Hillary Lost... right? It's time for the GOP to #MAGA! Why are you waiting? (Page 6): Here's a fact: under Obama, actual budgets were few and far between. The country ran mostly on...

Big Bill Loc: Phoenix, AZ

dirtpusher wrote:

An as in similar situations we had to spend our way out of a recession each time. Even under your hero raygun.

Here a nutter fact.

Congress present the budget .

Now WHO spends the money. The president or Congress. I'll be waiting to hear this one.

Here's a fact: under Obama, actual budgets were few and far between. The country ran mostly on continuing spending bills. Were you even around while Obama was president?
As to who spends the money, Obama, like Bush, rarely saw a spending bill he didn't sign. Spending bills originate in the House, but must be approved by the Senate before they go the the president to sign. Basic civics.

Big Bill Loc: Phoenix, AZ

ArtzDarkroom wrote:

I'm sure the expense of our ill conceived war had nothing to do with that $20T?

Obama, as President, was Commander in Chief, and could have stopped the wars any time. Single handedly.
In fact, he did stop the war in Iraq (at least our participation.) That went well, didn't it?

DaveO Loc: Northeast CT

Big Bill wrote:

So, now2\, when faced with facts, there was actually a deficit?
Obama signed the spending bills, regardless of any rationalizing for why the House and Democrat controlled senate sent them to him. And many of those spending bills, while legally started in the House, actually came from the White House. or were instead spending increases by administration-controlled agencies.
Obama was far from the wonder worker you seem to think he was.

You have no idea how I feel about Obama. My feelings demonstrate how I feel with regard to those who ramble on without recognizing the mitigating factors.
Take this little list and decipher it. See who was in charge of Congress. See what actually contributed to the spending. At the same time see how budgets are formulated and who ultimately influences it. Put your political bias aside and check things out. Things are not as cut and dried as you apparently believe.

Pay particular attention to the ranking of the presidents and who controlled Congress, coupled with some knowledge of so called abnormal influences. Certainly there are multiple sources to get the gist of things.

http://www.therichest.com/rich-list/the-biggest/the-top-10-biggest-spending-presidents/

DaveO Loc: Northeast CT

Big Bill wrote:

Obama, as President, was Commander in Chief, and could have stopped the wars any time. Single handedly.
In fact, he did stop the war in Iraq (at least our participation.) That went well, didn't it?

Your political bias is making you look quite foolish.

dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma

Big Bill wrote:

So, now2\, when faced with facts, there was actually a deficit?
Obama signed the spending bills, regardless of any rationalizing for why the House and Democrat controlled senate sent them to him. And many of those spending bills, while legally started in the House, actually came from the White House. or were instead spending increases by administration-controlled agencies.
Obama was far from the wonder worker you seem to think he was.

Who approves the bills being signed. Who actually spends the money.

dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma

DaveO wrote:

Your political bias is making you look quite foolish.

He looks foolish everyday

Big Bill Loc: Phoenix, AZ

DaveO wrote:

You have no idea how I feel about Obama. My feeli... (show quote)

You missed the point.
Obama, like most presidents, spends a lot of money that never goes through congress,and is spent by agencies that report to the president, and no one else.. The money that does go through congress is approved by the president.
It doesn't matter who the president is, this is true.
Obama was president. Deal with it.

Big Bill Loc: Phoenix, AZ

DaveO wrote:

Your political bias is making you look quite foolish.

So you're saying that what I said isn't true?
Let's look at what I said:
"Obama, as President, was Commander in Chief, and could have stopped the wars any time. Single handedly.
In fact, he did stop the war in Iraq (at least our participation.) That went well, didn't it?"

What part of that shows bias, exactly?
While it's true that he inherited a nasty situation, how he handled it was entirely on him.

Big Bill Loc: Phoenix, AZ

dirtpusher wrote:

Who approves the bills being signed. Who actually spends the money.

If the president signs a bill, he approves it. If he vetoes a bill, and it's overridden, then congress has that honor.
The money is spent by whoever the bill gives the money to. Whether it's the Pentagon, the VA, or whoever, those are the agencies who actually spend it.
Your employer doesn't spend the money you get as pay.

Big Bill Loc: Phoenix, AZ

dirtpusher wrote:

He looks foolish everyday

From you, that's a compliment.

dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma

Big Bill wrote:

If the president signs a bill, he approves it. If he vetoes a bill, and it's overridden, then congress has that honor.
The money is spent by whoever the bill gives the money to. Whether it's the Pentagon, the VA, or whoever, those are the agencies who actually spend it.
Your employer doesn't spend the money you get as pay.

Lol you a trip bill. I love that last one. Lol

No shit.

dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma

Big Bill wrote:

You missed the point.
Obama, like most presidents, spends a lot of money that never goes through congress,and is spent by agencies that report to the president, and no one else.. The money that does go through congress is approved by the president.
It doesn't matter who the president is, this is true.
Obama was president. Deal with it.

What you are trying to ignore. Most bammers money went to bailing out the country after you hero trashed it.

DaveO Loc: Northeast CT

[quote=Big Bill]So you're saying that what I said isn't true?

No, what I specifically said was "Your political bias is making you look quite foolish."
State a fact and look no further. It makes you feel safe and you need not feel responsible to investigate other pertinent or surrounding facts. Bias does that for you! Easy peasey!

FACT: I slapped my friend in the side of the head with a yardstick!

FACT: My friend was pleased that the dog who was biting his ear let go when I swung the yardstick.