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Jun 17, 2012 16:58:42   #
ThomasS Loc: Colorado
 
docrob wrote:
ThomasS wrote:
Rachel wrote:
NatureFan wrote:
Has America forgotten that this wrecked economy started with a Republican president? President Obama inherited this mess.


Boy do you have that one right! w. was a mess and left everything he touched as a disater. I still can't get over how he and his inadequate admin handle Katrina.


It's pretty hard to help people, when they refuse to try helping themselves; remember the buses people wouldn't get on? The State and City Govenments made it very difficult for the Feds to do anything initially. I suppose you are one of those people who think GW actually caused the DAMN STORM because he hates black people? You make me ill!
quote=Rachel quote=NatureFan Has America forgott... (show quote)


Heavens to Betsy NO! We all know the real reason for Hurricane Katrina and it had nothing to do with Bush. It was because of the gays having anal sex. That's what Pat Robertson and Falwell said remember? They told us in no uncertain terms that Katrina was God's punishment for the US of A allowing men to have sex with men and women to have sex with whom or what ever they wanted.
quote=ThomasS quote=Rachel quote=NatureFan Has ... (show quote)


I must have forgotten that one.

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Jun 17, 2012 17:39:47   #
ThomasS Loc: Colorado
 
George H wrote:
Kalskag2 wrote:
Regarding the post that "Obama was the instigator in the class warfare that we have now."

I ask you, WHAT CLASS WARFARE??? The claim that there is "class warfare" in is a bunch of garbage. Differences of opinion do not constitute "warfare." It's just another catch phrase manufactured by the right wing that is intended to stifle honest debate about the increasing income inequality in this country. If "class warfare" were going on, it would be the result of policies causing the rich to get ever richer at the expense of the middle class and poor. And exactly who created those policies? It wasn't Obama.
Regarding the post that "Obama was the instig... (show quote)


Kalsag,
Do you know what percentage the top 2 % pay of the taxes collected in this country? What is the percentage of people that pay no taxes, those working and then those not working. Please listen to him speak and he constantly utilizes the phrase the rich and their fair share. Just how much should those who work pay to allow others to sit on their collective asses. Whatever happened to his statement "If I don't turn this economy around I deserve to be a one term president.", remember that one. Please his is a divider not a unifier.
quote=Kalskag2 Regarding the post that "Obam... (show quote)


George and BigBear,
Boy it looks like you guys have attracted the attention of the Progressives. Those boys, who started in Merry Old England, have been spreading their "story" in this country for over 100 years now. Their man in Washington could burn people in front of the White House at noon and they wouldn't change their minds about him. They are well "programmed." You are truly wasting your time using facts, or logic, or history on them.

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Jun 17, 2012 18:34:13   #
wlgoode Loc: Globe, AZ
 
Archy wrote:
wlgoode wrote:
Media Matters is not a source of news it is a progressive analyzer of conservative news.


As is NewsMax an analyzer of the news at large...all news...conservative and left-leaning................


Still, not a news source. They self define themselves as I described.

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Jun 17, 2012 18:35:03   #
wlgoode Loc: Globe, AZ
 
ThomasS wrote:
George H wrote:
Kalskag2 wrote:
Regarding the post that "Obama was the instigator in the class warfare that we have now."

I ask you, WHAT CLASS WARFARE??? The claim that there is "class warfare" in is a bunch of garbage. Differences of opinion do not constitute "warfare." It's just another catch phrase manufactured by the right wing that is intended to stifle honest debate about the increasing income inequality in this country. If "class warfare" were going on, it would be the result of policies causing the rich to get ever richer at the expense of the middle class and poor. And exactly who created those policies? It wasn't Obama.
Regarding the post that "Obama was the instig... (show quote)


Kalsag,
Do you know what percentage the top 2 % pay of the taxes collected in this country? What is the percentage of people that pay no taxes, those working and then those not working. Please listen to him speak and he constantly utilizes the phrase the rich and their fair share. Just how much should those who work pay to allow others to sit on their collective asses. Whatever happened to his statement "If I don't turn this economy around I deserve to be a one term president.", remember that one. Please his is a divider not a unifier.
quote=Kalskag2 Regarding the post that "Obam... (show quote)


George and BigBear,
Boy it looks like you guys have attracted the attention of the Progressives. Those boys, who started in Merry Old England, have been spreading their "story" in this country for over 100 years now. Their man in Washington could burn people in front of the White House at noon and they wouldn't change their minds about him. They are well "programmed." You are truly wasting your time using facts, or logic, or history on them.
quote=George H quote=Kalskag2 Regarding the post... (show quote)


Facts, where? Oh, I almost forgot about revised history.

