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Jun 21, 2017 14:22:10   #
speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho
 
j45 wrote:
i read on another forum that you pay monthly but you are buying it for a year, so you are obligated to 12 payments, I guess. So the B&H yearly package at minimum is good because its no sales tax although it isn't that much. 20-30% discount? Yeah, I can handle that.

No, you're not buying it for a year, although you do have that option, but you can lease on a monthly basis!

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Jun 21, 2017 14:23:00   #
salmander
 
bsprague wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_Photoshop_version_history


Thank you for the link. It's interesting to see features that would never be relevant to my amateur experience, desires, and expectations.

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Jun 21, 2017 14:23:27   #
j45 Loc: North Central CT
 
speters wrote:
No, you're not buying it for a year, although you do have that option, but you can lease on a monthly basis!


good to know, thanks!

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Jun 21, 2017 14:27:17   #
speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho
 
salmander wrote:
Does anyone know what the changes/improvements were made in Photoshop CC in the five generations since the (now free) Photoshop CS2 came out?
Yeah, you can fill a book listing all of them!

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Jun 21, 2017 14:33:13   #
sodapop Loc: Bel Air, MD
 
No one really uses all of the features of Photoshop just like no one uses all the features of an iPhone. There are some features for amateurs and some for experts. To me it is like a huge box of tools some of which are used all the time some never. They are all there just like names in a phone book. You only use the ones you want or need. Many do most of the develop work in Lightroom and use Photoshop for things like spot removal etc. (Far better at this than Lightroom). For 10 bucks you can't beat it..

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Jun 21, 2017 15:03:52   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
I've used every version of Photoshop from Photoshop 2.5 to Photoshop CS6. I would say that CS2 was one of my least favorites. CS 3 was much better. CS4 was another downer. CS5 was better but CS6 was the best till Photoshop CC.

I've been researching the improvements from CS6 to CC recently.
Here are the main ones:
Content aware Patch
Content aware Extend with scaling and rotation
Perspective Warp
Adobe Camera Raw Filter
Shake Reduction Filter
Better/faster masking and selection tools
Real time healing brush
Auto Content aware fill for pano stitches
Linked Smart Objects
Focus Mask
Better smart sharpen

I must say that these improvements seem worthwhile upgrading. But if you are advanced enough in CS6, I maintain you can find workarounds to achieve almost these same things without upgrading from CS6 to CC.

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Jun 21, 2017 15:10:27   #
jamesl Loc: Pennsylvania
 
whatdat wrote:
Trying to move my photography along from a beginner by taking a couple of classes through the informal class section at the local university (Univ. of Tx. at Austin. Hook'em Longhorns.) Anyway, one class will be about using Photoshop cs-6 or Photoshop CC. Have never used either one before. So, where and what is the best source,price wise, for purchasing the above? Also, need to know if either software program can be put on more than one computer, how many, and if it can be transferred to another computer if bought later. I have noticed on the internet that there can be 30 free trials on downloads; do they automatically cancel at the end of 30 days or automatically renew?
Also, any suggestions about computer capability specs to handle the software and my photos.
I know I have lots of questions, but figure I will be able to good some really good answers on UHH>
Thanks.
Trying to move my photography along from a beginne... (show quote)


Your cheapest route while going through the classes would probably be the $10/month Photoshop CC from Adobe. When the classes are finished you can either continue paying the $10/month to stay with Photoshop CC, or if you decide you don't want to continue paying monthly payments to use it, you can cancel the Photoshop CC and purchase a standalone program where you buy it and it is yours with no monthly fees. Perfectly good alternatives do exist, and work quite well. I generally suggest "Photoshop Elements" along with a $12 program called "Elements+" that adds additional Photoshop capabilities to "Photoshop Elements", or "Affinity Photo (Serif)" and there is also "Corel Paint Shop Pro". Any of the 3 alternatives would probably give you everything you would be likely to need in processing your photos. There are others to that are completely free that are also available. ON1 sells "ON1 Photo RAW" that is another good program but it doesn't have to looks or feel of Photoshop as much as the other 3 i mentioned. They are bery much like Photoshop in there processing.

