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Jun 21, 2012 18:31:49   #
TomballLegend Loc: Tomball, Texas
 
anotherview wrote:
Your question re the keeper to dud ratio of one's pictures has devolved to yet another round of drivel over infatuation with cameras and lenses. How many times do the snobs and the lesser souls have to hear that the cameraman and his skills produce the worthy photograph, not the photography gear?

The picture here I offer as an example of what kind of photograph may result even with a point and shoot camera (Canon SD1200) given just a moderate skill level. Moral: Look to improving your photography skills over lusting for more and better gear, and talking about it.
Tina wrote:
If post-processing was completely removed from the equation (in thought and deed), what percentage of your pictures would you consider keepers and what is your level of experience? Include the type of photography you do as well.

I have heard that my expectations may be too high. And that, most photographers are well pleased with only a small margin of the pictures that they actually shoot. Having as little as 10 keepers out of 100 pictures is supposed to be more realistic. I'm just wondering if my expectations are too high as an amateur. Because if that's the rule of thumb, the standard seems to be pretty low. Sometimes, I sit and wait patiently to capture ideal moments of wildlife activity (ie., waterfowl) just to be disappointed with the quality of the shots. Yesterday, I went out in my backyard to shoot a few pictures of some flowers and bees just to return disappointed with the entire outcome. Lessons learned from that experience: If you're trying to capture bees pollinating flowers, it may also be easier with flowering plant(s) rather than a flowering tree. The have too many options when a tree is in full blossom (lol).
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Jun 21, 2012 18:49:04   #
TomballLegend Loc: Tomball, Texas
 
Hey Freedom,WITH SEDITIOUS COMMENTS LIKE THAT, NO WONDER YOU ARE IN HIDING. I used to have a butterfly making love to a flower from my garden as an avitar---after shots from Canon and Nikon Pro Wannabees that rivalled the cannons from the 1812 Overture, I changed to my current area 51 sign. Don't ask how I got it nor how close I was to the run way. Since you are in hiding, you might want me to send you a copy.

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Jun 21, 2012 20:01:10   #
rebride
 
'I changed to my current area 51 sign.'
PIXChuck,

Noticed your avatar the other day. Thought you might dig this. Used it as a profile pix on another site.



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Jun 21, 2012 20:03:08   #
Santa Fe Rose
 
Another beautiful shot, anotherview. I am new at photography, but not to snapshots. I love the snapshots my Canon gave me, and know the photographs I hope to take will please me as well.

I recently purchased a Nikon D300s at the urging of my mentor from the camera club I just joined, as she has one and wants to show me how to photograph and process HDR.

I love the snapshots from the Nikon and, newbie that I am, cannot tell which camera I used. Learning to take photographs to me is that: learning = study, practice, time and a lot of UHH and luck.

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Jun 21, 2012 20:42:42   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Thank you for the kind words re my photograph.

Again, I encourage you to take a workshop (usually only part of a day) instructing beginners how to operate a camera for good results. The workshop will familiarize you with camera operation, and give you confidence to build on. In brief, the workshop will ease your learning curve.

BTW: I never took a workshop; instead, I struggled on my own to teach myself how to do photography. Looking back, though, I see now I could've benefitted from such a workshop.

You could skip the workshop, and go to these two Web sites for instruction:

Aperture, ISO and Shutter Speed – The Good Kind of Threesome:

http://www.cameraporn.net/2007/12/24/aperture-iso-and-shutter-speed-the-good-kind-of-threesome/

The SLR Camera Simulator:

http://camerasim.com/camera-simulator/

Good luck!
Santa Fe Rose wrote:
Another beautiful shot, anotherview. I am new at photography, but not to snapshots. I love the snapshots my Canon gave me, and know the photographs I hope to take will please me as well.

I recently purchased a Nikon D300s at the urging of my mentor from the camera club I just joined, as she has one and wants to show me how to photograph and process HDR.

I love the snapshots from the Nikon and, newbie that I am, cannot tell which camera I used. Learning to take photographs to me is that: learning = study, practice, time and a lot of UHH and luck.
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Jun 21, 2012 22:51:48   #
Phreedom Loc: Kitchener, Ontario, Canada
 
PIXChuck wrote:
Hey Freedom,WITH SEDITIOUS COMMENTS LIKE THAT, NO WONDER YOU ARE IN HIDING. I used to have a butterfly making love to a flower from my garden as an avitar---after shots from Canon and Nikon Pro Wannabees that rivalled the cannons from the 1812 Overture, I changed to my current area 51 sign. Don't ask how I got it nor how close I was to the run way. Since you are in hiding, you might want me to send you a copy.


