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Apr 19, 2017 12:03:49   #
songoftheramapos
 
When I shot film yes Make th shot a good one.Once I went digital I wondered why I waited so long! I met a gentleman last week taking pics of rushing water.Turns out he was using an old Minolta xgm. film cam with a 24mm lens.and had no interest in going digital even after he wanted 2 see my 80d!

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Apr 19, 2017 13:01:36   #
cambriaman Loc: Central CA Coast
 
I shoot RAW and use a Nikon D800e. My compositional skills are well developed after 63 years of practice. I don't "machine-gun" the scenes. I take my time and take a few and always seem too have the vision I had at the scene when I need it. 'Nuff said, for me.

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Apr 19, 2017 13:13:15   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
cambriaman wrote:
I shoot RAW and use a Nikon D800e. My compositional skills are well developed after 63 years of practice. I don't "machine-gun" the scenes. I take my time and take a few and always seem too have the vision I had at the scene when I need it. 'Nuff said, for me.

I'm guessing that most of your images are not of sporting events, races, birds in flight, fast moving wildlife, or other fast moving event photography. Those are the areas where high speed continuous mode come into play. Taking your time and taking a few often doesn't work well when your subjects are moving fast and erratically. You lose the luxury of time for careful composition.

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Apr 19, 2017 15:27:48   #
sploppert Loc: Rochester, NY
 
mwsilvers wrote:
I'm guessing that most of your images are not of sporting events, races, birds in flight, fast moving wildlife, or other fast moving event photography. Those are the areas where high speed continuous mode come into play. Taking your time and taking a few often doesn't work well when your subjects are moving fast and erratically. You lose the luxury of time for careful composition.


I think a lot of people are not reading the original question. He is talking about wedding photographers, not sport or wild life photographers. People should read the question before making a statement that has nothing to do with the original post.

" Why do a lot of digital photogs take an excessive number of shots? As a professional from film days we made every shot count. These days as a working retired photographer I still live by that untold rule "Make every shot count" Just because we have motors and the cost is down do we really need a thousand wedding shots when 200 actually covers it? I know there are a lot out there that feel the need to do the 1000. From the images I now see in the windows of a good photo studio or in their web site I have found that they are just not making good first shots and that they are just counting on one good one out of many. This is fine if you are a beginner so why shoot thousands when that first 100 should have been made to count? "
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Apr 19, 2017 15:32:19   #
sploppert Loc: Rochester, NY
 
I think a lot of people are not reading the original question. He is talking about wedding photographers, not sport or wild life photographers. People should read the question before making a statement that has nothing to do with the original post.

" Why do a lot of digital photogs take an excessive number of shots? As a professional from film days we made every shot count. These days as a working retired photographer I still live by that untold rule "Make every shot count" Just because we have motors and the cost is down do we really need a thousand wedding shots when 200 actually covers it? I know there are a lot out there that feel the need to do the 1000. From the images I now see in the windows of a good photo studio or in their web site I have found that they are just not making good first shots and that they are just counting on one good one out of many. This is fine if you are a beginner so why shoot thousands when that first 100 should have been made to count? "
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Apr 19, 2017 15:36:59   #
sploppert Loc: Rochester, NY
 
mborn wrote:
with wildlife, I take many images you can capture an unusual event get a better head angle etc. Yes, it takes longer to review but you can end up with a better saver. Recently I photographed water coming over the dam in burst mode and caught a herring preparing to jump. If I had not shot in burst mode would not have captured this action


I think a lot of people are not reading the original question. He is talking about wedding photographers, not sport or wild life photographers. People should read the question before making a statement that has nothing to do with the original post.

" Why do a lot of digital photogs take an excessive number of shots? As a professional from film days we made every shot count. These days as a working retired photographer I still live by that untold rule "Make every shot count" Just because we have motors and the cost is down do we really need a thousand wedding shots when 200 actually covers it? I know there are a lot out there that feel the need to do the 1000. From the images I now see in the windows of a good photo studio or in their web site I have found that they are just not making good first shots and that they are just counting on one good one out of many. This is fine if you are a beginner so why shoot thousands when that first 100 should have been made to count? "
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Apr 19, 2017 15:53:26   #
sploppert Loc: Rochester, NY
 
norm4797 wrote:
When photographing wildlife, especially birds or other very active creatures, it is impossible to predict movement of the subject. Taking multiple shots gives insurance that an interesting pose will not be missed. This is one of the great advantages of digital photography.


I think a lot of people are not reading the original question. He is talking about wedding photographers, not sport or wild life photographers. People should read the question before making a statement that has nothing to do with the original post.