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Jun 17, 2012 19:09:51   #
ThomasS Loc: Colorado
 
See what I mean?

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Jun 17, 2012 19:38:35   #
BigBear Loc: Northern CT
 
ThomasS wrote:
George H wrote:
Kalskag2 wrote:
Regarding the post that "Obama was the instigator in the class warfare that we have now."

I ask you, WHAT CLASS WARFARE??? The claim that there is "class warfare" in is a bunch of garbage. Differences of opinion do not constitute "warfare." It's just another catch phrase manufactured by the right wing that is intended to stifle honest debate about the increasing income inequality in this country. If "class warfare" were going on, it would be the result of policies causing the rich to get ever richer at the expense of the middle class and poor. And exactly who created those policies? It wasn't Obama.
Regarding the post that "Obama was the instig... (show quote)


Kalsag,
Do you know what percentage the top 2 % pay of the taxes collected in this country? What is the percentage of people that pay no taxes, those working and then those not working. Please listen to him speak and he constantly utilizes the phrase the rich and their fair share. Just how much should those who work pay to allow others to sit on their collective asses. Whatever happened to his statement "If I don't turn this economy around I deserve to be a one term president.", remember that one. Please his is a divider not a unifier.
quote=Kalskag2 Regarding the post that "Obam... (show quote)


George and BigBear,
Boy it looks like you guys have attracted the attention of the Progressives. Those boys, who started in Merry Old England, have been spreading their "story" in this country for over 100 years now. Their man in Washington could burn people in front of the White House at noon and they wouldn't change their minds about him. They are well "programmed." You are truly wasting your time using facts, or logic, or history on them.
quote=George H quote=Kalskag2 Regarding the post... (show quote)


I know ... But it's been such fun getting them going !! :thumbup:
They will only get the message when it empties their wallet and confines them to their home. I mean after all, you gotta be an illegal to have rights here.

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Jun 17, 2012 21:25:55   #
Kalskag2
 
George H wrote:
Kalskag2 wrote:
Regarding the post that "Obama was the instigator in the class warfare that we have now."

I ask you, WHAT CLASS WARFARE??? The claim that there is "class warfare" in is a bunch of garbage. Differences of opinion do not constitute "warfare." It's just another catch phrase manufactured by the right wing that is intended to stifle honest debate about the increasing income inequality in this country. If "class warfare" were going on, it would be the result of policies causing the rich to get ever richer at the expense of the middle class and poor. And exactly who created those policies? It wasn't Obama.
Regarding the post that "Obama was the instig... (show quote)


Kalsag,
Do you know what percentage the top 2 % pay of the taxes collected in this country? What is the percentage of people that pay no taxes, those working and then those not working. Please listen to him speak and he constantly utilizes the phrase the rich and their fair share. Just how much should those who work pay to allow others to sit on their collective asses. Whatever happened to his statement "If I don't turn this economy around I deserve to be a one term president.", remember that one. Please his is a divider not a unifier.
quote=Kalskag2 Regarding the post that "Obam... (show quote)


Totally disagree. Obama spent the first couple years of his presidency naively thinking that Republicans would work with him for the good of the country. Where did it get him? They rebuffed him at every turn; their only interest has been to get him unelected. Has the Republican House of Representatives voted in favor of Obama's economic recovery plan? No, and then they blame him because the recovery is too slow. They could care less about the good of the country. And again, where is this class warfare that the right wing keeps talking about? How come when somebody says "raise the taxes on the wealthy," it's considered class warfare, but when someone says "reduce the taxes on the wealthy," it's not? Republicans are great at coming up with catch slogans, like "death squads," "repeal Obamacare," "9-9-9," "class warfare," etc. These slogans make great sound bites on TV but do nothing to solve the nation's problems.

