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Mar 28, 2017 16:07:55   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
markjay wrote:
why call the airline when you can ask here ??


Because the folks here do not work for the airlines. At least, not the last time I checked. People here will not know all the latest information concerning regs. The airlines are updated daily. I do not believe the airlines keeps UHH in the loop.

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Mar 28, 2017 16:09:28   #
Rickyb
 
If all photographers amateur or pro boycotted the airlines for 6 months, things would change rapidly. The airlines would be begging you. I had precheck in Atlanta, Georgia and had to go through the xrays 3 times. Welcome home TSA!

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Mar 28, 2017 16:10:47   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
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Mar 28, 2017 16:15:05   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
Rickyb wrote:
If all photographers amateur or pro boycotted the airlines for 6 months, things would change rapidly. The airlines would be begging you. I had precheck in Atlanta, Georgia and had to go through the xrays 3 times. Welcome home TSA!


No. They would not. Amateur and even pro photographers are not where airlines make their money. Amateurs can make any decisions they wish, but they're like all other travelers. If Pro's have a job to do then it is a business expense. You may not like the inconvenience you experienced at the airport, but if you help them do their job you get through soon enough. It's a lot more inconvenient to have an inflight incident.

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Mar 28, 2017 16:51:32   #
Eberhard Brunner Loc: Alaska
 
It would be better if people do their home work prior to posting their comments. Shipping a Pelican case with two bodies and a couple of lenses with FED-EX or UPS
from the U.S. to Nairobi cost anywhere from $15oo and above.
If you go on safari and your gear is lost what then? There is no way you can replace your gear on location. At the present the new regulation apply only if you fly from any of the airport I listed to the U.S. For example; You can fly to Dubai with your gear on board. The problem is coming back to to the U.S. Jerry -if you travel and photography is not the purpose of your trip you should not waste your (my) time posting comments. This is a photographer forum.

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Mar 28, 2017 16:56:23   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
Eberhard Brunner wrote:
It would be better if people do their home work prior to posting their comments. Shipping a Pelican case with two bodies and a couple of lenses with FED-EX or UPS
from the U.S. to Nairobi cost anywhere from $15oo and above.
If you go on safari and your gear is lost what then? There is no way you can replace your gear on location. At the present the new regulation apply only if you fly from any of the airport I listed to the U.S. For example; You can fly to Dubai with your gear on board. The problem is coming back to to the U.S. Jerry -if you travel and photography is not the purpose of your trip you should not waste your (my) time posting comments. This is a photographer forum.
It would be better if people do their home work pr... (show quote)


Most of the forum members will never have safari issues or even go to Dubai. So nobody cares about your snide comments!

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Mar 28, 2017 17:09:55   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
DaveO wrote:
Most of the forum members will never have safari issues or even go to Dubai. So nobody cares about your snide comments!


I do not agree that Eberhard's comments were snide remarks. Let me now make a snide remark, most of the people talking on this thread are merely opinionated tourists. They don't travel regularly and they have their designer Nikkors in a twist. Shipping equipment is not cheap and there are sometimes things like customs regulations to deal with, as well as insurance. That can involve delays which can be a problem. It gets more complicated to certain destinations.

There are many ways to work with the regulations, it's not normally too hard, but the regulations are the regulations, and people enforce them in differing ways.

Sometimes there is a price to pay when traveling. Sometimes you just have to pay it.

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Mar 28, 2017 17:24:47   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
Peterff wrote:
I do not agree that Eberhard's comments were snide remarks. Let me now make a snide remark, most of the people talking on this thread are merely opinionated tourists. They don't travel regularly and they have their designer Nikkors in a twist. Shipping equipment is not cheap and there are sometimes things like customs regulations to deal with, as well as insurance. That can involve delays which can be a problem. It gets more complicated to certain destinations.

There are many ways to work with the regulations, it's not normally too hard, but the regulations are the regulations, and people enforce them in differing ways.

Sometimes there is a price to pay when traveling. Sometimes you just have to pay it.
I do not agree that Eberhard's comments were snide... (show quote)


Folks who have shipped photography equipment even in CONUS can well guess that international shipping would be expensive and that was not a big issue in the thread thus far,nor were the regulations a big gripe. The OP was willing to take anybodies word in lieu of doing any research. The wrap up was the remarks to Jerry. Yes,you're right,you made a snide comment as well and it is within our rights,as is pointing out boorish behavior. When elitists rub shoulders with the proletariat (opinionated tourists)it can be rather amusing.

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Mar 28, 2017 17:54:45   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
DaveO wrote:
Folks who have shipped photography equipment even in CONUS can well guess that international shipping would be expensive and that was not a big issue in the thread thus far,nor were the regulations a big gripe. The OP was willing to take anybodies word in lieu of doing any research. The wrap up was the remarks to Jerry. Yes,you're right,you made a snide comment as well and it is within our rights,as is pointing out boorish behavior. When elitists rub shoulders with the proletariat (opinionated tourists)it can be rather amusing.
Folks who have shipped photography equipment even ... (show quote)


Hmm! This discussion was about new international regulations not the Contiguous States (CONUS) as you refer to them. It isn't about elitists either, but perhaps more about those that have experience with foreign travel, or even extensive travel within the contiguous states. In some countries 'regulations' are a bit of an 'improvisational' art form. That even happens within the contiguous 48, depending upon how each individual is perceived.