" Why do a lot of digital photogs take an excessive number of shots? As a professional from film days we made every shot count. These days as a working retired photographer I still live by that untold rule "Make every shot count" Just because we have motors and the cost is down do we really need a thousand wedding shots when 200 actually covers it? I know there are a lot out there that feel the need to do the 1000. From the images I now see in the windows of a good photo studio or in their web site I have found that they are just not making good first shots and that they are just counting on one good one out of many. This is fine if you are a beginner so why shoot thousands when that first 100 should have been made to count? "
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Apr 19, 2017 15:57:17   #
sploppert Loc: Rochester, NY
 
robertjerl wrote:
Being careful to only get a proper shot works for some things. Not so much for others.
I do a lot of birds, bursts are my friends. Set it up, focus etc then do a burst. Why? because there is no human on earth fast enough to keep up with all the movement, contortions etc.
Same thing for sports photographers. The poster who did horses jumping, it was a fixed spot. Get set up and then from experience shot at the proper time. Try that with football, basketball, soccer, race cars etc. You would be missing the action on most of the playing field/court. Yes, you could get some great jump shots (as an example) but I am willing to bet that there were a lot of "moments" just before or after the one you get that would be as good or better. With a burst you get a chance and a choice of those moments.
One of the main reason we have the standard types of shots is the fact that film photography dictated the prefocus and time your shot at a spot (like under the basket) and that is what we got used to seeing.

As to those film days. Many NFL and other sports pros used 100' roll film drums and a motor drive, then did more than one drum for an important game/event.

I once read an article by a Nat Geo Photographer who shot nearly 300 rolls of film for one assignment. Results, less than 20 images published in the magazine (I think it was 12 or 13, but I read it a long time ago.)

The ability to use bursts with digital is just another tool we now have. It can be well used or poorly used.

Just thought of a reason to use burst on landscapes (besides our California moving landscapes called earthquakes). Landscape with many people or animals, flocks of water birds comes to mind. Set everything up for a good exposure and then when the birds are taking off or landing use a slow speed burst to get a choice of patterns of the birds as they shift around in what amounts to a cloud of birds. Some of them will be better than others.
Being careful to only get a proper shot works for ... (show quote)


I think a lot of people are not reading the original question. He is talking about wedding photographers, not sport or wild life photographers. People should read the question before making a statement that has nothing to do with the original post.

" Why do a lot of digital photogs take an excessive number of shots? As a professional from film days we made every shot count. These days as a working retired photographer I still live by that untold rule "Make every shot count" Just because we have motors and the cost is down do we really need a thousand wedding shots when 200 actually covers it? I know there are a lot out there that feel the need to do the 1000. From the images I now see in the windows of a good photo studio or in their web site I have found that they are just not making good first shots and that they are just counting on one good one out of many. This is fine if you are a beginner so why shoot thousands when that first 100 should have been made to count? "
drklrd

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Apr 19, 2017 15:57:51   #
sploppert Loc: Rochester, NY
 
kymarto wrote:
Check sports photography pre- and post- digital and you will see shots now published routinely that would not have been imaginable a few decades ago.


I think a lot of people are not reading the original question. He is talking about wedding photographers, not sport or wild life photographers. People should read the question before making a statement that has nothing to do with the original post.

" Why do a lot of digital photogs take an excessive number of shots? As a professional from film days we made every shot count. These days as a working retired photographer I still live by that untold rule "Make every shot count" Just because we have motors and the cost is down do we really need a thousand wedding shots when 200 actually covers it? I know there are a lot out there that feel the need to do the 1000. From the images I now see in the windows of a good photo studio or in their web site I have found that they are just not making good first shots and that they are just counting on one good one out of many. This is fine if you are a beginner so why shoot thousands when that first 100 should have been made to count? "
drklrd

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Apr 19, 2017 16:04:31   #
sploppert Loc: Rochester, NY
 
billnikon wrote:
BIF take thousands to get one great one, thank God for digital and super large and super fast memory cards. Love to hear my D4s grind away at 11fps.


I think a lot of people are not reading the original question. He is talking about wedding photographers, not sport or wild life photographers. People should read the question before making a statement that has nothing to do with the original post.

