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Jun 23, 2012 16:33:59   #
ole sarg Loc: south florida
 
No good! Not valid! It is against freedom to accumulate wealth. G_D gave us free will and freedom to acquire wealth. Next year simply ignore the IRS and then tel them why!

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Jun 23, 2012 19:37:07   #
PNagy Loc: Missouri City, Texas
 
ole sarg wrote:
No good! Not valid! It is against freedom to accumulate wealth. G_D gave us free will and freedom to acquire wealth. Next year simply ignore the IRS and then tel them why!


Shhh! Watch out lest small-time waiters, photographers, and landscapers might end up in serious trouble with the IRS after taking to heart your suggestion.

The ultimate legal argument for most of the government power is that it has enough a monopoly on institutional violence to compel compliance.

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Jun 23, 2012 21:15:57   #
BetterPHpro Loc: NC
 
I want you to consider this: Up until the Supreme Court ruled that prayer in the school was unconstitutional in 1963, most of the problems encountered in schools today did not exist. At least, not in the magnetued it is witnessed today. There were not school massacares, bomb threats, bullying, etc...

Since 1963, when the infamous statement, "Separation of Church and State" was used in the decision. It has been repeated many times over to jusify another decision in removing God from the public eye.

What has been the result of removing God from view? Moral decay, if it feels good! Do it! If somebody gets hurt! So What! Now, homosexuals have more rights than Christians.

So, let me as this question. God states in the Bible many times that homosexuallity (effeminate men) is an abomination to him. Yet God loves all his creation. So, it stands to reason that God would not create something that he hates. So, homosexuality is a choice.

The first amendment has nothing to do with "Separation of Church and State". The first amendment is in place to keep the government from establishing a "National Religion", as England did before the United States was formed. The King of England had established the Chatholic Church as the National Church for everyone to attend. After the reformation of which the Protestant Church took hold, there was a war over religion which lasted for over a couple of centuries. In the meantime, the Pilgrims left England for the America to be able to worship without goverment interference.

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Jun 23, 2012 22:34:17   #
bullfrogs Loc: Chico, Calif.
 
I am honored to have read you comments an i agree with you all the way. God is still in control, and prayer changes things. Praise be to God and may he always be right and we always be wrong. Forgiven
Bullfrogs

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Jun 23, 2012 23:07:44   #
ole sarg Loc: south florida
 
I guess G_D was affected and effected by the Supreme Court hearing. Why is your G_D so small that he cannot control all the abominations that you allude to? Perhaps you are incorrect about the power of G_D!

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Jun 23, 2012 23:54:18   #
Singing Swan
 
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What difference does it really make?? Are we not all fingers pointing to the same moon? I think it is not G_D we want in our lives but moral integrity. It wouldn't matter to any of us what a man or woman's religion or their political beliefs were as long as they don't try to force us to believe the same way, as long as we don't have to find out AFTER they take office that they are crooked or perverted. We want moral integrity and that's what's missing in so many areas, in schools, in politics, even in the churches that are supposed to be the bastions of integrity. I do not attend any church because I can't find one, NOT ONE, that isn't more concerned with the car I drive or the clothes I wear or who I dated last week. When I find one that accepts me for who and what I am and not what they want to make me into, when I find one where love and caring are the most important parts of their existence, I'll probably keel over from shock!!!!

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Jun 24, 2012 00:34:32   #
PNagy Loc: Missouri City, Texas
 
ole sarg wrote:
I guess G_D was affected and effected by the Supreme Court hearing. Why is your G_D so small that he cannot control all the abominations that you allude to? Perhaps you are incorrect about the power of G_D!


Believers in God give him a no lose identity. When something good happened, "god blessed me to gain this promotion." When something horrible happens, either "God is testing me," or it had nothing to do with Him. Imagine the luxury of testing someone through torture. Even during the barbaric Middle Ages torture was reserved for those accused of something, but God can torture people just to test them.

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Jun 24, 2012 07:50:00   #
ngc1514 Loc: Atlanta, Ga., Lancaster, Oh. and Stuart, Fl.
 
