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Apr 12, 2017 18:48:36   #
MsLala Loc: Kingston, NY
 
dirtpusher wrote:
There three places trump won't attack. Russia Iran an now Syria.



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Apr 12, 2017 19:15:28   #
phcaan Loc: Willow Springs, MO
 
Keenan wrote:
Try to keep up with the conversation. We are talking about Trump, not "any other politician".

Oh wait, I forgot. "Mommy, s/he did it first" is the only way you know how to respond when you can't defend Trump's behavior or dishonesty.

Oh, piss off you sour old pervert.

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Apr 12, 2017 19:44:34   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
MsLala wrote:
Steven,
Just because I may be a liberal or in this instance believe in the liberal ideology more so than the conservative right, doesn't mean I'm ignorant to the fact that we as a country can not defeat all those out to ambush or breakdown our American spirit. Throughout Trump's campaign he spoke many times in how we didn't need NATO, the UN or our ally supporters, specifically when he spoke of Mexico and that horrendous wall, when in all actuality we do. With N. Korea rallying, Syria, with Putin standing firm behind them, and god only knows which terrorist group is plotting against us now, we are very vulnerable. Rather than break ties with our allies and pissing off various diplomats and chancellors, Trump and his administration needs to learn how to work systematically with them so that we don't end up in another war or police action so that we save lives rather than ship coffins home.
Laura
Steven, br Just because I may be a liberal or in t... (show quote)


You just don't get it do you? NATO and the UN both are behaving differently after Trump made the statements that he made, the member nations of NATO had been shirking their responsibilities and not funding their defense to the levels they committed to when they signed on for NATO, they were bilking the American taxpayers to pay for their country's defense, Trump said enough is enough, we don't really need NATO under these terms, since Trump threatened to withdraw from NATO or reconsider our commitment to NATO member countries are recommitting to their defense budgets, and if they don't then Trump would be wholly justified and reexamining the US commitment to NATO. So far it seems that things are working out pretty well, there was a press conference today with the head of NATO where he acknowledged Trumps strong position on "burden sharing". America can't be expected to toe the line for Europe and Asia, but that has how it has been ever since the end of WWII and it is not fair to the American taxpayer and to the generations which will follow us, Trump has scored a homerun on his stance on NATO, they are working on strengthening NATO and member country's understand that the US does expect them to meet their obligations to the alliance, something that no other president has done.

As far as the UN goes, until they take themselves seriously and stop putting countries where sharia law is practiced at the head of the human rights council, or stop allowing countries like Venezuela to participate on human rights committees, or if they continue to insist on bashing Israel while backing Hamas... well then they to are pretty useless and the fact that we pay about 30% of the cost of the UN, it does not seem in the interest of the American people to continue with the farce that is the UN. Trump is having an impact there as well, Nicky Haley was an excellent choice and has had a great impact on the way that the UN is doing business. Again, we pay the freight while other countries bilk the American taxpayers. Trump is putting an end to this.

I wonder what you will complain about when Trump gets the economy going, probably too much traffic.

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Apr 12, 2017 19:49:16   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
dirtpusher wrote:
There three places trump won't attack. Russia Iran an now Syria.


You're an idiot, Trump has no fear of Syria or Iran, he does however understand the consequences of a war against a significant military and he has learned from the blunders of both Bush and Obama of the on going commitment of winning such a war in an unstable part of the world.

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Apr 12, 2017 19:54:42   #
dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
You're an idiot, Trump has no fear of Syria or Iran, he does however understand the consequences of a war against a significant military and he has learned from the blunders of both Bush and Obama of the on going commitment of winning such a war in an unstable part of the world.


Syria not the real prblm. Russia n Iran . He puullin stakes.

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Apr 12, 2017 20:06:04   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
dirtpusher wrote:
Syria not the real prblm. Russia n Iran . He puullin stakes.


I don't disagree with that, it would not be smart to get too involved in the Syrian situation, but at some point he may have to do something to lesson the abilities of Russia and Iran in that area, Obama really screwed the pooch in the middle east with his lead from behind bullshit, how TF can you lead from behind? And yes, Dirt, Bush made a mess in Iraq but Obama managed to screw that up even further. Now Russia and Iran are the strongest force in the middle east, and the cost for us to regain our prominence there may come with a heavy price tag, Iran and Russia are a threat to the region and its stability.

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Apr 12, 2017 20:35:13   #
Steven Seward Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
You just don't get it do you? NATO and the UN both are behaving differently after Trump made the statements that he made, the member nations of NATO had been shirking their responsibilities and not funding their defense to the levels they committed to when they signed on for NATO, they were bilking the American taxpayers to pay for their country's defense, Trump said enough is enough, we don't really need NATO under these terms, since Trump threatened to withdraw from NATO or reconsider our commitment to NATO member countries are recommitting to their defense budgets, and if they don't then Trump would be wholly justified and reexamining the US commitment to NATO. So far it seems that things are working out pretty well, there was a press conference today with the head of NATO where he acknowledged Trumps strong position on "burden sharing". America can't be expected to toe the line for Europe and Asia, but that has how it has been ever since the end of WWII and it is not fair to the American taxpayer and to the generations which will follow us, Trump has scored a homerun on his stance on NATO, they are working on strengthening NATO and member country's understand that the US does expect them to meet their obligations to the alliance, something that no other president has done.

As far as the UN goes, until they take themselves seriously and stop putting countries where sharia law is practiced at the head of the human rights council, or stop allowing countries like Venezuela to participate on human rights committees, or if they continue to insist on bashing Israel while backing Hamas... well then they to are pretty useless and the fact that we pay about 30% of the cost of the UN, it does not seem in the interest of the American people to continue with the farce that is the UN. Trump is having an impact there as well, Nicky Haley was an excellent choice and has had a great impact on the way that the UN is doing business. Again, we pay the freight while other countries bilk the American taxpayers. Trump is putting an end to this.