" Why do a lot of digital photogs take an excessive number of shots? As a professional from film days we made every shot count. These days as a working retired photographer I still live by that untold rule "Make every shot count" Just because we have motors and the cost is down do we really need a thousand wedding shots when 200 actually covers it? I know there are a lot out there that feel the need to do the 1000. From the images I now see in the windows of a good photo studio or in their web site I have found that they are just not making good first shots and that they are just counting on one good one out of many. This is fine if you are a beginner so why shoot thousands when that first 100 should have been made to count? "
drklrd

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Apr 19, 2017 16:13:20   #
sploppert Loc: Rochester, NY
 
ppage wrote:
You haven't shot a lot of wildlife or action maybe. The Canon 7D MII and the Nikon D500 are professional grade crop sensor cameras. They are prized by professional wildlife and sports photographers for their frame rate of 10 fps. This frame rate is indispensable for getting that osprey smashing into the water and lifting off clutching a fish or the fluke of a whale that is ever so briefly exposed before disappearing or the bat connecting with a ball or the basketball swooshing through the net. Of course exposure has to be correct. That's a given. Nobody is claiming that a burst rate make you better photographer or somehow replaces mastery of the exposure triangle It is just a tool among many but a special one that allows us to capture action than is much faster than even our eyes can fully recognize.
You haven't shot a lot of wildlife or action maybe... (show quote)


I think a lot of people are not reading the original question. He is talking about wedding photographers, not sport or wild life photographers. People should read the question before making a statement that has nothing to do with the original post.

" Why do a lot of digital photogs take an excessive number of shots? As a professional from film days we made every shot count. These days as a working retired photographer I still live by that untold rule "Make every shot count" Just because we have motors and the cost is down do we really need a thousand wedding shots when 200 actually covers it? I know there are a lot out there that feel the need to do the 1000. From the images I now see in the windows of a good photo studio or in their web site I have found that they are just not making good first shots and that they are just counting on one good one out of many. This is fine if you are a beginner so why shoot thousands when that first 100 should have been made to count? "
drklrd

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Apr 21, 2017 08:02:09   #
Dun1 Loc: Atlanta, GA
 
If you don't take or shoot the shot, if don't shoot the shot you certainly edit it, if sell your work and don't shoot or edit the shot you certainly can't sell the shot.
If you shoot several or many shots, there are shots you may like more than others, shots ya fall in love with and think everyone else will also. Not everyone is going to love every shot you take, they may find a shot or shots that you think are lousy or do not like for many reasons. Many of people are not as critical as others and might find a shot or shot they think are the greatest.
Sports shooters strive during baseball season to get the bat on a ball shot, or baseball on bat. I takes practice and timing to get a good shot that combination, where the batter, the bat and baseball are in focus well enough to see the results.
I have taken as many photos as I could get of a batter hitting, in an attempt to see what might be causing that batter to be in a slump. There are sports shooters that have taken classes on how to diagnose mistakes hitters, pitchers, or players might be making out of a force of habit. These shots can be used to show a hitting coach so instruction on how to correct an issue.
The wedding photography today usually requires three photographers. One primary photographer, a second shooter, and in most cases a third capturing video. Until the edit process takes neither shooter may not have an idea of what, or how many the other photographers took

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Apr 21, 2017 13:37:05   #
wj cody Loc: springfield illinois
 
terry44 wrote:
I think the answer may be as simple as we can. I was a Navy Photographer in Vietnam and I agree it is the best to get the shot correct right in camera instead of manipulating the shot post process in the darkroom. I think we need to stick with the adage or maybe it's a rule to fill the frame as well as we can. Digital for some reason was harder for me than film (I sometimes still shoot film) for some reason and I am many times guilty of firing off to many shots. Imagine how long our shutters would work if we did as we did in film, as the mechanism goes to 100000, 200000, and more before they are in danger of failure. I am working at this moment to get myself back to filling the frame and getting settings correct in camera it is a great exercise to get back to the basics.
I think the answer may be as simple as we can. I ... (show quote)


good for you - all the best!

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Apr 21, 2017 17:46:25   #
axiesdad Loc: Monticello, Indiana
 
It seems like a better question might be why does one photographer concern himself with the shooting technique of another. Unless I am trying to learn something from one of the millions of photographers who are better/more experienced than me or trying to help a newbie who has asked me for advice, the only photographer whose technique matters to me is me. Someone else's spray and pray does me no harm.

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Apr 21, 2017 18:24:45   #
Marionsho Loc: Kansas
 
axiesdad wrote:
It seems like a better question might be why does one photographer concern himself with the shooting technique of another. Unless I am trying to learn something from one of the millions of photographers who are better/more experienced than me or trying to help a newbie who has asked me for advice, the only photographer whose technique matters to me is me. Someone else's spray and pray does me no harm.


According to some photo instructors, if you use continuous mode and take three shots, as apposed to one, the likelihood of the second shot being unsharp, due to camera shake, is nil. Another photographer figured this out. I am one of the benefactors. I actually learned from the shooting technique of another. I wished I was in your shoes, and am absolutely sure I don't need to concern myself with the shooting technique of another.

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