As for the 30 free trials, they are a good way to go in order to what you like best. At the end of the free trials on most programs, they simply stop working after the 30 days unless you decide to buy or subscribe in the case of Photoshop CC.

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Jun 21, 2017 16:57:17   #
Kissel vonKeister Loc: Georgia
 
dcampbell52 wrote:
While I fell sorry for your choice of inferior colleges (I am a University of Oklahoma graduate and have been a Sooner with football, basketball baseball and softball tickets) so Boomer Sooner!! Having said that, You should be able to get the reduced cost Adobe photography package through the University for as long as you are enrolled. However, the Adobe Photography package is only $9.99 per month for non-university users so you might want to just bite the bullet and get the regular subscription. In my "cloud" package for $9.99 per month, I get Adobe Lightroom (which I use to catalog and post process my images before exporting to Photoshop. I also get Photoshop, Adobe Camera Raw (ACR), and Adobe Bridge. I also get 2 gb of cloud storage which I use to pass photos back and forth to the wife when she is in Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, Maine, or where ever and I am in Florida, Oklahoma, or where ever. The beauty of the Adobe Cloud is that I can have two computers working on it at any given time. This means that if one of us is at home and the other is traveling with the laptop, we can both be on the cloud for the same 1 ($9.99) subscription. NOTE: We have 4 computers that we use Adobe Cloud on but you can only be logged into 2 at any given time so if one or both are traveling we log out of the unused computers at home so that we can log in remotely. NO EXTRA CHARGE you just have to make sure that where you are staying has internet access. (I realize that this is deep and difficult thinking for a Longhorn but that's why you have Sooner friends!! LOL just teasing. Maybe I will get to see you in Dallas this year at the Cotton Bowl. Take care.
While I fell sorry for your choice of inferior col... (show quote)

Oh really. Texas has to put their few leftists somewhere!

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Jun 21, 2017 18:26:12   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
j45 wrote:
i read on another forum that you pay monthly but you are buying it for a year, so you are obligated to 12 payments, I guess. So the B&H yearly package at minimum is good because its no sales tax although it isn't that much. 20-30% discount? Yeah, I can handle that.


AFAIK, you pay $ 10 a month only for as long as you want. The prepaid plans are usually for a year. You can start with a prepaid plan, but you can't get into one once you've started to pay monthly. (I tried that once and it didn't work out, luckily B&H gave me a refund once I explained my situation to them.) Best of luck.

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Jun 22, 2017 02:59:12   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
jerryc41 wrote:
PS CS6 is not longer available, unless you can buy a copy from someone, but then registering it for yourself might be tricky. Seven days is all the "free" you get from Adobe. If it works like other free trials, you give all your payment info up front, and you have to notify them and cancel before the trial ends.

I wonder about the wisdom of offering a course that relies on someone having a subscription. Maybe you can pay the $10 for a month and cancel, but then, what's the point of learning PS? Lightroom would be a better choice for instruction - and owning - since it's still available for purchase.

http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/free-trial-download.html
PS CS6 is not longer available, unless you can buy... (show quote)


Jerry, what you say there has its point and yes, the subscription issue is tricky. But the main reason Photoshop CC is offered as a class at most schools that offer it (Adult Ed., Community College, College, and possibly University) is that one can have a career as a graphic artist or graphic designer using Full Photoshop (CS5, CS6, CC). The funding is not really for hobbyist photographers who like myself use only a tiny fraction of Ps's capabilities. It was created originally as a pixel editor for graphic design, but photographers found it useful as well. No one is going to pay you to use Lightroom. Do you see a future as a professional "photo cataloger"? The editing and retouching tools of Lr are very basic and limited compared to Ps. True Lr is probably easier for what it does do. Yes, Coral has had a competing program or two for Adobe's Photoshop.

