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Jul 10, 2017 18:25:49   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
bullethole wrote:
While I love lightroom adobe's subscription model ticks me off. Any suggestions for alternatives which include the catalog and organization capabilities as well as the develop functions. I have no need for photoshop at this time as I can handle all my PP activities from LR develop moduoe


I agree the catalog is great. Those who think otherwise seem to be missing the point. However, there are too points to consider. LR is not a photo finishing program, PS is. And the subscription model is just an easier way to pay for it for some. You can always send them a check once a year for $120 to pay for it instead of once a month if it really ticks you off. Or not - your choice. BTW, look at your software license - you'll discover that you own NOTHING, and you pay for the right to use it.

Two things stand out on the Lightroom 6 EULA (end user license agreement

2. Software License. If you obtained the Software from Adobe or one of its authorized licensees and as long as you comply with the terms of this agreement, Adobe grants you a non-exclusive license to use the Software in the manner and for the purposes described in the Documentation, as further set forth below. See Section 14 for specific provisions related to certain components.

3. Intellectual Property Ownership. The Software and any authorized copies that you make are the intellectual property of and are owned by Adobe Systems Incorporated and its suppliers.


So it's pretty clear you own nothing - so it is no different than renting, isn't it?

And this explains the benefits - which are mostly consistency, shorter development cycles, and considerably lower cost.

http://www.sunsouthlease.com/articles/commercialequipmentleasing/softwareleasingoptions.aspx

Those people who get ticked off by the subscription model just don't understand how it works and why it's better. Adobe has over 9,000,000 subscribers to their software, making a ton of money, and I for one am no longer spending a fortune keeping my Adobe titles current - so I LOVE the suscription model. The last full version Photoshop I bought cost me over $900, and I had to update it 18 months later and THAT cost me $150. It was a no-brainer for me to embrace the subscription model for PS and LR when the price settled down to $10/mo.

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Jul 10, 2017 19:11:47   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Kuzano wrote:
I dumped LR CC very soon. In my estimation the real problem with the Adobe products is the Catalog system. It does not work well. The import function breaks far too easily.


Nothing wrong with the import function nor the catalog - I have almost 200,000 pictures in it, about half of which were on my computer since 2000, and I have yet to experience even so much as a hiccup. It works flawlessly. Among other things, it has saved me hours searching, organizing and creating collections and viewing sets, and I have even set up a photo booth based on the watched auto import function and slide show. It's a great tool for professionals and serious enthusiasts.

Maybe you just haven't invested the time to learn it . . .

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Jul 10, 2017 19:12:58   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
blue-ultra wrote:
In my opinion, everything I've used in Lightroom works well!

Just a third opinion.


I do not understand why people are so opposed to the PS/LR model. its 9.95 a month. You get updates on a regular basis and to buy them as a stand alone is well over 900 bucks. and then you would have to pay for the updates every year. I you run into $$ problems you can cancel and the programs will continue to work you just would not have the updates. For my money these two programs are the best in the business for post processing our work.

Some folks smoke at the cost of close to 9 bucks a pack, other drink beer at the cost of around 10 buck a six pack. Heck just filling the gas tank on my truck cost me 30 to 40 bucks a week.

I don't dare talk about the cost of our equipment...

Gee, what is all the complaining about[/quote]



Some are just not content to be content - they always have to be complaining about something . . .

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Jul 10, 2017 19:19:38   #
Mac Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia now Hernando Co. Fl.
 
Most of the comments he's getting are, "I've been using it for years so you should love it".

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Jul 10, 2017 21:21:45   #
LarryFB Loc: Depends where our RV is parked
 
Mac wrote:
Most of the comments he's getting are, "I've been using it for years so you should love it".


I'm not sure you get what is really being said! What I believe is being said is two things:

1. If you learn to use it and spend the time necessary to understand how to use it, it just works great.

2. If you are a half-way serious photographer, or a strictly casual photographer who takes a lot of photos and want to find specific photos in your collection, it is worth the cost of a couple of Starbucks coffees, a pack or two of cigarettes, or a six pack or two a month, to pay for top notch software for your photos.

Yes, it takes some effort to learn the software, but, it is excellent and there are plenty of free and low cost resources available to teach you the software.

If you don't want to take the time to learn the software, any software, sell your computer, your digital camera, and go back to film and some sort of manual catalogue.

In reference to replies that claim you can cancel your CC subscription after a year and still have all the features of the Lightroom and PhotoShop, sorry, but you are wrong. When you stop your subscription, you lose Photoshop, and you also lose all the modules of Lightroom EXCEPT the Library.

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Jul 10, 2017 22:13:26   #
Mac Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia now Hernando Co. Fl.
 
LarryFB wrote:
I'm not sure you get what is really being said! What I believe is being said is two things:

1. If you learn to use it and spend the time necessary to understand how to use it, it just works great.

2. If you are a half-way serious photographer, or a strictly casual photographer who takes a lot of photos and want to find specific photos in your collection, it is worth the cost of a couple of Starbucks coffees, a pack or two of cigarettes, or a six pack or two a month, to pay for top notch software for your photos.

Yes, it takes some effort to learn the software, but, it is excellent and there are plenty of free and low cost resources available to teach you the software.

If you don't want to take the time to learn the software, any software, sell your computer, your digital camera, and go back to film and some sort of manual catalogue.

In reference to replies that claim you can cancel your CC subscription after a year and still have all the features of the Lightroom and PhotoShop, sorry, but you are wrong. When you stop your subscription, you lose Photoshop, and you also lose all the modules of Lightroom EXCEPT the Library.
I'm not sure you get what is really being said! Wh... (show quote)


Did you actually read his question? He asked for an alternative for Lightroom. He said he loved Lightroom, but his complaint was with the subscription method. Not that it was too complex or not any good. He asked for an alternative to Lightroom. Not for people to try to convince him to stay with LR because it is wonderful. He asked for an alternative to Lightroom.

