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Jul 22, 2017 16:32:45   #
Marionsho Loc: Kansas
 
wteffey wrote:
Two wildly divergent opinions on this. Interesting. One note: A good photograph never screams "He/she used AUTO. Shame!!" No one will know if you don't tell.


Very true.
I think Miss Laurie is wanting to use M in an effort to learn to use M. We all had to, or should have, when we were learning the ropes.

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Jul 22, 2017 16:37:48   #
Marionsho Loc: Kansas
 
Szalajj wrote:
I've attended numerous hot air balloon rallies in the past.

The advise to set your shutter speed fast enough to eliminate blur is a really good suggestion.

Setting your F-stop to obtain a good depth of field is really important.

This brings you to your last and important triangulation setting, your ISO. You don't want to go too high, or you'll end up with a lot of noise or grain in your shots.

DON'T FORGET TO CHECK YOUR WHITE BALANCE SETTING!!!

To optimize the exposure triangle, I usually shoot in manual.

Start with your f-stop at full open, your ISO set between 100 & 400, and your shutter speed around 500 if you're over exposed, move your f-stop to a higher number, if it's still over exposed then up your shutter speed.

If you're under exposed, increase your ISO, but know your camera's limitations up to where you you can shoot without noticeable noise or grain. Run some test shots before you head out to the hot air balloon rally. Shoot some sky and cloud shots as a test at different ISO settings in close succession then view them on your computer, and make sure that you enlarge the test shots and really study the actual quality of the results. You will find that there is a definitive point where the quality will go from good, to poor, to unacceptable. Note those changes and what those ISO settings were.

The angle of the sun to your subject is key to getting spectacular, colorful, sharp shots. Try to avoid shooting into the sun, because you'll lose the spectacular colors of the Balloon envelopes. If you shoot from the correct angles, there should almost be a glow or shine coming off of the envelopes.

Believe me when I say that I've blown through tons of rolls of film in days gone by, only to be disappointed with most of my shots. Since going digital, I haven't had a chance to go back to my mon's hometown to shoot their rally again.

For practice, see if you can team up with someone flying a kite and practice getting shots of a colorful kite. You'll experience a moving object, changing or shifting lighting conditions, and having to adjusting your focal lengths if you're using adjusting telephoto or zoom lens.

If you plan on shooting the inflations, see how close you can get, and shoot into an envelope as they're inflating it, especially when they fire up the burners to heat the air, as the Balloon moves from horizontal to vertical. That part goes really quickly, so you might want to set your camera for continuous shooting, and be ready to get out of the way in a hurry as more and more balloons stand upright. There are guide ropes attached to the top of many balloons to keep them from swaying widely upon standing up. Others have ropes attached to the baskets to help keep them near or on the ground before flights, or to help guide them during landings.

At one rally in ME years ago, I was the only person to be able to grab a rope and run with it away from a line of trees to get the basket to a safe landing zone away from sharp branches that would have damaged the envelope and taken it out of service for a few weeks while it was sent out for repairs.

Choose your lenses for this outing wisely. If you're on the field for the inflations, you want a shorter lens. If your're going to be shooting from a distance, and shooting the take off and flights you want a mid-range zoom. If you're going to be chasing a particular balloon, you will want a designated driver, a longer zoom, and a good set of detailed maps of the area. You'll be surprised at how many back roads you didn't know about in the area when you choose to chase a balloon.

It's fun to shoot the landing, the process of deflation, and packing up of the envelope. Traditionally, there is a Champaign Toast to clear skies and gentle breezes once everything is back on the trailer or loaded into the van or onto the truck.
I've attended numerous hot air balloon rallies in ... (show quote)

Szalajj, what a well thought out and written reply. About the only thing you left out was the metering mode. Spot? Evaluative? (Matrix in Nikon speak) Center Weighted Average? What's the other one? Did you leave it in one mode, or did you change it around?
Thanks in advance,
Marion

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Jul 22, 2017 19:46:47   #
fotoman150
 
wteffey wrote:
Two wildly divergent opinions on this. Interesting. One note: A good photograph never screams "He/she used AUTO. Shame!!" No one will know if you don't tell.



