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May 30, 2017 00:12:06   #
via the lens Loc: Northern California, near Yosemite NP
 
Steve Perry wrote:
I did a video on BBAF and it's helped a lot of people understand exactly why they need it and what the advantages are (and how to set it up too). Check it out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzqQskGoURE


Love your wildlife book! Thanks for that.

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May 30, 2017 02:59:38   #
crazydaddio Loc: Toronto Ontario Canada
 
Thomas902 wrote:
Eric there are several important disadvantages to using back button focus... First let me preface my inferences here with the fact that I use BBF exclusively on location and when shooting events. It's advantages have already been thoroughly address in the thread and they indeed are rather significant to say the least! My shooting style is heavily reliant on BBF especially on location and at events.

However much of my revenue stream comes from studio assignments and here BBF can be a major disadvantage for my visual statement which is heavy based on low key scenarios. My studio is entirely flat black with no windows... All illumination is from modeling lamps which are configured to track with their respected output levels so that I can visually evaluate their influence on compositional elements. These modeling lamps are 150 watts at full power which rarely is reached even with my key light. So yes critical focus in such low ambient can be and is oft a challenge thus I will fall back on Single Servo rather than Continuous Servo on my Nikon bodies in order to obtain a conformation "beep" when the AF system has "lock". Since BBF requires Continuous Servo to function I have to switch it off...

A second very critical issue is I oft will use my D610 rather than my D3x in the studio... The D610 is literally blind as a proverbial bat and struggles to "lock" focus without it's Auto Assist Illuminator. Which obviously is disabled in Continuous Servo. Many of Nikon's pro-sumer bodies rely on their Auto Assist Illuminator without which will struggle in extremely low ambient. BTW: Your D500 does not have an Auto Assist Illuminator most likely because it has excellent low light focusing sensitivity. That said I don't use crop bodies for studio work, nor do my competitors... there are compelling reasons why but that's another issue entirely and unlikely germane to this thread...

Eric I'm certain others here on UHH may not find these limitations relevant but since you asked I wanted you to be aware that as with most aspects of photography so much depends on the needs of your clients especially if you are shooting commercially. Thus the concept of a signal solution is rarely germane in our craft... Hope this makes sense...

Final thoughts? Eric I highly recommend you try BBF in as it's advantages are so significant that your ability to shoot effectively in various challenging situations will likely be compromised without same...

Hope this helps and I wish you well on your journey Eric...
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Excellent. I would agree. Well explained...

Additinally, I sometimes do some manual focus in combination with single focus as the confirmation "beep" confirms the camera believes it has acheived focus but that does not mean that it IS focused :-)

The studio is the ONE place I would turn off AI servo. Great point on the the AF assist in single mode in low light...I think this may be a separate discussion from BBF. (Unless your statement about "BBF requires continuous servo to function"

Need to confirm whether BBF in single mode has any effect on the IR AF assist for Canon....hmmm. I think its a straight half push of the shutter being mapped to the BB which decouples AI and Single servo from the BBF discussion....I could be wrong...

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May 30, 2017 05:54:10   #
John N Loc: HP14 3QF Stokenchurch, UK
 
Takes a while to get used to it I found, but this is the time to do it. I changed in late Autumn and this was a mistake, my gloved hand kept actuating the mirror lock up. Give it a go, you can always change back.

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May 30, 2017 06:29:00   #
cmcaroffino Loc: Sebring, FL
 
Most Nikons can program any of several buttons for BBF. On my D750 and D7200 I prefer to program the pv button for BBF. I also set the camera to continuous focus then by pressing the BBF button once it focuses and locks on subject. If subject is moving hold the BBF button down and it will track the subject. Very quick and convenient.

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May 30, 2017 06:33:54   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Eric Bornstein wrote:
I don't know how and do not know why, that is, the advantages and disadvantages, of using back button focus. I am a Nikon user, presently shooting with a D500 (love this camera!). So, there are two questions that I am posing: the how and the why. There may be a third question inherent in my query and that is, the when to use bbf?


I shoot birds in flight, ALL THE TIME, EVERY DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. I have unscientific proof that the regular shutter button located on top of the camera (that Nikon and Canon, and Sony, and many others have determined the best place for it, other wise they would have but it on the back of the camera) has given me a 95-98% keep rate. I believe that is good enough, yes, I shoot with the best action camera in current production, the D500. I use that back button focus for changing my metering priority, which, for birds in flight, is more important to me than using it to fire my camera.

