Confused about Scott Kelby's lated book on Adobe Photoshop CC (Page 2): I'd be curious what is listed in the index. I can't believe that a book having 'Photoshop CC' in the title...

Morning Star Loc: West coast, North of the 49th N.

lwerthe1mer wrote:

I edit my photos in Lightroom and want to be able ... (show quote)

I'd be curious what is listed in the index. I can't believe that a book having 'Photoshop CC' in the title, gives information on ACR only. If so, the title is misleading, and 1. That doesn't sound like Scott Kelby, 2. I'd promptly ask for a refund (after I made sure that it really is about ACR only and does not include Photoshop itself.

ETA:

I found a pdf file with part of the book on-line (2014 release), it certainly covers both ACR and PS:
http://ptgmedia.pearsoncmg.com/images/9780133900859/samplepages/9780133900859.pdf

Also found an excerpt of the 2017 release, and there is indeed a lot about using ACR. Then again, ACR is part of PS. And looking at the index, there is stuff that applies to PS, as well:
https://img.kelbymediagroup.com/kelbyone_enterprise/downloads/PSCC17_DP_Excerpt.pdf

Cape Coral Joel

Try Lynda.com. They have a multitude of Photoshop video course's from the beginner level through advanced, and when Adobe updates you can usually find a video covering the changes. There are also exercise files that you can practice with.

brucewells Loc: Central Kentucky

lwerthe1mer wrote:

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Most digital photographers start with ACR in some fashion. If you skip Lightroom, then your only access to ACR is through the filter menu in PS. While ACR does the same thing in LR or PS, the interfaces look different in PS than they do in LR.

It appears Kelby is approaching this book for the PS-only crowd.

Jer Loc: Mesa, Arizona

Lightroom has Adobe camera raw built into it.

rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona

ACR is the initial editor that is used between your RAW file and either PS or LR. ACR allows the initial editing and is quite versatile at doing so. One can do some incredible editing with ACR prior to work in either LR or PS. I'm not a huge fan of Kelby's. I've found more informative information on youtube, and articles posted in numerous photo web sites.
--Bob

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Dwolfe1941

I too am new to Lightroom and purchased "the Adobe Photoshop Lightroom CC book for digital photographers" by Scott Kelby, and found it to be the most helpful source I've seen. Very basic, if you are like me, is the place to start and go from there.

JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco

brucewells wrote:

Most digital photographers start with ACR in some fashion. If you skip Lightroom, then your only access to ACR is through the filter menu in PS. While ACR does the same thing in LR or PS, the interfaces look different in PS than they do in LR.

It appears Kelby is approaching this book for the PS-only crowd.

I only use Photoshop and not Lightroom, but I just drop my RAW files on the Photoshop icon, and that opens them in ACR.

Lenscracker

repleo wrote:

Chelsea and Tony Northrup's book ' Photoshop CC Essentials for Photographers' may be what you need. Like you, Northrup does most of his edits and crops in LR and then switches to Photoshop for anything else. It does not go into ACR at all, but covers all of the main PS photography tools like layers, masking, selections etc. The book provides access to 10 hours of accompanying online videos, mentoring forum and downloadable ebook.

I have Northrup's book and I am very happy with it and his approach to photo editing. Kelby and Northrup have different philosophies. I like them both, but Northrup's ideas are a refreshing way to look at things.

lowkick Loc: Connecticut

lwerthe1mer wrote:

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Directly from the Amazon listing https://www.amazon.com/Photoshop-Digital-Photographers-release-Voices/dp/0134545117/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1495982190&sr=8-1&keywords=THE+ADOBE+PHOTOSHOP+CC+BOOK+FOR+DIGITAL+PHOTOGRAPHERS;

"LEARN HOW THE PROS DO IT
The photographer’s workflow in Photoshop has evolved greatly over time, and in this current version of book you’ll wind up doing a lot of your processing and editing in Photoshop’s Adobe Camera Raw feature (whether you shoot in RAW, JPEG or TIFF–it works for all three). That’s because for years now, Adobe has been adding most of Photoshop’s new features for photography directly into Camera Raw itself. Since today’s photography workflow in Photoshop is based around Camera Raw, about one third of this book is about mastering Camera Raw like a pro."

brucewells Loc: Central Kentucky

JohnSwanda wrote:

I only use Photoshop and not Lightroom, but I just drop my RAW files on the Photoshop icon, and that opens them in ACR.

Yes, that is one way to open a file in PS.

Since I use LR, when I send an image from LR to PS for editing, it doesn't open in ACR. But, if I want to do an ACR edit of some sort once in PS, I can choose Camera Raw from the filter menu to do the work.

blackest Loc: Ireland

rmalarz wrote:

ACR is the initial editor that is used between your RAW file and either PS or LR. ACR allows the initial editing and is quite versatile at doing so. One can do some incredible editing with ACR prior to work in either LR or PS. I'm not a huge fan of Kelby's. I've found more informative information on youtube, and articles posted in numerous photo web sites.
--Bob

I know when I first started photo editing I way underappreciated the value of raw editing and practical ran past ACR to get to the 'real' tools in photoshop. It's a common attitude, but a good photo needs solid foundations and ACR is where you do that work. After you got it right in camera first.

That might sound strange to some especially those who think raw is for people who can't work the camera right. But I've worked on too many of my own bad photo's to have not figured out somethings just don't get fixed in post.

ccourtney59

I do have Scott Kelby's book and it does have instruction on photoshop. Camera Raw is part of the package that comes with Photoshop CC and is essentially the same as Lightroom. If you are in Lightroom you can do your initial editing staying in the RAW format and then go to the edit menu or right click to get "Edit in...Photoshop" it takes you into photoshop where you can do the things you want then save your photo and it will send it back to Lightroom. I have found Matt Klosowski's Photoshop System's videos very helpful in learning Photoshop. It is very good for Lightroom users.

johnsnap1947 Loc: New Fairfield, CT

I too have purchased this book based on the information I read about it on the WEB. I have always used Scott's books for Adobe and found them to be very educational and detailed. However, I found this one to be very misleading, not covering a lot of stuff in detail, or at all, about Photoshop CC. I Don't use ACR. Nothing mentioned on the cover about ACR. I only use the book for reference when I'm stuck. Haven't needed to reference it until months after purchasing it. Hope I can return it though. Barnes and Noble. Too expensive to keep for nothing..

jackpi Loc: Southwest Ohio

lwerthe1mer wrote:

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Camera Raw has exactly the same image editing tools as Adobe Lightroom, but with a different interface and without the image management (catalog, collections, etc.) capabilities. Camera Raw/Lightroom contain 90-95% of the tools needed to process images. You need to look at the book more carefully. It proceeds in a logical order. The first half of the book does deal with Camera Raw, but about half way through it transitions to using Photoshop with Camera Raw where Photoshop has tools that are better than Camera Raw (content-aware fill and healing) or exclusive to Photoshop (selection and layers). Carefully reading pages xiv through xvii should clarify this. If you try to learn Photoshop before you fully understand and can effectively use the capabilities of Camera Raw/Lightroom, you will be making a big mistake and the quality of your images will suffer accordingly.

Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina

I will suggest you take a look at the training videos from Laura Shoe on Photoshop.

I find it easier to learn the basics while watching someone do it on the Photoshop program.

Best,
Todd Ferguson