Creating a new discussion area for newbies (Page 11): Is that what I said? Anybody,anybody who portrays themselves in a manner that can make readers wary of their intent is susceptible...

DaveO Loc: Northeast CT

Jaackil wrote:

So are you saying that it is the Newbies fault they are getting rude responses to their questions?

Is that what I said? Anybody,anybody who portrays themselves in a manner that can make readers wary of their intent is susceptible to being ignored or treated poorly,rightly or wrongly. We don't have the benefit of facial expressions or intonations with written medium,but instead put forth statements that can be easily construed. Perhaps that will more clearly state my thought.

DaveO Loc: Northeast CT

Jaackil wrote:

Bill I also come from a backround in training of a subject matter that is fairly complex. Coming from an education backround, surely you have to acknowledge a forum like this is a digital form of dialogue. I have found value in being able to engage others as opposed to just looking something up. Especially where we are able to engage others who we would not have access to otherwise either due to their location or experience levels. Socrates and Harkness put a lot of value on learning through dialogue
It is not fair to assume that someone didnt do the research. Maybe they did and are looking for further clarification, or they just simply didnt understand what they looked up. Just because the information is right in front of their nose it does not mean that it is necessarily understandable to that person. There are many different learning styles and ways people learn. Is it possible that the person asking that redundant question is in fact "digging" for the information? Maybe your are right sometimes the answer does have to be what you said, but not here. Especially when no one takes the time to ask "did you look here for the information?" "Did you check this out first?" Because if you have not asked the question how do you know? I can assure you no one does that. But none of that should even be an issue, the issue is the number of people here, and I admit it is a minority, but they are a loud minority, that just can not pass a topic by rather than jump in and say something rude. It always boggles my mind with the number and variety of posts here every day why some people can not just skip over the "what is back button focus" question asked for the 1000th time. SO what if it is asked a million times. If it annoys someone why can they not just move on and ignore it. If someone does not want to answer a question for the 1000th time then don't just move on. It most definitely takes a lot more energy to click in and post something nasty than it does to just move to a post of more interest.

Bill I also come from a backround in training of a... (show quote)

SteveR Loc: Michigan

Linary wrote:

Do you mean something like this one? http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-156310-1.html#2641183

Similar. The one I imagine would include threads that would succinctly explain the crop question, dof, etc., all basic photographic questions as well. Searcher def. was on to something.

beorn80 Loc: Battle Creek, Michigan

Amen to do you doing it right!

Jaackil Loc: Massachusetts

DaveO wrote:

Is that what I said? Anybody,anybody who portrays themselves in a manner that can make readers wary of their intent is susceptible to being ignored or treated poorly,rightly or wrongly. We don't have the benefit of facial expressions or intonations with written medium,but instead put forth statements that can be easily construed. Perhaps that will more clearly state my thought.

This is what you posted. "Sometimes ones perceived attitude enhances the probability of poor responses." We are talking about Newbies questions. I asked a clarifing question to your statement.

gessman Loc: Colorado

bobbennett wrote:

One problem is that the people that have the answer may never see the question. Is it better to get the answer even if the price is humiliation? It's a tough call.

One of the biggest problems for newbies I've seen is when a presumed expert replies with a terse 3 or 4 word reply that makes no sense to a newbie. Those people should just not bother because they do nothing to help anyone especially with a couple of misspelled words, more especially if those misspellings are acronyms.

Bill_de Loc: US

I would not want to depend on any open forum if I was new to photography. It takes a while, even with a bit of experience, to determine who are the real experts and who just likes to hear themselves talk. There are often conflicting opinions with no way for a newbie to know which is correct. A forum is a place for discussion first and foremost. It can be a lot of fun and somewhat educational, but not to be confused with a learning center.

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MadMikeOne Loc: So. NJ Shore - a bit west of Atlantic City

Nikonian72 wrote:

Frequently Asked Questions and Answers at http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/s-106-1.html
Unfortunately, there is no method of organizing threads in this section. They are posted in order as received. Only factual information is allowed in this section; no opinion allowed. Some members disagree, but that is their opinion.
Best method of review is to start on last page (first threads covering most basic questions), and advance forward, towards most recent subjects.

Thanks for the reminder about the FAQ section, Doug. I used to make regular use of it when I first joined and then somehow just got away from using it. Going back to it tonight.

krich1953 Loc: Omaha Ne

I agree totally. I'm fairly new to this site, and have wanted to ask a few questions. However, after I see other being berated I choose not too. In fact I was seriously thinking of looking elsewhere for another photography forum that is more friendly.

Bill_de Loc: US

krich1953 wrote:

I agree totally. I'm fairly new to this site, and have wanted to ask a few questions. However, after I see other being berated I choose not too. In fact I was seriously thinking of looking elsewhere for another photography forum that is more friendly.

This is actually one of the friendliest photo forums. The majority of the people here try to be helpful. If you see that someone is a little too aggressive you can add them to your ignore list. This should keep them from responding in a thread that you start.

Try it for a while, you might like it.

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burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC

Bill_de wrote:

This is actually one of the friendliest photo forums. The majority of the people here try to be helpful. If you see that someone is a little too aggressive you can add them to your ignore list. This should keep them from responding in a thread that you start.

Try it for a while, you might like it.

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So true. You want major snarkiness? Go on over to the forums at http://www.dpreview.com . It's a minefield of insult bombs.

krmthffs

GREAT!

SteveR Loc: Michigan

MadMikeOne wrote:

Thanks for the reminder about the FAQ section, Doug. I used to make regular use of it when I first joined and then somehow just got away from using it. Going back to it tonight.

Thanks for reminding us of this section, Mad Mike!! It looks like it has a lot of the information that I would like to have seen in an "index" that I suggested previously. I would recommend that all newbies check this section out. I haven't been there in awhile but I'm going to spend some time there now to see everything that is there.

DaveO Loc: Northeast CT

Jaackil wrote:

This is what you posted. "Sometimes ones perceived attitude enhances the probability of poor responses." We are talking about Newbies questions. I asked a clarifing question to your statement.

I politely answered your question and thank you for helping me.

BTW "we" were discussing varying aspects...

Silke Loc: Germany

Okay, since I am a newbie here, I'll chime in.
Firstly, I like it here. People are generally friendly and helpful.
Secondly... The forum is not easy to navigate. The layout is (for me) counterproductive.
I am shown the busiest / new threads... but not which sections have new posts or replies.
I prefer having clearly defined sections / areas, and then drill down in those.
Not really doable here, so I miss tons of stuff I'd probably find interesting, or could even help with.
It makes things easier to find and would help us newbies immensely (and stop asking the same question over and over...)
But if there is a way to have a different layout shown here, and I haven't found it, please let me know. :)