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Mar 22, 2017 15:25:20   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
speters wrote:
That's the way I always start with a new camera... I set it to manual and start shooting, once I'm somewhat familiar with the camera I try some of the auto setting too. That's the way I've always done this!


Why? The labels might vary a little, but all cameras have pretty much the same M, A or Av, S or Tv, and P or Program modes.

Any variations are due to the way the metering system is calibrated and works. Even with those, the difference are usually pretty slight... Most cameras today offer some "intelligent" form of metering now (Canon "Evaluative", Nikon "Matrix", Pentax and Sony "Multi-Segment" or Olympus "ESP"), as well as "old school" style Center Weighted, and often Partial or even Spot Metering patterns. Most also offer some form of Exposure Compensation and AE Lock, as means of overriding the auto exposure modes. The exact labels and controls used to access the modes and metering methods may differ from model to model and brand to brand... but the functions are pretty much the same.

In fact, these exposure modes are universal enough (since the late 1970s) that folks like Bryan Peterson can write books such as his "Understanding Exposure", which is applicable to the vast majority of DSLR and more advanced mirrorless, "bridge" or P&S cameras being offered today.

The more highly automated "Scene" type modes are another matter (and personally I never use them... just as I don't use White Balance presets or auto focus "Cases"... all of which are someone else's idea of how a camera and lens should be set up to do a particular type of shot under certain conditions).

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Mar 22, 2017 16:54:35   #
PGHphoto Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
 
Brasspounder001 wrote:
You can shoot manual on a DSLR, but it's still not really full manual because the image is still undergoing a considerable amount of processing. But nonetheless, using manual mode with an old manual lens is an excellent way to learn the rudiments of photography. It forces you to surrender a little convenience and slow down and think about what you're doing. I think everybody who is serious about photography should pick up an old manual film camera and lens and learn how to use it. After a week it's easy, and setting ISO, shutter speed and aperture become second nature. Where the "digital" part comes in is in the A to D conversion, colour balance, dynamic range and other things that take part in the camera's CPU.
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I find that staying primarily on manual allows me to more easily identify (when I have to use an auto mode) that the camera is not seeing things like I am. The classic underexposure scenario of a white subject with a white background is easier to spot when you are aware of the lighting conditions and have a feel for what the exposure should be. I can see through the viewfinder that the selected exposure is probably wrong and, if I want to stay in an auto mode, I can quickly use the exposure comp to dial in something closer to what I need.

I also focus using backbutton focus and spot meter with exposure lock most of the time when in an auto or semi-auto mode. Unless I am in an extreme run-and-gun situation then I am thankful for the camera's full auto capabilities.

I think that everyone buying a DSLR should be required to shoot 24 exposure rolls of 35mm film for at least 6 months before they can get a DSLR ! But that would lock out people like my mom who prefer the soft focusing and overdeveloped look of Polaroids because they can get the shot right now ! I don't think everybody should conform to my version of what they should like (even though it would be better for them !!!! ;-} ) . I only react with disdain to those who complain that they can't duplicate what I do with the same camera and yet still refuse to get out of full auto.

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Mar 22, 2017 17:40:55   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
Rloren wrote:
Like I tell my wife, my smart phone is a computer that makes phone calls. My 1st DSLR is a computer that takes pictures.While I realize all these settings and syncing may be advantageous as I learn everything, if I just go manual all the way I bypass all the bells and whistles and can begin shooting. Same with the first flash unit I purchased..settings, settings, sync, buttons, etc. I just put that on manual too and began shooting. I guess if I really learn all this technology I can sync my camera to cook a turkey, start my car in the winter, and order take out.
I am learning, but is there anyone else who thinks this way? You be the computer that runs the show...?
Like I tell my wife, my smart phone is a computer ... (show quote)


FWIW, back in the film days when I shot mostly people and mostly in controlled lighting I shot fully manual ( W/ NO light meter) and was quite adept at it.

Today I shoot mostly wildlife in un-controlled lighting situations for the most part and use manual with auto ISO and use EX Comp regularly ( I am on Sony with EVF - so I can actually SEE what I am gettting before I get it ). On RARE occasions with constant light and shooting birds (when the sky is cloudless or overcast and no big shade trees around) I will go to FULLY manual including ISO.

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Mar 22, 2017 18:14:27   #
Texcaster Loc: Queensland
 
SteveR wrote:
I'm sorry, but if you're shooting auto ISO, you're not shooting manual.

Also....Selecting aperture or shutter priority does mean that you cannot "essentially" shoot manual. It merely means that due to the nature of what you are shooting you have a "priority" for selecting either a certain aperture or shutter speed. Control can be maintained by NOT selecting auto ISO. If, for instance, you have selected aperture priority but a test shot reveals that the shutter speed is not what you desire, that can be adjusted by changing the ISO until the desired shutter speed is achieved. Thus, you have selected aperture, ISO, and shutter speed.....just as you would have in manual, yet you prioritized one of the settings over the others.

My guess is that when shooting "manual," you do essentially the same thing. You select one setting first....either aperture or shutter speed, and then the others. So.....what's the difference?
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I'm not that advanced yet. In the old days with SLR I would select either the aperture or shutter speed I wanted and rely on the built in meter to tell me the other setting. Now I can set both shutter and aperture and rely on the camera to set the film speed, as it were. At the moment I'm quite happy with that.

