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Jun 2, 2017 05:36:19   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
mwsilvers wrote:
No doubt eventually mirrorless will probably replace DSLRs, but the percentages you quote say nothing about actual numbers. How many cameras are we talking about for each camera type? And what range were those gains and losses in? Beginner? Enthusiast? Professional? Percentages alone do not tell the complete story. As an example, if 10 mirrorless camera sales go to 19, that would be a 90% increase. If a million DSLR camera sales go down to 890,000, that would be an 11% decease. Clearly in my extreme example, 890,000 is a whole lot more than 19. This is an example oh how using percentages alone can be misleading. I'm not disputing the general trend, but percentages alone may skew the big picture to support a particular point of view.

Without context the percentages you indicate are Interesting and show a trend but little else. Additionally, how many of these mirrorless cameras sold are lower end bodies or point and shoots? Again one must be careful about drawing conclusions from limited statistical data.
No doubt eventually mirrorless will probably repla... (show quote)


It is the title of the post that is misleading. The facts of the matter are to do with percentage increase/decreases. As you rightly point out, they cannot be used for comparing numbers. It is possible (probable) that, as one goes down in number, the other will go up by a similar number.
As a MFT fan, it would be interesting to read the statistics comparing MFT with DSLR, mirrorless or otherwise. As DSLR lenses wear out, I would expect that MFT numbers will snowball.

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Jun 2, 2017 05:36:31   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
bsprague wrote:
CIPA, the Camera & Imaging Products Association, released the shipment data for April 2017. Mirrorless camera shipments were up +90% compared to April 2016. At the same time DSLR shipments went down by 11%.

Is that mirrorless number MILC only or does it include point & shoot numbers ? Percentages do not tell enough of the story...

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Jun 2, 2017 05:40:19   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
Delderby wrote:
It is the title of the post that is misleading. The facts of the matter are to do with percentage increase/decreases. As you rightly point out, they cannot be used for comparing numbers. It is possible (probable) that, as one goes down in number, the other will go up by a similar number.
As a MFT fan, it would be interesting to read the statistics comparing MFT with DSLR, mirrorless or otherwise. As DSLR lenses wear out, I would expect that MFT numbers will snowball.
It is the title of the post that is misleading. Th... (show quote)

I own a couple of MFT Oly's as well as several Nikon DSLR's. Some of my lenses are almost as old as me. They haven't worn out. Granted, many are not AF, but they still function, unlike many newer lenses that are electronically controlled.

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Jun 2, 2017 05:43:50   #
markjay
 
It doesnt matter what the numerical breakdown is.
The trend is unstoppable.

There will always be people using a DSLR - just as there are still people using film.
There are also people that are obsessed with dinosaurs as well.

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Jun 2, 2017 05:46:20   #
Leitz Loc: Solms
 
Screamin Scott wrote:
Is that mirrorless number MILC only or does it include point & shoot numbers?

Aside from interchangeable lens, is there a difference?

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Jun 2, 2017 05:49:29   #
RWR Loc: La Mesa, CA
 
Leitz wrote:
Aside from interchangeable lens, is there a difference?

In use, very little.

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Jun 2, 2017 05:49:30   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
Leitz wrote:
Aside from interchangeable lens, is there a difference?

I wonder then if it includes the cameras in smartphones... ?

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Jun 2, 2017 05:56:03   #
Leitz Loc: Solms
 
Screamin Scott wrote:
I wonder then if it includes the cameras in smartphones... ?

What with auxiliary lenses available for phones, the differences do seem to be dwindling.

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Jun 2, 2017 06:05:21   #
Anandnra Loc: Tennessee
 
Cdouthitt wrote:
Mirrorless rules and DSLR's drool.


Percentages CAN be misleading ....say for example ...... DSLR numbers went down from 100,000 to 89,000 and Mirrorless went up from 100 to 190 ..... in the comparable period. Just saying ....

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Jun 2, 2017 06:07:02   #
markjay
 
it doesnt matter.
The trend is unstoppable.
Within 2-3 years the sales of dslrs will be a fraction of mirrorless.

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Jun 2, 2017 06:13:07   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
Here is a link to the report & it doesn't give a very concise breakdown... http://www.cipa.jp/stats/documents/e/d-201704_e.pdf

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Jun 2, 2017 06:25:48   #
waegwan Loc: Mae Won Li
 
bsprague wrote:
CIPA, the Camera & Imaging Products Association, released the shipment data for April 2017. Mirrorless camera shipments were up +90% compared to April 2016. At the same time DSLR shipments went down by 11%.


Hmmm other than some bulk, isn't a DSLR basically mirrorless when on live view? Just a thought.

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Jun 2, 2017 06:48:37   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
It is impossible to deny the fact of how convenient and capable mirrorless cameras are. It is also impossible to deny that technology in those cameras is superior to the technology packed in dSLR.
AF has been improved and I am sure very soon it will be at a par with those in dSLR cameras. The assortment of lenses today is better than ever.
As has been said, quality wise there is nothing wrong with dSLR cameras. It is the convenience, light weight, size and features in mirrorless cameras that have made them a favorite the world over.
Nikon and Canon did not do enough research and development in the mirrorless field or so it seems and both companies are now far behind. Olympus and Panasonic went into a joint venture by which lenses from one company can be used with the bodies of the other. That to me is genius.
I share the opinion of others that some day most cameras will be mirrorless and as a matter of fact I predicted about three years ago that such thing will eventually happen.
I have been using Olympus bodies with some lenses made by Panasonic and I have been delighted by the size of cameras and lenses and the quality of my photographs. Experience one of these cameras for street photography and I guarantee that you will not look back.
Many professionals are now mirrorless camera shooters.

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Jun 2, 2017 06:52:53   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
bsprague wrote:
CIPA, the Camera & Imaging Products Association, released the shipment data for April 2017. Mirrorless camera shipments were up +90% compared to April 2016. At the same time DSLR shipments went down by 11%.


And your point is? Your statement is very misleading. Mirrorless is the new THING on the market. What that study does not take into account is USE AMONG PROFESSIONALS and the fact that some folks who have had DSLR's and bought mirrorless are going BACK to DSLR's. I shoot BIF, for me Mirrorless does not have the lenses that DSLR'S offer for BIF. That said I own two mirrorless, I use them in difficult lighting conditions because with mirrorless I can see what the final shot will look like before I shoot. I very big advantage. Same with exposure compensation, the mirrorless applies the effect and I can see what it does to the image BEFORE I shoot. But for sports, Mirrorless has a LONG way to go. The rest of the story has now been told.

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Jun 2, 2017 07:13:21   #
dkguill Loc: Elkhart, IN
 
bsprague wrote:
CIPA, the Camera & Imaging Products Association, released the shipment data for April 2017. Mirrorless camera shipments were up +90% compared to April 2016. At the same time DSLR shipments went down by 11%.


Not surprised...new gets attention. I own a Sony NEX7 and almost never use it. I just hate the view finder. I also own 5D4, 5Ds, & 7D2...use them when getting good pics is important...which is whenever I take a pic. The NEX7 is smaller and lighter, but it doesn't replace my DSLRs and never will. Just personal preference I suppose.

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