I wonder what you will complain about when Trump gets the economy going, probably too much traffic.
You just don't get it do you? NATO and the UN both... (show quote)

Well put Blurr. I let her comments on the U.N and NATO pass on that post, figuring someone like you would chime in.

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Apr 12, 2017 21:15:50   #
dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
I don't disagree with that, it would not be smart to get too involved in the Syrian situation, but at some point he may have to do something to lesson the abilities of Russia and Iran in that area, Obama really screwed the pooch in the middle east with his lead from behind bullshit, how TF can you lead from behind? And yes, Dirt, Bush made a mess in Iraq but Obama managed to screw that up even further. Now Russia and Iran are the strongest force in the middle east, and the cost for us to regain our prominence there may come with a heavy price tag, Iran and Russia are a threat to the region and its stability.
I don't disagree with that, it would not be smart ... (show quote)


Wrong repuke Congress screwed everything up. In 2013

An bush setup all the withdrawl dates.

You haven't got a leg to stand on. Repukes wanted the whole show.

An see what happened.

Bush said the war was over. Lol

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Apr 12, 2017 22:49:52   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
dirtpusher wrote:
Wrong repuke Congress screwed everything up. In 2013

An bush setup all the withdrawl dates.

You haven't got a leg to stand on. Repukes wanted the whole show.

An see what happened.

Bush said the war was over. Lol


You're an idiot if you really believe the bile that you spew.... Just sayin.

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Apr 12, 2017 22:54:45   #
dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
You're an idiot if you really believe the bile that you spew.... Just sayin.


But bammer did anyway in 2014.

Both are facts. One just makes wingers into liars. Is all. Lol

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Apr 12, 2017 23:31:53   #
btbg
 
John_F wrote:
In that air operations resumed from that airfield just 48 hours after the missiles shows that the attack did not achieve any strategic objective. So as a practical matter it falls into the 'rearrange the Titanic deck chairs' category. While Trump himself shouldn't be expected to have fully thought out the operation with natively possessed insight, his advisors can be faulted for not assessed all the angles. In any given situation both the strategy and tactics need careful consideration as there will always be consequences, both short and long term. This incident shows the competence of the Trump administration. The last thing to short change is the presumed intelligience of our adversaries.
In that air operations resumed from that airfield ... (show quote)


Actually we don't yet know if the attack was a success or not. If the goal was to take out any additional poison gas and the buildings that we hit were where the gas was stored then the attack may have been a success.

If the goal was to send a message to Assad that the red line that Obama said not to cross really does exist and there will be consequences if Assad steps over that line then the attack may have been a success.

Without knowing what the goal of the attack was there is no way to say if the attack was successful or not. Besides a cratered air strip can be quickly readied for use, and it looks like the military advisors suggested that they didn't even try to hit the air field itself. Obviously there was some reason for that decision.

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Apr 13, 2017 00:00:52   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
btbg wrote:
Actually we don't yet know if the attack was a success or not. If the goal was to take out any additional poison gas and the buildings that we hit were where the gas was stored then the attack may have been a success.

If the goal was to send a message to Assad that the red line that Obama said not to cross really does exist and there will be consequences if Assad steps over that line then the attack may have been a success.

Without knowing what the goal of the attack was there is no way to say if the attack was successful or not. Besides a cratered air strip can be quickly readied for use, and it looks like the military advisors suggested that they didn't even try to hit the air field itself. Obviously there was some reason for that decision.
Actually we don't yet know if the attack was a suc... (show quote)


The Poison Gas was not targeted as it could have killed many downwind. It was also stated that Tomahawks are not very good at cratering runways. My understanding was that it was a warning and a reminder that the U.S. is watching.

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Apr 13, 2017 00:18:23   #
Keenan Loc: Central Coast California
 
letmedance wrote:
The Poison Gas was not targeted as it could have killed many downwind. It was also stated that Tomahawks are not very good at cratering runways. My understanding was that it was a warning and a reminder that the U.S. is watching.


"It was also stated that Tomahawks are not very good at cratering runways?"

Where was it "stated"? That makes no sense. 1000 lb bombs make huge craters in runways. Put up or shut up.

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Apr 13, 2017 00:27:15   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
Keenan wrote:
"It was also stated that Tomahawks are not very good at cratering runways?"

Where was it "stated"? That makes no sense. 1000 lb bombs make huge craters in runways. Put up or shut up.


A quick google search.

Targets at Sharyat Air Base, which is one of the largest and most active among the Syrian air force, included aircraft, hardened aircraft shelters, fuel storage, radars, ammunition storage and air defense systems. But no mention of runways, which should have been targeted to deny use of the facility, even temporarily.

And that issue is primarily because the Tomahawk is not the right tool for the job. It’s a tool for plenty of jobs, sure, but it’s not a tool for every job. And it’s especially not a tool for what could knock an airfield out for a long time, which is runway destruction.

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Apr 13, 2017 00:32:53   #
Keenan Loc: Central Coast California
 
letmedance wrote:
A quick google search.

Targets at Sharyat Air Base, which is one of the largest and most active among the Syrian air force, included aircraft, hardened aircraft shelters, fuel storage, radars, ammunition storage and air defense systems. But no mention of runways, which should have been targeted to deny use of the facility, even temporarily.

And that issue is primarily because the Tomahawk is not the right tool for the job. It’s a tool for plenty of jobs, sure, but it’s not a tool for every job. And it’s especially not a tool for what could knock an airfield out for a long time, which is runway destruction.
A quick google search. br br Targets at Sharyat ... (show quote)


So you have nothing to evidence your claim that "it was stated..."? Thought so.

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