CatMarley Loc: North Carolina

No-one is or has insisted that past forms of photographic equipment will disappear completely. Only that the dominant form will no longer be the mechanical DSLR and that some form of camera using electronic replacements for the prism and mirror will dominate the Pro/semi-pro/enthusiast market niche now held by the DSLR.
How many film SLRs are manufactured and sold now? I haven't seen any, but then I haven't looked for them either. Needless to say their niche has been replaced by the DSLR. I haven't looked for an enlarger or developing equipment either, but I am sure a diligent search could turn some up. The DSLR will no doubt persist as an endangered species, just as all the other machines you mentioned have. Manufacturing of a product will persist as long as the market persists. And the market will persist so long as the product has some special benefit to the consumer.

LensWork

I am sorry, but I don't understand your definition of WYSIWYG. The commonly accepted meaning is that what you see through the viewfinder looks the same as the recorded image when reviewed on the LCD. If you were, for example, to shoot a picture inside your home with typical incandescent light bulbs and shot that picture with the camera's white balance set to daylight, the image when viewed on the camera's LCD would have a yellow overall cast. When shooting with a DSLR with an optical viewfinder, the scene would look perfectly color balanced through the viewfinder as our eyes and brain will automatically color balance the scene. The white-balanced-by-our-brain view through the optical viewfinder will not look the same as the yellow cast image when viewed on the LCD after the camera records the image, therefore what we saw and what we got was NOT the same, so it could not be WYSIWYG.

dhelix33 Loc: Live in Raleigh, NC - Grew up in Teaneck, NJ

This is not worth going through again - have fun shooting...

jim quist Loc: Missouri

I suppose when its time to actually lay down the cash I will take a closer look.

Lazorsnipes

Funny I still have and use a fountain pen, as well as wooden pencils for certain things. My 911 is a manual transmission and I am pretty sure they are still making them today!! Yes technology progresses, and some people only embrace the newest gizmo, while others hold on for dear life to the "old" stuff (you said yourself you prefer your old TV). I think there is a time and place for dslr and mirrorless. I also think people spend way to much money upgrading to something "better" in technology thinking it will make them better. I have some great photos from my p/s camera that is over 10 years old. Some things will be around for a while, like dslr cameras. Oh and why does Leica still make a rangefinder camera and lens?? Probably why Porsche still makes a manual tranny!!

IBM

The makers are no fools , there is not many of them compared to others that compete with like products , they watch each other closely
There is enough room for all of them if they keep playing the game as they have , if the mirrorless developed a camera that was as good as or better than any dslr with mirror , that would put the.mirror makers out of business, why don't they do that they probably could ,
But are in no hurry, maybe canon and Nikon, got them under wraps and there all waiting , for one to come out with one that can destroy
The mirror , but they will all be coming out with them ,it will be as now that the will take there turns one upping each other , don't you ever wonder why sony sells there top sensors to nikon and Canon, they could just say no we don't have enough or is it payment to Sony
for waiting for Canon, nikon. To catch up , the Sensor must be the most costly thing in a camera body , and there selling a lot of censors to them ,.

jsenear Loc: Hopkins, MN.

I shoot with a Nikon 1 S1 and a Nikon 1 V1 bodies. I find most of the pictures remarkable and am using my DSLR's only for special projects now.

dhelix33 Loc: Live in Raleigh, NC - Grew up in Teaneck, NJ

I own Nikon 1 J1 and J5 mirrorless cameras. These cameras get limited use - such as when I capture images ‘on-the-fly’ at family gatherings or traveling. Never used them for photography services provided to clients, principally because of the tiny 2.7x crop sensor - and VERY limited lens availability. I have the F-Mount lens adaptor for these devices. But there is a challenge - when attaching lenses on the J1 or J5 bodies they can cause a shadow in the image at certain focal lengths with the cameras.

burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC

It depends on the settings... in full manual mode, with correct exposure, custom white balance, and menu settings, WYSIWYG is closer to reality than any dSLR finder I've used. In "Intelligent Auto" mode, it is usually close. In most modes, if it looks weird, I know there's a setting out of whack.

Of course, WYSIWYG applies to JPEG and normal (not log) video output. With raw, unless using the right PP software that defaults to the JPEG process menu settings when you open the file, it WILL look different.

Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.

Yep. 👍👍👍👍👍

Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.