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Jun 17, 2012 21:53:04   #
BigBear Loc: Northern CT
 
Kalskag2 wrote:
George H wrote:
Kalskag2 wrote:
Regarding the post that "Obama was the instigator in the class warfare that we have now."

I ask you, WHAT CLASS WARFARE??? The claim that there is "class warfare" in is a bunch of garbage. Differences of opinion do not constitute "warfare." It's just another catch phrase manufactured by the right wing that is intended to stifle honest debate about the increasing income inequality in this country. If "class warfare" were going on, it would be the result of policies causing the rich to get ever richer at the expense of the middle class and poor. And exactly who created those policies? It wasn't Obama.
Regarding the post that "Obama was the instig... (show quote)


Kalsag,
Do you know what percentage the top 2 % pay of the taxes collected in this country? What is the percentage of people that pay no taxes, those working and then those not working. Please listen to him speak and he constantly utilizes the phrase the rich and their fair share. Just how much should those who work pay to allow others to sit on their collective asses. Whatever happened to his statement "If I don't turn this economy around I deserve to be a one term president.", remember that one. Please his is a divider not a unifier.
quote=Kalskag2 Regarding the post that "Obam... (show quote)


Totally disagree. Obama spent the first couple years of his presidency naively thinking that Republicans would work with him for the good of the country. Where did it get him? They rebuffed him at every turn; their only interest has been to get him unelected. Has the Republican House of Representatives voted in favor of Obama's economic recovery plan? No, and then they blame him because the recovery is too slow. They could care less about the good of the country. And again, where is this class warfare that the right wing keeps talking about? How come when somebody says "raise the taxes on the wealthy," it's considered class warfare, but when someone says "reduce the taxes on the wealthy," it's not? Republicans are great at coming up with catch slogans, like "death squads," "repeal Obamacare," "9-9-9," "class warfare," etc. These slogans make great sound bites on TV but do nothing to solve the nation's problems.
quote=George H quote=Kalskag2 Regarding the post... (show quote)


For his first 2 years he owned the House and Senate as both were democrat majority.
So who wasn't playing nice with him ??

After his 2nd year we got the house back and and told him he's no longer going to spend money we haven't got on his failed follies.
Therefore when November gets here we can tell him 'You're Fired' !!!
Then we can get on with saving our nation.

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Jun 17, 2012 23:53:10   #
Lancer W/A Canon Loc: atlanta
 
BigBear wrote:
Lancer W/A Canon wrote:
docrob wrote:
BigBear wrote:
Roger Hicks wrote:
George H wrote:
I can agree with you but would use another word, inept. I thought he would do well, never had the background or training to accomplish things well. He has never really led the country, most of all he has divided the country even more.


It's quite hard for just one person to divide a country that doesn't want to be divided. A Democrat might say, with at least as much justification, that the division is the fault of an increasingly right-wing Republican party. Both are of course to blame: one for weak leadership, and the other for increasingly extremist politics.

Cheers,

R.
quote=George H I can agree with you but would use... (show quote)


No Sir !!!
Obama was the instigator in the class warfare that we have now. His intention is to get as many low income people on his 'entitled' list and tell them they are entitled to:
1 An income even if they don't work.
2 Free college education.
3 A home of their choice at low or no cost to them.