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Mar 22, 2017 18:43:16   #
asiafish Loc: Bakersfield, CA
 
I always shoot manual or aperture priority, and couldn't get any more automated even if I wanted to (I don't want to) because aperture priority is the only automation my camera has. Autofocus? Nope, don't have or want it. I can't even review the image when I'm done because I don't have a screen.

While I do shoot film, it is my digital camera that I'm describing above. Leica M-D 262, digital rangefinder with no LCD, no JPG mode, no autofocus, no automatic aperture, just manual or aperture priority and a simple center-weighted meter. It won't even do auto-ISO, just has a big manual ISO dial on the back with 1/3 stop settings between ISO 200 and ISO 6400, with 3200 being the ceiling for color and 6400 still beautiful for black and white. Its the perfect digital counterpart to my 45-year-old Leica M5.

No zoom lenses either, just a 35mm, a few different 50mms and a 90mm; everything I want or need.

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Mar 22, 2017 18:53:37   #
T. Walton Loc: Newton, Kansas
 
When I started taking photos, circa 1960's, all we had was manual. Sure, there were light meters, but after a while from lots of trial and error, you would know what setting you needed by the light of the day.

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Mar 22, 2017 18:59:28   #
crazydaddio Loc: Toronto Ontario Canada
 
Think ahead about the shot and select the setting. Including using the "modes" in certain cases.

Biased to shoot exclusively manual as the camera almost never gives me the shot I visualize....same with ETTL flash..

Exceptions:
1) video : F8 - turn off AF and set the ISO.
2) "Must have, no time to think, miss the shot and you will be killed" - Aperature priority, auto ISO with min shutter speed set in camera and then programmed into C1.

For #2 example: backing out of the church snapping the B&G exiting and not adjusting exposure....key first couple shots blown out as soon as we got outside...Flip to C1 and dont worry :-)

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Mar 22, 2017 19:20:46   #
RickL Loc: Vail, Az
 
amfoto1 wrote:
No, a light meter really isn't a computer... it's just an accurate sensor with a precision readout.

The "computer" is located a few inches behind the camera... It's the photographer's brain.


I was being sarcastic but you are very right

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Mar 22, 2017 19:50:16   #
hassighedgehog Loc: Corona, CA
 
I use most features and I include Photoshop Elements as a feature. I'm learning a new camera (Lumix) so things don't come out as I necessarily wanted.

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Mar 22, 2017 21:04:21   #
henrycrafter Loc: Orem Utah
 
I only shoot manual and raw. I am a control freak!

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Mar 22, 2017 23:35:56   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Of course. But what about the T,what does it stand for?


A Canon rep at a PPA convention told me:

P=Poor
A=Awful (Av=Awfully variable)
S=$#!t (Tv=Terribly variable)
M=Make Money Mode
iA=iffy Auto

It's not true, but it has a certain ring of truth in it!

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Mar 22, 2017 23:46:01   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Texcaster wrote:
I'm not that advanced yet. In the old days with SLR I would select either the aperture or shutter speed I wanted and rely on the built in meter to tell me the other setting. Now I can set both shutter and aperture and rely on the camera to set the film speed, as it were. At the moment I'm quite happy with that.


Tex...In film days, the first thing that you selected was your ASA with your choice of film. The next thing you selected was either your aperture or shutter speed after which you selected the other component of exposure based upon what your meter told you. So...you were shooting totally in manual. You can't consider that you are shooting totally in manual with your digital camera until you pre-select your ISO, then select either aperture or shutter speed and then select the other component based upon what your meter tells you. The nice thing about digital, however, is that if the aperture and shutter speeds that you're trying to use don't work you can always adjust the ISO. You don't have to remove the film and put in faster film.

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Mar 22, 2017 23:52:41   #
asiafish Loc: Bakersfield, CA
 
SteveR wrote:
Tex...In film days, the first thing that you selected was your ASA with your choice of film. The next thing you selected was either your aperture or shutter speed after which you selected the other component of exposure based upon what your meter told you. So...you were shooting totally in manual. You can't consider that you are shooting totally in manual with your digital camera until you pre-select your ISO, then select either aperture or shutter speed and then select the other component based upon what your meter tells you. The nice thing about digital, however, is that if the aperture and shutter speeds that you're trying to use don't work you can always adjust the ISO. You don't have to remove the film and put in faster film.
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Most of my digital cameras had an auto ISO feature, but I've never used it. ISO is just another variable that gives creative options and limitations. Its nice to be able to stop action, have ample depth of field in poor lighting, but that comes at the cost of noise. Likewise its great to be able to have narrow depth of field even in bright light, which of course makes motion blur impossible (without a very strong ND filter). I learned exposure back in the film days, so while I love being able to change films with the press of a button or twist of a dial, like aperture its just not something I'm willing to let the camera do for me. As for shutter speed, meh, unless I really want to stop or blur motion I tend to just let it fall where it may so long as its fast-enough to hand-hold.

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Mar 23, 2017 00:14:28   #
JeffDavidson Loc: Originally Detroit Now Los Angeles
 
It's a good way to learn about what you are doing. Afterwards you can use the various features with much more knowledge and convenience.

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Mar 23, 2017 10:16:45   #
wj cody Loc: springfield illinois
 
i only shoot in manual.

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