The the public funding for strictly pleasure classes in California is very limited. Usually the school has to show a career goal for their classes and programs. The adult education "photography school" I attended a few years back offered a full program of photography and software classes towards a Certificate. I took the classes for just fun and to better my photo skills, I already have a BA Degree and Teaching Credential so I was little interested in the Certificate other than perhaps an ego booster. Other students, some with Masters Degrees in other fields also took classes, and others still wanted the Certificate for possible employment. And quite a few have become professional photographers. But the State of California expects there to at least be the possibility of employment via the courses it funds. And that is the catch. At any given full semester we were offered say six various Photoshop Classes, but one Lightroom Basics Class. In fact the school recently got shut down after close to 40 years by the School District because there were not enough career seeking students and many other problems.

A good reason to find software programs and classes given by Private Educational Institutions, the software designers and Corporations themselves, and retailers like B&H or Sammy's. In the "hard copy" Ps CS6 DVD-ROM days taking classes got you an educational discount from Adobe. That is how I came to own a copy of Ps CS6, at a well reduced student price.

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whatdat wrote:
Trying to move my photography along from a beginner by taking a couple of classes through the informal class section at the local university (Univ. of Tx. at Austin. Hook'em Longhorns.) Anyway, one class will be about using Photoshop cs-6 or Photoshop CC. Have never used either one before. So, where and what is the best source,price wise, for purchasing the above? Also, need to know if either software program can be put on more than one computer, how many, and if it can be transferred to another computer if bought later. I have noticed on the internet that there can be 30 free trials on downloads; do they automatically cancel at the end of 30 days or automatically renew?
Also, any suggestions about computer capability specs to handle the software and my photos.
I know I have lots of questions, but figure I will be able to good some really good answers on UHH>
Thanks.
Trying to move my photography along from a beginne... (show quote)


Yes, you can buy or get free a "used" copy of CS6 on a used physical DVD-ROM, but you must be sure the previous owner un-registered or deactivated it from their computer first. Since you can have Adobe products running on up to 4 devises with a single license you must do the same as you add a fifth device or get a new computer. Contact Adobe if not clear on how to transfer licenses from person to person and computer to computer. There may be UHH members willing to part with their CS5 or CS6 ROM if they've moved to Ps CC.

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Jun 22, 2017 03:04:18   #
Jacksonville Loc: Australia
 
We will be paying about AU$15 a month for the subscription. The government will start charging 10% GST from July 1st. Not the end of the world, but I am playing around with Luminar. Looks pretty good with a lot of advance features. No LR type database, but I don"t really need that. My Adobe sub runs out in December, so we'll see.

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Jun 22, 2017 03:07:56   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
Fotoartist wrote:
I've used every version of Photoshop from Photoshop 2.5 to Photoshop CS6. I would say that CS2 was one of my least favorites. CS 3 was much better. CS4 was another downer. CS5 was better but CS6 was the best till Photoshop CC.

I've been researching the improvements from CS6 to CC recently.
Here are the main ones:
Content aware Patch
Content aware Extend with scaling and rotation
Perspective Warp
Adobe Camera Raw Filter
Shake Reduction Filter
Better/faster masking and selection tools
Real time healing brush
Auto Content aware fill for pano stitches
Linked Smart Objects
Focus Mask
Better smart sharpen

I must say that these improvements seem worthwhile upgrading. But if you are advanced enough in CS6, I maintain you can find workarounds to achieve almost these same things without upgrading from CS6 to CC.
I've used every version of Photoshop from Photosho... (show quote)


Interesting that you created a list. Good information there. I own and use Ps CS6, yes the Content Aware tools sound vastly improved. They are iffy at best in CS5, and tricky or hit & miss in CS6. It would be nice to fill in around my panoramas with Content Aware filled edges to avoid so much cropping and loss of image. Try that with Lightroom! Getting close to it being worth while to make the jump to Ps CC.

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