Canon makes its own sensors, at least in the majority of cases.

CatMarley Loc: North Carolina

Agreed. The biggies are not going to retool all their factories while they can sell slightly improved versions of the same old thing every two years. When the sales decline enough, and Sony, Olympus and Fuji are taking up the slack, the big TWO will bite the bullet and start a new line. It is all about the bottom line. But that day is fast approaching if you look at the sales trends. Right now they can stay ahead of the clock by virtue of their enormous size, but the clock is ticking.

Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.

While we are talking about the 'big two' and retooling, which is a good point, Canon does seem to be moving (slowly) in that direction. Nikon less obviously so.

It is also interesting to look at mirrorless adoption rates, much slower in Europe and America than in Asia.

If this is a matter of business management and timing, then Canon shows signs of preparation.

What do we lnow about Nikon?

CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!

Peterff wrote:

Many, but I've already expressed them. These are simple journal / press articles. It certainly doesn't mean game over in a year or two. The market is much more complex than that.

The end game I believe will be some kind of electronic / mirrorless format, but it will be a long game, don't count Canon and Nikon out, and don't count Sony as the obvious winner.

You know better than that Cholly, there will be changes in the market and vendor rankings.

Wait what? Those journalist aren't shills for saying the SAME things most of us in this thread have?

Isn't that kinda... hmmm I don't know; HYPOCRITICAL?!?!

Work Argue Wiggle SQUIRM FINAGLE your way out of this one pete....

Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.

These article all have strengths and weaknesses:

References:

https://www.theverge.com/2017/2/6/14520976/canon-m5-review-mirrorless-camera-sample-photos

Nota bad review, but clearly from someone who already comes from the mirrorless mindset, not objective and factually flawed in some places, such as “Mirrors have played an important role in photography for as long as cameras have been around.” That’s not exactly historically accurate.

http://www.techradar.com/news/are-canon-and-nikon-taking-mirrorless-seriously
Not a bad review, but focused on the Compact System Camera (CSC) market, not the overall market. Relatively balanced in some regards, but still is still clearly and obviously biased against Canon and Nikon.

“At least for the time being, it’s reasonable to expect compact system cameras to continue to co-exist alongside DSLRs – in particular Canon and Nikon’s professional DSLRs, whose fast phase-detect AF systems, excellent handling and compatibility with decades worth of acclaimed pro-oriented optics mean they remain the obvious choice for the professional sports and action photographer. “

https://www.wired.com/2017/03/review-canon-eos-m5/
This is a reasonably balanced review, clearly the EOS M5 is a step on the journey and not yet a step far enough. It represents a fair assessment of a market in transition where typically the market leaders are slower to react than the young pretenders to the throne for many good reasons.

https://photographylife.com/mirrorless-vs-dslr/
Another somewhat biased article assuming that mirrorless is actually better with a few factual errors included which shows some fundamental lack of understanding and reduces the credibility of the author. However moderately balanced as a pros and cons overview.

https://www.theverge.com/2015/4/2/8329205/nikon-1-j5-announced-price-specs

Just a single product focused article that adds no value. All companies introduce lack lustre products including Sony.

My issue with you Cholly is not your belief in mirrorless systems, as I have said repeatedly I expect them to become the future in some form or other, just not what we have now and not for a few years yet. The issue for me is your unrelenting advocacy for Sony over all others. Sure you like Sony, but you present as a snake oil salesman, lacking in credibility, and even if not being paid by Sony you still present as a shill for the company. Sony is doing good stuff currently but that is no guarantee of future success, and at least for myself your overly strong advocacy is a complete turnoff. Just the same as anyone who always espouses Canon, Nikon or any other vendor as the one and only solution.

The articles you cited, although each flawed in some way or other were much more balanced than your typical posts. When I see a Cholly post my reaction is simply: "SONY blah,blah,blah,blah, SONY, blah,blah,blah,blah, SONY EXCELLENT, blah,blah,blah,blah, SONY RULES, blah,blah,blah,blah....

My reaction is simply ignore, delete, not worth paying attention to as it is clearly unreasonably biased. Is that what you are trying to achieve? It prejudices me against SONY, not in favor of the company, just more marketing BS, not reasoned analysis.

I will continue to consider you as a Sony shill until I see a more balanced approach from you, and I don't see you saying the same things as "most of the others in the thread", except of course for the ones that you agree with!