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Jul 10, 2017 23:50:27   #
LarryFB Loc: Depends where our RV is parked
 
Mac wrote:
Did you actually read his question? He asked for an alternative for Lightroom. He said he loved Lightroom, but his complaint was with the subscription method. Not that it was too complex or not any good. He asked for an alternative to Lightroom. Not for people to try to convince him to stay with LR because it is wonderful. He asked for an alternative to Lightroom.


Yes I did, and after replying several times I fell into the trap of replying to some of the more recent comments, not the OP.

I cannot comment on alternatives to Lightroom, other than if he uses a Mac, consider using Photos. It comes with the operating system.

Perhaps I should have stopped there.

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Jul 11, 2017 05:27:49   #
mborn Loc: Massachusetts
 
LarryFB wrote:
I have used Lightroom CC for about 4 years and have over 30,000 photos in the catalog. I have never had a problem with the import function.

In my opinion, everything I've used in Lightroom works well!

Just a second opinion.


I agree When there is a problem with an import it was not LR fault but my error

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Jul 11, 2017 06:01:02   #
rayr
 
Lightzone for windows or mac, or as G Brown stated, I use Linux and Darktable is a fantastic program or take a look at Raw Therapee.

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Jul 11, 2017 06:05:45   #
mrova Loc: Chesterfield, VA
 
DrWilk wrote:
He said he didn't like Lightroom's subscription.


But you can buy it outright, can't you? That's what I've done.

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Jul 11, 2017 06:07:40   #
tcthome Loc: NJ
 
Lightroom 6 stand alone version. $150.00. You lose some features like the dehaze tool. You get some updates but, I believe its more like new cameras added & software bug fixes.

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Jul 11, 2017 06:15:03   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
bullethole wrote:
While I love lightroom adobe's subscription model ticks me off. Any suggestions for alternatives which include the catalog and organization capabilities as well as the develop functions. I have no need for photoshop at this time as I can handle all my PP activities from LR develop moduoe


I can understand your reluctance to get hooked into the monthly fee. In addition to cable, Amazon Prime, Netflix, and TiVo, I could also be paying about $100 more a more a month if I signed up for various TV services. Below are links to other processing programs.

Affinity
http://www.shutterbug.com/content/affinity-photo-software-review-has-photoshop-met-its-match#d1c5lY5EQ03QoLjh.97
http://www.diyphotography.net/affinity-photo-can-give-adobe-run-money/
Others
http://digital-photography-school.com/a-beginners-guide-to-choosing-the-right-post-production-software/
http://www.digitalcameraworld.com/2015/03/23/best-photo-editing-software-photoshop-cc-and-7-photoshop-alternatives-tested/1/
http://www.redmondpie.com/best-adobe-photoshop-alternatives-for-windows-and-mac-list/

For free -

http://www.download3.co/ic/picasa/index.php?kw=%2Bpicasa
http://fieldguide.gizmodo.com/the-best-photoshop-alternatives-that-are-totally-free-5974500
http://lightzoneproject.org/

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Jul 11, 2017 06:26:48   #
mainshipper Loc: Hernando, Florida
 
rehess wrote:
I virtually never purchase upgrades; I purchase what works for me and then use it.

I don't smoke or drink. My Ford Fiesta gets 40mpg on the open road. The most I've ever spent on a camera kit was the $700 I spent for a Canon EOS Elan kit that I then used for 11 years. Your argument might work in your world, but has no meaning in mine.


Let me guess, you're probably running Windows XP.

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Jul 11, 2017 06:33:20   #
Howard5252 Loc: New York / Florida (now)
 
[/quote]
I do not understand why people are so opposed to the PS/LR model. its 9.95 a month. You get updates on a regular basis and to buy them as a stand alone is well over 900 bucks... Some folks smoke at the cost of close to 9 bucks a pack, other drink beer at the cost of around 10 buck a six pack. Heck just filling the gas tank on my truck cost me 30 to 40 bucks a week. ...Gee, what is all the complaining about[/quote]

You are correct ... IF I bought everything alone it would cost several hundred dollars. The fault with your reasoning is that there is an excellent chance that I would not use everything. As for filling your gas tank for $30-40 per week and close to/ $9 for cigarettes; there was a time when those things didn't cost that much. I have a feeling that as time goes by, the cost for renting Adobe will go up ... everything does. That being said, there is no right answer, everyone decides what is best for themselves. I bought LR and have found that there are plenty of other companies that produce similar or better plug-ins (or standalone) units for things that I want and not available to me in LR. I get by quite nicely with LR, Elements, and a few programs from Topaz. BTW keep your eye on ON1.

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Jul 11, 2017 06:36:22   #
mainshipper Loc: Hernando, Florida
 
G Brown wrote:
Add a partition and upload Linux (any flavour) as a secondary operating system you could then use Darktable, (LR Replacement) UFRaw, (Raw Processor) Delaboratory (an advanced image processor that lists every action and each action can be removed individually if required) Gimp (A PSE alternative with more graphic options) etc all as open source freeware. And still keep your operating system of choice.

If you just want to download and catalogue your images then more simple programmes will do this on a calendar system or you could build an image system based on 'what or where or date' file names.

We had catalogues before LR.......people just had to rely on other post processing systems as well.

Have fun
Add a partition and upload Linux (any flavour) as ... (show quote)


If the OP is struggling with the Adobe subscription model he will probably have no idea what you are suggesting.

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