BetterPHpro wrote:
I want you to consider this: Up until the Supreme Court ruled that prayer in the school was unconstitutional in 1963, most of the problems encountered in schools today did not exist. At least, not in the magnetued it is witnessed today. There were not school massacares, bomb threats, bullying, etc...

No one, including the Supreme Court, has ever denied anyone the right to pray.

Any kid can start praying the moment he wakes up, all through the school day and until he goes to bed at night.

In fact, the Supreme Court decision can be seen as following the injunction about public prayer in Matt 6:5-6 :


When you pray, you are not to be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on the street corners so that they may be seen by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full. But you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you.

Looks like the decision was trying to hew closer to Jesus' commands. Why do you want the poor children to act counter to what Jesus wanted and act "like the hypocrites... So they may be seen by men?"

You should thank the Supremes for stopping this sinful act!

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Jun 24, 2012 10:15:32   #
BetterPHpro Loc: NC
 
God is in full control of everything. To ask why God allows such pain and suffering is due to lack of knowledge about God. When God created the heavens and the Earth, he said it was good. That is because it had his nature, it was not corrupt. When Adam and Eve chose to disobey and not take responsibility for their actions, they broke their natural relationship with God. Thus, sin (corruption) entered into reality. Earthquakes, hurricanes, and all other manor of distress and suffering is caused by man's broken relationship with God.

All through the Old Testament God tried to get people to come back to him and accept his ways. (Remember Freewill in which God will not interfer.) So, he sent Christ, only through Christ can one have a relationship with God. But, because God will not separate the believers from the unbelievers, all still suffer the growing pains of this Earth. But, the people who believe in Christ, always have a way of hope, and a confidence which carries them trough.

The public display mentioned in the Bible was due to the hypocrites who walked around fasting and praying aloud in public places, groning and and contorting theirs faces trying to get attention on themsleves. The Bible said, this was for their glory, not God's.

God said it was good to gather together in his name and share faith and learn in the presence of other believers. Also, the "Great Commission" is to go out into the World and spread the good news of the gospel. For it is the will of God that all should be saved and be in his presence forever and not be banished to the lake of fire wiith the devil and his angles.

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Jun 24, 2012 10:48:30   #
ngc1514 Loc: Atlanta, Ga., Lancaster, Oh. and Stuart, Fl.
 
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt."

-- Bertrand Russell

"Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd."

-- Voltaire

"Men become civilized, not in proportion to their willingness to believe, but in proportion in their readiness to doubt."

-- Ambrose Bierce

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Jun 24, 2012 14:41:28   #
CanonJC
 
BetterPHpro wrote:
I want you to consider this: Up until the Supreme Court ruled that prayer in the school was unconstitutional in 1963, most of the problems encountered in schools today did not exist. At least, not in the magnetued it is witnessed today. There were not school massacares, bomb threats, bullying, etc...

Since 1963, when the infamous statement, "Separation of Church and State" was used in the decision. It has been repeated many times over to jusify another decision in removing God from the public eye.

What has been the result of removing God from view? Moral decay, if it feels good! Do it! If somebody gets hurt! So What! Now, homosexuals have more rights than Christians.

So, let me as this question. God states in the Bible many times that homosexuallity (effeminate men) is an abomination to him. Yet God loves all his creation. So, it stands to reason that God would not create something that he hates. So, homosexuality is a choice.

The first amendment has nothing to do with "Separation of Church and State". The first amendment is in place to keep the government from establishing a "National Religion", as England did before the United States was formed. The King of England had established the Chatholic Church as the National Church for everyone to attend. After the reformation of which the Protestant Church took hold, there was a war over religion which lasted for over a couple of centuries. In the meantime, the Pilgrims left England for the America to be able to worship without goverment interference.
I want you to consider this: Up until the Supreme ... (show quote)


Absolutely true! I've noticed the behavior of US Supreme Court empowers the laws above the US Constitution. US President or US Senators and Congressmen should fired all 9 judges and select Christian judges. Plus eliminate filthy ACLU from USA!

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Jun 24, 2012 15:25:04   #
RMM Loc: Suburban New York
 
BetterPHpro wrote:
I want you to consider this: Up until the Supreme Court ruled that prayer in the school was unconstitutional in 1963, most of the problems encountered in schools today did not exist. At least, not in the magnetued it is witnessed today. There were not school massacares, bomb threats, bullying, etc...