There are times to use program. I still use it occasionally. But I'm trying to get her to understand her camera in the best way to do that is to take it off of program.

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Jul 22, 2017 21:00:49   #
Anandnra Loc: Tennessee
 
Laurie16 wrote:
I would be taking pics mostly at dusk and dawn and possibly during the daytime, I have a D3400 with 77mm to 300mm lens and 18mm to 50mm lens.


I'll PM you a link to an album and you can see what results I have and see the metadata for each frame. You'll see that I have used a wide range of varying settings. The shoot was at daybreak in Kapadokya, Turkey.

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Jul 22, 2017 21:08:40   #
BHC Loc: Strawberry Valley, JF, USA
 
Szalajj wrote:
I've attended numerous hot air balloon rallies in the past.

The advise to set your shutter speed fast enough to eliminate blur is a really good suggestion.

Setting your F-stop to obtain a good depth of field is really important.

This brings you to your last and important triangulation setting, your ISO. You don't want to go too high, or you'll end up with a lot of noise or grain in your shots.

DON'T FORGET TO CHECK YOUR WHITE BALANCE SETTING!!!

To optimize the exposure triangle, I usually shoot in manual.

Start with your f-stop at full open, your ISO set between 100 & 400, and your shutter speed around 500 if you're over exposed, move your f-stop to a higher number, if it's still over exposed then up your shutter speed.

If you're under exposed, increase your ISO, but know your camera's limitations up to where you you can shoot without noticeable noise or grain. Run some test shots before you head out to the hot air balloon rally. Shoot some sky and cloud shots as a test at different ISO settings in close succession then view them on your computer, and make sure that you enlarge the test shots and really study the actual quality of the results. You will find that there is a definitive point where the quality will go from good, to poor, to unacceptable. Note those changes and what those ISO settings were.

The angle of the sun to your subject is key to getting spectacular, colorful, sharp shots. Try to avoid shooting into the sun, because you'll lose the spectacular colors of the Balloon envelopes. If you shoot from the correct angles, there should almost be a glow or shine coming off of the envelopes.

Believe me when I say that I've blown through tons of rolls of film in days gone by, only to be disappointed with most of my shots. Since going digital, I haven't had a chance to go back to my mon's hometown to shoot their rally again.

For practice, see if you can team up with someone flying a kite and practice getting shots of a colorful kite. You'll experience a moving object, changing or shifting lighting conditions, and having to adjusting your focal lengths if you're using adjusting telephoto or zoom lens.

If you plan on shooting the inflations, see how close you can get, and shoot into an envelope as they're inflating it, especially when they fire up the burners to heat the air, as the Balloon moves from horizontal to vertical. That part goes really quickly, so you might want to set your camera for continuous shooting, and be ready to get out of the way in a hurry as more and more balloons stand upright. There are guide ropes attached to the top of many balloons to keep them from swaying widely upon standing up. Others have ropes attached to the baskets to help keep them near or on the ground before flights, or to help guide them during landings.

At one rally in ME years ago, I was the only person to be able to grab a rope and run with it away from a line of trees to get the basket to a safe landing zone away from sharp branches that would have damaged the envelope and taken it out of service for a few weeks while it was sent out for repairs.

Choose your lenses for this outing wisely. If you're on the field for the inflations, you want a shorter lens. If your're going to be shooting from a distance, and shooting the take off and flights you want a mid-range zoom. If you're going to be chasing a particular balloon, you will want a designated driver, a longer zoom, and a good set of detailed maps of the area. You'll be surprised at how many back roads you didn't know about in the area when you choose to chase a balloon.

