one iMac or PC? Thanks in advance appreciate your advice you pro's i respect you. 👍 😀


According to my discussions with Adobe you can install and use each of their products on up to three devices. So, you should de-activate or cancel old Adobe accounts on devices before you dispose of them, recycle, or give away.

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