The objective is to get yourself and your equipment to the right place, at the right time, at a price you are willing to pay, and above all in one piece. Sometimes doing that requires dealing with some inexact or fluid regulations and practices.

It would be good for people with limited travel experience or desire to travel much to be aware of how the system works and how to navigate it successfully. Most of the travel woe tales that we see here are from travelers on the inexperienced end of the spectrum.

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Mar 28, 2017 18:25:59   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
Peterff wrote:
Hmm! This discussion was about new international regulations not the Contiguous States (CONUS) as you refer to them. It isn't about elitists either, but perhaps more about those that have experience with foreign travel, or even extensive travel within the contiguous states. In some countries 'regulations' are a bit of an 'improvisational' art form. That even happens within the contiguous 48, depending upon how each individual is perceived.

The objective is to get yourself and your equipment to the right place, at the right time, at a price you are willing to pay, and above all in one piece. Sometimes doing that requires dealing with some inexact or fluid regulations and practices.

It would be good for people with limited travel experience or desire to travel much to be aware of how the system works and how to navigate it successfully. Most of the travel woe tales that we see here are from travelers on the inexperienced end of the spectrum.
Hmm! This discussion was about new international ... (show quote)


I am quite aware of what the thread was about and I can't help it if you think I was implying that the rules were regarding CONUS. My point was that shipping in the US is expensive and many can imagine that it would be considerably more to ship overseas. Your condescending remark regarding the "opinionated tourists" caused my elitist label. Also,you've been around long enough to know that threads wander and some may have to exercise a litlle patience. Heck,some alluded indirectly to the United Airlines legging issue. Other than that,great response!

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Mar 28, 2017 18:35:30   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
DaveO wrote:
I am quite aware of what the thread was about and I can't help it if you think I was implying that the rules were regarding CONUS. My point was that shipping in the US is expensive and many can imagine that it would be considerably more to ship overseas. Your condescending remark regarding the "opinionated tourists" caused my elitist label. Also,you've been around long enough to know that threads wander and some may have to exercise a litlle patience. Heck,some alluded indirectly to the United Airlines legging issue. Other than that,great response!
I am quite aware of what the thread was about and ... (show quote)


Aah, I didn't think that you were implying that the thread was about the CONtiguous US any more than the American National US - do not go there! However you are correct that shipping in the US is expensive and inconvenient enough and doing so overseas opens up a whole new world of 'opportunities' to deal with. I think it was I that referred to yoga pants, and my companion had no problem on United with hers, even with a pair of international class legs! But, regulations are regulations and one needs to learn how to navigate them!

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Mar 28, 2017 18:52:19   #
Opsafari Loc: Roodepoort South Africa
 
All cheap flights from South Africa goes mainly via Dubai to the USA or UK and that's a big problem regarding camera and lenses! South Africa's airports are renowned for theft from checked-in luggage and to add a 2nd pelican lockable case for your equipment is going to be expensive! When visit say the USA or the UK you would likely want to use your DSLR and maybe two or three lenses and not a point-and-shoot camera, given that some are great! This goes for those who want to visit Southern Africa by using cheap flights. Flights too Southern Africa might not be a problem but its the return journey! In South Africa its possible to hire a camera body and lenses, available close to two major airports, not so in Botswana or in Namibia. This regulation is going to hurt our traveling industry especially the safari business! Can the securities at airports not design a device that can scan for explosives in carry-on luggage as this might be the reason for the ban? If explosives are hidden in camera equipment and manage to get the green light as checked-in luggage surely a carry-on cellphone can also trigger it!?
Regarding airline rules: best to contact them a few days before departure as rules can change daily and not rely on forums for updates! My two penny worth!

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Mar 28, 2017 19:11:14   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
Peterff wrote:
Aah, I didn't think that you were implying that the thread was about the CONtiguous US any more than the American National US - do not go there! However you are correct that shipping in the US is expensive and inconvenient enough and doing so overseas opens up a whole new world of 'opportunities' to deal with. I think it was I that referred to yoga pants, and my companion had no problem on United with hers, even with multiple international legs! But, regulations are regulations and one needs to learn how to navigate them!
Aah, I didn't think that you were implying that t... (show quote)


I love the reference to "international legs!"

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Mar 28, 2017 19:16:17   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
DaveO wrote:
I love the reference to "international legs!"


"By God you should have seen us, aboard the good ship Venus!"

Except that she was my senior marketing manager, and a consummate professional. An excellent traveling companion and still a good friend!

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Mar 28, 2017 19:27:09   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
Peterff wrote:
"By God you should have seen us, aboard the good ship Venus!"

Except that she was my senior marketing manager, and a consummate professional. An excellent traveling companion and still a good friend!


Things are getting crazier as time goes on,so I just try to adapt and skip the unacceptable when possible. I'm sure that most of us will not lose any sleep!

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