It's fun to shoot the landing, the process of deflation, and packing up of the envelope. Traditionally, there is a Champaign Toast to clear skies and gentle breezes once everything is back on the trailer or loaded into the van or onto the truck.
I've attended numerous hot air balloon rallies in ... (show quote)

Outstanding advice. 👍👌

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Jul 22, 2017 21:48:43   #
spencerp
 
NO single setting will work because you are dealing with changing light and action. Be prepared to change settings on the fly. Enjoy the show


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Jul 22, 2017 21:50:34   #
TheDman Loc: USA
 
Set it to B for 'balloon'.

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Jul 22, 2017 21:51:25   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
Anyone who said shoot at a low ISO is way off base. The 70s film grain mindset is calling. When are you going to step into the 21st century and embrace the new technology of high ISO? It's what you are paying the big bucks for in your DSLR. Use it!

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Jul 22, 2017 21:55:55   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
This is the time to think shutter speed and depth of field. To maximize them, ISO Has to Rise!

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Jul 22, 2017 22:26:23   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
Fotoartist wrote:
Anyone who said shoot at a low ISO is way off base. The 70s film grain mindset is calling. When are you going to step into the 21st century and embrace the new technology of high ISO? It's what you are paying the big bucks for in your DSLR. Use it!



I enjoy and use my new technology to its fullest; however, what I learned from the film days still applies, and that is to use as low an ISO as you can to get whatever shot it is you want. Depending upon camera model, I sometimes go as high as 25k for ISO, but I much prefer 100 to 800 if that will work out for me. One of the best resources is the book Understanding Exposure by Peterson. Best of luck to all!

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Jul 22, 2017 23:23:56   #
ewforbess Loc: San Antonio, TX
 
They're not that fast, so bracket and chimp, adjust and repeat as necessary. Good luck -- post your results!!!

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Jul 22, 2017 23:53:35   #
Laurie16 Loc: Iowa
 
That is exactly how I will do it! It makes so much sense and will make it easier for me to adjust to Manual! Thank you!
jeep_daddy wrote:
Just put the camera in Auto and shoot. You'll get some fine pictures. No sense pulling your hair out trying to figure out manual settings because how creative can you get taking pictures of Hot Air Balloons.

But if you must play with manual settings, just mimic the settings you see when you shoot in any of the other modes. So if you take a picture in full auto and see that your settings are ISO 100, F4.5 and 1/200th of a sec, put the camera in M and use those exact settings. Then go back to one of the other camera modes and try something different and them back to M and mimic that again. You'll soon see a pattern on why M isn't really that much different than the other modes.
Just put the camera in Auto and shoot. You'll get... (show quote)

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Jul 23, 2017 00:12:38   #
Laurie16 Loc: Iowa
 
Pleases try to be nice, both of you have equally good or even great advice. It makes no sense to get into an argument.Thank you both for your advice!
Fotoartist wrote:
Let's see some of your balloon shots on "auto everything". Do you really think you are giving good advice?

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Jul 23, 2017 00:22:23   #
Laurie16 Loc: Iowa
 
I completely understand what you're saying and am sorry I couldn't give you guys more info. Yes you're right, I do not know how to control or manipulate my camera yet. I will definitely look into the book.Thank you for your advice!
martinfisherphoto wrote:
In this case I would suggest Auto for you. If you asking what settings to use and we have NOOOOOO ideal what the lighting conditions are or will be, than NOOOOO one can correctly answer your question. The fact that your asking implies you don't know how to use the camera in manual or how the camera actually works. I would suggest getting the book Understanding Exposure 3rd edition and learn about the exposure triangle. This knowledge will allow you to shoot in Any conditions. I'm guessing you'll get about 6 pages of suggestions which will leave you more confused than when you ask the question to start with.. Get the book and get a handle on how a camera works, you'll be happy you did.
In this case I would suggest Auto for you. If you ... (show quote)

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Jul 23, 2017 00:26:20   #
Laurie16 Loc: Iowa
 
Thank you for the advice, I will DEFINITELY. post!
ewforbess wrote:
They're not that fast, so bracket and chimp, adjust and repeat as necessary. Good luck -- post your results!!!

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