And never an answer as to how it gets paid for except tax the rich and end corporate greed !!
quote=Roger Hicks quote=George H I can agree wit... (show quote)


big bear your not looking at the whole picture here your just seeing what the powers that be want you to see - all of your points in this post are the talking points of Sean Hannity and company and can be heard in various forms every day on every news cast as if it was newsworthy that our country is being torn apart - as if its ALL the government and Obama's fault. Do your yourself a favor and follow the money - who benefits from the country being polarized? Who benefits from scapegoating Obama? Come on bear follow your nose - trace back to the source of the honey -
quote=BigBear quote=Roger Hicks quote=George H ... (show quote)


If you truly believe that Obama started class warfare, you must be about 3 1/2 years old, and never read a history book.
quote=docrob quote=BigBear quote=Roger Hicks q... (show quote)


I didn't say he started it, only that he instigated it as one of his policies to keep the low income people who are more than 50% of the population on his side.
Then spend billions of borrowed money to support them and keep them enticed to keep voting for him.
Again, it isn't as important how we got to this point, it's about how to get out to where we belong. Where everyone has the same opportunities to work toward their dream life as opposed to having it given to them at the expense of others.
quote=Lancer W/A Canon quote=docrob quote=BigBe... (show quote)


Okay, so your conservative mind puts 50% of america in the poor category, and you want them to work out of it. I agree, but tell me where the jobs are for them. The republican view is to make the rich , richer, and to prevent higher education for the poor, and even middle class, by doubling interest rates on student loans, and making applying for and receiving them almost impossible . The banks only approved 24% of business loans under $5 million the past 3 years, so tell me how you would do it.

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Jun 18, 2012 00:01:29   #
rrforster12 Loc: Leesburg Florida
 
Roger Hicks wrote:
Archy wrote:
wrr wrote:
Have to remember Mr. Hicks, words like 'dolt' can only be defined by one's own perspective. wrr


Anyone and I mean anyone that believes Obama is doing a good to excellent job at running the country is a dolt in the true sense of the word...........


Possibly: he is a great disappointment. But anyone who believes that there are any better choices on the horizon is arguably an even bigger dolt.

Cheers,

R.


Almost any business executive can and will do a better job then Obama has turned in. Romney could be a pleasant surprise just as Reagan was in his day. He has had a pretty decent track record at turning losing situations into winners so he is a better bet then 4 more years with Obama at the helm.

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Jun 18, 2012 03:09:43   #
wlgoode Loc: Globe, AZ
 
Kalskag2 wrote:
George H wrote:
Kalskag2 wrote:
Regarding the post that "Obama was the instigator in the class warfare that we have now."

I ask you, WHAT CLASS WARFARE??? The claim that there is "class warfare" in is a bunch of garbage. Differences of opinion do not constitute "warfare." It's just another catch phrase manufactured by the right wing that is intended to stifle honest debate about the increasing income inequality in this country. If "class warfare" were going on, it would be the result of policies causing the rich to get ever richer at the expense of the middle class and poor. And exactly who created those policies? It wasn't Obama.
Regarding the post that "Obama was the instig... (show quote)


Kalsag,
Do you know what percentage the top 2 % pay of the taxes collected in this country? What is the percentage of people that pay no taxes, those working and then those not working. Please listen to him speak and he constantly utilizes the phrase the rich and their fair share. Just how much should those who work pay to allow others to sit on their collective asses. Whatever happened to his statement "If I don't turn this economy around I deserve to be a one term president.", remember that one. Please his is a divider not a unifier.
quote=Kalskag2 Regarding the post that "Obam... (show quote)


Totally disagree. Obama spent the first couple years of his presidency naively thinking that Republicans would work with him for the good of the country. Where did it get him? They rebuffed him at every turn; their only interest has been to get him unelected. Has the Republican House of Representatives voted in favor of Obama's economic recovery plan? No, and then they blame him because the recovery is too slow. They could care less about the good of the country. And again, where is this class warfare that the right wing keeps talking about? How come when somebody says "raise the taxes on the wealthy," it's considered class warfare, but when someone says "reduce the taxes on the wealthy," it's not? Republicans are great at coming up with catch slogans, like "death squads," "repeal Obamacare," "9-9-9," "class warfare," etc. These slogans make great sound bites on TV but do nothing to solve the nation's problems.
quote=George H quote=Kalskag2 Regarding the post... (show quote)


That's why several current polls show a majority of Americans think the GOP is sabotaging the economy by sitting on their butts and bitching. Nothing pisses off the country more than that... It can't be blamed on a Democratic Senate either, they have the stupidity of minority rule.