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May 30, 2017 06:43:23   #
WessoJPEG Loc: Cincinnati, Ohio
 
Steve Perry wrote:
I did a video on BBAF and it's helped a lot of people understand exactly why they need it and what the advantages are (and how to set it up too). Check it out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzqQskGoURE


I ordered your book on Focus never received anything.

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May 30, 2017 07:12:49   #
mcveed Loc: Kelowna, British Columbia (between trips)
 
For a practical demonstration of the main advantage of BBF watch this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PN9R0D3pF0

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May 30, 2017 07:18:22   #
mcveed Loc: Kelowna, British Columbia (between trips)
 
WessoJPEG wrote:
I ordered your book on Focus never received anything.


How did you manage that? You don't order this book, you just download it.

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May 30, 2017 07:26:40   #
WessoJPEG Loc: Cincinnati, Ohio
 
mcveed wrote:
How did you manage that? You don't order this book, you just download it.


Never downloaded anything?

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May 30, 2017 07:55:19   #
Jim Bob
 
billnikon wrote:
I shoot birds in flight, ALL THE TIME, EVERY DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. I have unscientific proof that the regular shutter button located on top of the camera (that Nikon and Canon, and Sony, and many others have determined the best place for it, other wise they would have but it on the back of the camera) has given me a 95-98% keep rate. I believe that is good enough, yes, I shoot with the best action camera in current production, the D500. I use that back button focus for changing my metering priority, which, for birds in flight, is more important to me than using it to fire my camera.
I shoot birds in flight, ALL THE TIME, EVERY DAY, ... (show quote)


OK. I don't give manufacturers of anything the deference that you ascribe to them. It's simple: you and all others should use the focusing method that works for you. I hate all this condescending, self-righteous bull regardless of which side of the focus issue you happen to support.

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May 30, 2017 07:56:03   #
billpan45
 
Loved it on my Canon 5D Mark III, but recently I traded in for an Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mark II and just discovered it is not worth it on the Oly. Setting it up is frustrating, and then BBF becomes a multi-step procedure which can result in zooming, losing a focus rectangle and cursing. I'll look at it one more time, but I'm not hopeful. Love my OMD but communicating with Olympus is not smooth--their manuals are not expansive, their support is vague, and the Olympus Store is anything but efficient. Wait, let me get coffee and some patience. Just realized I sound like a cantankerous old man. You'll be fine with your Nikon--easy to set up, and a pleasure to use the BBF.

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May 30, 2017 08:00:14   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Jim Bob wrote:
OK. I don't give manufacturers of anything the deference that you ascribe to them. It's simple: you and all others should use the focusing method that works for you. I hate all this condescending, self-righteous bull regardless of which side of the focus issue you happen to support.


No self-righteous, no bull regardless of which side of the focus issue I fall on, no condescending remarks, just stated what I do and the results I got. Whatever else you got from my post was pure speculation on your part. I try to give honest advice to the folks who ask for it. Thank you.

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May 30, 2017 08:04:17   #
jccash Loc: Longwood, Florida
 
Steve Perry wrote:
I did a video on BBAF and it's helped a lot of people understand exactly why they need it and what the advantages are (and how to set it up too). Check it out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzqQskGoURE


Steve, your video on BBF helped me a lot in setting up my D500. Also own both your books. Heading to S. Africa June 11 with my daughter on Safari. Looking forward to taking some great pictures. Hope I don't run into issues with airline security.

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May 30, 2017 08:10:54   #
WessoJPEG Loc: Cincinnati, Ohio
 
Steve Perry wrote:
I did a video on BBAF and it's helped a lot of people understand exactly why they need it and what the advantages are (and how to set it up too). Check it out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzqQskGoURE


I'm not a smart man, thought I was ordering a book. Where do I find the download, youtube or what.?

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May 30, 2017 08:26:29   #
Mary Kate Loc: NYC
 
Steve Perry wrote:
I did a video on BBAF and it's helped a lot of people understand exactly why they need it and what the advantages are (and how to set it up too). Check it out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzqQskGoURE


When I was trying to determine if there was an advantage to using BBF I did come across your video. I thought it was well done and very informative. I do use BBF on my D610.

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