Getting into Area 51 is easy.
Getting back out with photo evidence is hard.



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Jun 21, 2012 23:49:16   #
TomballLegend Loc: Tomball, Texas
 
Added to my collection. Thanks Rebride..........C

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Jun 21, 2012 23:52:30   #
DCHigley Loc: Ashtabula, OH originally
 
birdpix wrote:
As a bird and wildlife photographer, my "keeper" rate is very low; 5-10%. What I have found, though, is that as my skills improved, I became more choosy about what I would keep. More of the photos would be technically perfect but there was something I didn't like about the pose: the bird was looking the wrong way or didn't have a catchlight in it's eye or was a multiple of almost the same pose etc.


I am similar to this... Most of mine are a duplicate or very close. I tend to take several shots of the same scene, animal, building, bridge, chair, whatever... With digital, it is just as easy to get what you want multiple times and kill the dupes.

I think what I mean is, I take MANY insurance shots. Normally, I would say I keep 30% or more as far as far as "good shots", but then because I took 20 of them to make sure I got it, I get rid of 18 or 19 of them. Normally, I keep at least one of the first 4 and the rest go. The first 4 I consider 2 because I use the ADL bracketing which takes 2 in a bracket. So, basically, I keep one of the first 2…

When I first started out, I was stingy like I was with film. Then, after missing a couple shots I thought would have been great, I decided that the insurance shots were free, so why not take them. Now it is just how I take photographs.

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Jun 21, 2012 23:53:25   #
TomballLegend Loc: Tomball, Texas
 
Phreedom wrote:
PIXChuck wrote:
Hey Freedom,WITH SEDITIOUS COMMENTS LIKE THAT, NO WONDER YOU ARE IN HIDING. I used to have a butterfly making love to a flower from my garden as an avitar---after shots from Canon and Nikon Pro Wannabees that rivalled the cannons from the 1812 Overture, I changed to my current area 51 sign. Don't ask how I got it nor how close I was to the run way. Since you are in hiding, you might want me to send you a copy.


Getting into Area 51 is easy.
Getting back out with photo evidence is hard.
quote=PIXChuck Hey Freedom,WITH SEDITIOUS COMMENT... (show quote)


I see you been there and done it? I got there and was paid for it. Then there was the AEC facility that demanded all "outsiders" be blindfolded, accompanied by guide to "need to know" area.

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Jun 22, 2012 00:31:49   #
angelcamp Loc: Angels Camp, California
 
I was taught to take a bunch of photos always, because film was cheap - to take a bunch of photos is even cheaper with digital. I would think 10 keepers out of 100 shots is pretty darn close.

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Jun 22, 2012 02:13:14   #
tyronet2000 Loc: Northumberland UK
 
On my last shoot in the garden, playing about with a 55-300mm I kept 4 images out of 45, which is about par for me, still learning what all the functions and settings on the camera do. :)

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Jun 22, 2012 04:40:42   #
Richard94611 Loc: Oakland, CA
 
(I AM DEFINITELY NOT CONFIDENT ENOUGH ABOUT MY TECHNICAL ABILITIES TO DO WEDDING PHOTOGRAPHY.

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Jun 22, 2012 05:41:51   #
oldmalky Loc: West Midlands,England.
 
Seems we are back with keepers, five of the last few photographs i took were blurred but i kept them as they were the only pics i had of a butterfly i had never seen before, I was very disappointed with the end result and of course it was my fault as i have just realised it should have been taken on Macro and I had plenty of time to change the setting but i just forgot,If I had brains I could be dangerous.

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Jun 22, 2012 12:56:52   #
TomballLegend Loc: Tomball, Texas
 
oldmalky wrote:
Seems we are back with keepers, five of the last few photographs i took were blurred but i kept them as they were the only pics i had of a butterfly i had never seen before, I was very disappointed with the end result and of course it was my fault as i have just realised it should have been taken on Macro and I had plenty of time to change the setting but i just forgot,If I had brains I could be dangerous.


>>>CTP: Wasn't it PoGo who said, "We have met the enemy and he is US?" Think you might be YOUR worst critic?....C

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Jun 22, 2012 13:45:39   #
macawman Loc: Long Island New York
 
10 out of a 100 is about right for me. If you are looking for that one great shot and it's one out of 100 didn't you accomplish what you wanted? I like to wonder about things like this :)

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