Since 1963, when the infamous statement, "Separation of Church and State" was used in the decision. It has been repeated many times over to jusify another decision in removing God from the public eye.

What has been the result of removing God from view? Moral decay, if it feels good! Do it! If somebody gets hurt! So What! Now, homosexuals have more rights than Christians.

So, let me as this question. God states in the Bible many times that homosexuallity (effeminate men) is an abomination to him. Yet God loves all his creation. So, it stands to reason that God would not create something that he hates. So, homosexuality is a choice.

The first amendment has nothing to do with "Separation of Church and State". The first amendment is in place to keep the government from establishing a "National Religion", as England did before the United States was formed. The King of England had established the Chatholic Church as the National Church for everyone to attend. After the reformation of which the Protestant Church took hold, there was a war over religion which lasted for over a couple of centuries. In the meantime, the Pilgrims left England for the America to be able to worship without goverment interference.
I want you to consider this: Up until the Supreme ... (show quote)

You really think school prayer is the reason for all our woes? You really think bullying didn't exist before 1963? You think homosexuality is a choice? That's like saying that your being a man instead of a woman was a choice on your part.

What you're really saying is that religion doesn't seem to have much force or effect on people's lives unless they can gather in herds to reinforce their faith.

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Jun 24, 2012 15:35:42   #
BetterPHpro Loc: NC
 
First and Second question, NO. Taking pray out of the school was the first step in taking God out of view. God is the only one who can decide what is moral and what is not.

You have no choice in whether you are a man or a woman, that is God's choice. He created you the way he wanted you to be. One's freewill and sparation from God is what preverts his design and plan. Instead of continuing to deny God his place, try accepting him by accepting Christ as your savior. If you do that will the zeal and enthusiasum you will see the light.

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Jun 24, 2012 16:16:36   #
RMM Loc: Suburban New York
 
BetterPHpro wrote:
First and Second question, NO. Taking pray out of the school was the first step in taking God out of view. God is the only one who can decide what is moral and what is not.

You have no choice in whether you are a man or a woman, that is God's choice. He created you the way he wanted you to be. One's freewill and sparation from God is what preverts his design and plan. Instead of continuing to deny God his place, try accepting him by accepting Christ as your savior. If you do that will the zeal and enthusiasum you will see the light.
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Well, I have to disagree with you. Being religious is something you can do any time and anywhere on a personal and private basis. Expressing it with others is perfectly appropriate in church and in the home. When it is done in public places like schools or at public events, it is an imposition of one group's beliefs on anyone else who happens to be in the neighborhood.

Your earlier reference to homosexuality implied that it is a choice. That was a common belief, but not generally held by the medical community any more, nor by many other people. Ask anyone in the LGBT community if they chose their sexual orientation, and you will be told that it was as natural to them as your heterosexual orientation is to you. Just a lot less convenient.

And, no, I don't believe they are as they are because they were being punished by God for their evil ways. Nor do I believe that earthquakes and tornadoes only strike sinful people, or the occasional good people as tests of our faith.

You and I obviously don't share the same beliefs. I don't know if yours are correct or mine, or if both of us are completely wrong. That's fine. If you keep your nose out of my business, I'll keep mine out of yours. Fair enough?

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Jun 24, 2012 16:36:19   #
ngc1514 Loc: Atlanta, Ga., Lancaster, Oh. and Stuart, Fl.
 
BetterPHpro wrote:
First and Second question, NO. Taking pray out of the school was the first step in taking God out of view. God is the only one who can decide what is moral and what is not.

You have no choice in whether you are a man or a woman, that is God's choice. He created you the way he wanted you to be. One's freewill and sparation from God is what preverts his design and plan. Instead of continuing to deny God his place, try accepting him by accepting Christ as your savior. If you do that will the zeal and enthusiasum you will see the light.
First and Second question, NO. Taking pray out of ... (show quote)


How has god been taken out of view? What religious freedoms have you, personally, lost? Have you ever been denied the right to practice your religion any way you wish?

How do you know morals come from any of mankind's thousands of gods?

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