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Apr 22, 2017 15:26:46   #
Tom G Loc: Atlanta, GA
 
The short answer is: Subject Matter, Composition, and Light, not necessarily in that order.

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Apr 22, 2017 15:40:19   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
Upon a very rare occasion I may get a few shots that are just perfect SOCC, but since I shoot only raw, I guess one could argue that all my images are processed in some way. As a sports action shooter my concentration is on getting the shot I want with a great background or at least one I can live with, but as a game progresses I lose a lot of control to my environment. Therefore, most all of my shots have received some individual processing and my goal, while shooting, is to minimize what must be done to get a useable shot by getting it as right as I can in-camera. One advantage of the film days was the ability to drop off 30 or 40 rolls at the pro lab and let them do my post processing for me. When I got the prints back, I sorted out the not-so-hot shots and turned in the rest to the client. Now that entire process is on me and my time so I often ask myself why so many shots were necessary! Just a different way of looking at the same thing. Best of luck to all.

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Apr 22, 2017 15:57:24   #
ebbote Loc: Hockley, Texas
 
Good to hear from you T, it has been a while since I have heard from you. Thanks from taking the time to follow all my postings, actually that is very complimentary that I am so important that you have singled me out to follow all my posts, keep it up.
tdekany wrote:
You may not have time to post process, but I think that is due to spending your time complimenting way too many snapshot shooters on UHH. I mean no matter what the picture is you are leaving positive feedback-kind of like being every bodies dad. With the amount of posts that you have here, time is not what you are lacking.

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Apr 22, 2017 16:04:34   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
tdekany wrote:
You may not have time to post process, but I think that is due to spending your time complimenting way too many snapshot shooters on UHH. I mean no matter what the picture is you are leaving positive feedback-kind of like being every bodies dad. With the amount of posts that you have here, time is not what you are lacking.

Oh my goodness. I just took a look. No wonder he has so many posts. Almost every one seems to be a short enthusiastic one sentence compliment with no constructive suggestions. To be fair, I like a number of the images he commented on.

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Apr 22, 2017 16:07:14   #
RickL Loc: Vail, Az
 
Jim Bob wrote:
Exactly. Too many sanctimonious bastards inhabit this site.


You could use some counseling

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Apr 22, 2017 16:14:43   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
ebbote wrote:
Straight Out Of The Camera


ebbote....Considering the number of photos I considered throwaways in my film days....s definitely could stand for another not so nice word....and they all cost me about 50 cents apiece back then.

As I go back and look at those old photos, I remember that I used to get what I'd call 2 real keepers in every roll. However, now I find that some of those other photos have more meaning to me today than they did when I took them.

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Apr 22, 2017 16:17:57   #
ebbote Loc: Hockley, Texas
 
That is the same reason I didn't like to waste film.

SteveR wrote:
ebbote....Considering the number of photos I considered throwaways in my film days....s definitely could stand for another not so nice word....and they all cost me about 50 cents apiece back then.

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Apr 22, 2017 16:21:20   #
par4fore Loc: Bay Shore N.Y.
 
Gene51 wrote:
I think the argument starts with image 1 and ends with image 3. Image one does not have anything blown out. Even the clouds retain some details. This is pretty much a perfect exposure, in the sense that all the components were captured in order to create a good looking shot. This is an example of why post processing is a necessary skill. The jpg would either be blown out in important areas, or dark, as this one is. There is no way this scene could be "properly" captured with no intent on post processing.

Image 3 fully exploits what was captured, and clearly without a ton of work or time spent on the image. It clearly shows what Kymarto "saw" when he took it, or more appropriately what he wanted us to see.

The comparison is not all that different in concept from this:

http://www.kevinshick.com/blog/2013/4/revisiting-hernandez-nm

There are those who, for whatever reason, will view the camera as a means of recording reality. And there is certainly a number of disciplines where this is important - photojournalism, reportage, forensics, etc. For this group nothing but SOOC will do. But there are others who view the camera as a creative tool, and view a raw file as an opportunity to express their creativity.

One is not necessarily "better" than the other. But I much prefer the creative approach to the "documentarian" approach. There is more "luck" involved in capturing a moment using SOOC, and there are far more limitations, particularly with regards to subjects of high contrast etc, than there are when you approach photography as a creative medium. Just sayin'
I think the argument starts with image 1 and ends ... (show quote)



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Apr 22, 2017 16:23:29   #
Boxcar21
 
I do post-processing all the time. I've never been able to capture an image and use it "SOOC" Here is my latest:





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Apr 22, 2017 16:24:43   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
There are times when dark shadows and bright highlights suit the shot because it's part of the story or it's the intended look (dramatic). However, these are very specific circumstances, and I would say that as a more general rule the eye prefers not having to peer into darkly shadowed areas or glaringly bright highlights.

As has already been mentioned, the eye/brain combo does its own processing (compensating for highlights/shadows), but the camera doesn't do that (except in HDR mode). I would say that in most cases there's something to be said for taking a shot closer to what the eye sees as opposed to leaving it as the literal capture that the camera gives us.

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Apr 22, 2017 16:53:53   #
DeanS Loc: Capital City area of North Carolina
 
The SOOC discussion pops up frequently on UHH. I am generally amazed that it continues unabated, since there has been an ongoing, unresolved dispute since about the 1860's or so. Let's see, who disagrees with those who put cream in their coffee? Oh, I know, those who take it SOOP. That's straight out of pot. 😎😎😎

I guess as long as we have the physical device, the camera, we will just have to live with the two sided coin, sooc or pp. Some day, according to the itch of my left nu, eh ear, we will be taking images just with our brains and eyes, storing them in the "cloud" with instant retreival. Write it down, you saw it first posted by DeanS!

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Apr 22, 2017 16:58:52   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
When I shoot it's subject, lighting, background. After I shoot and when I present the image it's interest, composition, technique.
Tom G wrote:
The short answer is: Subject Matter, Composition, and Light, not necessarily in that order.

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Apr 22, 2017 17:04:00   #
mrpentaxk5ii
 
Raw vs JPEG has been talked about since the days of early DSLR's, I understand all about getting more data in a raw file. For the 8 plus years that I have been using a DSLR I have used JPEG as my file capture. I have set my camera to the JPEG fine and all the other as a Natural capture, I photograph a wide range of subjects and all ways process my files on my computer. During the time that I have been on UHH I have posted alot of my work, and I can say much of it is now printed and framed by myself, some of wich I have sold and many that hang in my home.. The photos that I have posted from my trip to Maine and Cape Cod are still up for people to look over and comment on. What ever file you choose let your photographs inspire you and others to keep shooting. The photo posted came from a trip to Aruba.


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Apr 22, 2017 17:35:00   #
lmTrying Loc: WV Northern Panhandle
 
I know one professional wedding photographer I would not ask. Shot my niece's wedding. To me everything looked over exposed. And she cut the tops off everyone's heads.

Don't know if it happened when she squeezed the shutter or the mouse.

Would you call that, professional?

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Apr 22, 2017 17:36:45   #
trklover
 
I`m a jppeg shooter. Dial in the settings I want my camera to do for me. My goal when shooting is for the 10 thousand word accolade. Not the 2 word statement, aww chit! Photography is very enjoyable, and its fun to paint with my camera. My theme when shooting is to capture shapes`shadows.

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