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Jun 18, 2012 07:13:22   #
BigBear Loc: Northern CT
 
Lancer W/A Canon wrote:
BigBear wrote:
Lancer W/A Canon wrote:
docrob wrote:
BigBear wrote:
Roger Hicks wrote:
George H wrote:
I can agree with you but would use another word, inept. I thought he would do well, never had the background or training to accomplish things well. He has never really led the country, most of all he has divided the country even more.


It's quite hard for just one person to divide a country that doesn't want to be divided. A Democrat might say, with at least as much justification, that the division is the fault of an increasingly right-wing Republican party. Both are of course to blame: one for weak leadership, and the other for increasingly extremist politics.

Cheers,

R.
quote=George H I can agree with you but would use... (show quote)


No Sir !!!
Obama was the instigator in the class warfare that we have now. His intention is to get as many low income people on his 'entitled' list and tell them they are entitled to:
1 An income even if they don't work.
2 Free college education.
3 A home of their choice at low or no cost to them.

And never an answer as to how it gets paid for except tax the rich and end corporate greed !!
quote=Roger Hicks quote=George H I can agree wit... (show quote)


big bear your not looking at the whole picture here your just seeing what the powers that be want you to see - all of your points in this post are the talking points of Sean Hannity and company and can be heard in various forms every day on every news cast as if it was newsworthy that our country is being torn apart - as if its ALL the government and Obama's fault. Do your yourself a favor and follow the money - who benefits from the country being polarized? Who benefits from scapegoating Obama? Come on bear follow your nose - trace back to the source of the honey -
quote=BigBear quote=Roger Hicks quote=George H ... (show quote)


If you truly believe that Obama started class warfare, you must be about 3 1/2 years old, and never read a history book.
quote=docrob quote=BigBear quote=Roger Hicks q... (show quote)


I didn't say he started it, only that he instigated it as one of his policies to keep the low income people who are more than 50% of the population on his side.
Then spend billions of borrowed money to support them and keep them enticed to keep voting for him.
Again, it isn't as important how we got to this point, it's about how to get out to where we belong. Where everyone has the same opportunities to work toward their dream life as opposed to having it given to them at the expense of others.
quote=Lancer W/A Canon quote=docrob quote=BigBe... (show quote)


Okay, so your conservative mind puts 50% of america in the poor category, and you want them to work out of it. I agree, but tell me where the jobs are for them. The republican view is to make the rich , richer, and to prevent higher education for the poor, and even middle class, by doubling interest rates on student loans, and making applying for and receiving them almost impossible . The banks only approved 24% of business loans under $5 million the past 3 years, so tell me how you would do it.
quote=BigBear quote=Lancer W/A Canon quote=docr... (show quote)


50% of the working people don't pay taxes, yet get a refund when they file. Where does that come from ?
BO has you snowed into thinking that republicans want to make the rich richer in his class warfare speech.
Republicans want to make everyone richer by getting the government out of the way so businesses can operate properly.

By the way .... After 4 years of BO just where are the jobs ??
Answer: Because of over regulation everywhere but here.

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Jun 18, 2012 07:18:06   #
BigBear Loc: Northern CT
 
wlgoode wrote:
Kalskag2 wrote:
George H wrote:
Kalskag2 wrote:
Regarding the post that "Obama was the instigator in the class warfare that we have now."

I ask you, WHAT CLASS WARFARE??? The claim that there is "class warfare" in is a bunch of garbage. Differences of opinion do not constitute "warfare." It's just another catch phrase manufactured by the right wing that is intended to stifle honest debate about the increasing income inequality in this country. If "class warfare" were going on, it would be the result of policies causing the rich to get ever richer at the expense of the middle class and poor. And exactly who created those policies? It wasn't Obama.
Regarding the post that "Obama was the instig... (show quote)


Kalsag,
Do you know what percentage the top 2 % pay of the taxes collected in this country? What is the percentage of people that pay no taxes, those working and then those not working. Please listen to him speak and he constantly utilizes the phrase the rich and their fair share. Just how much should those who work pay to allow others to sit on their collective asses. Whatever happened to his statement "If I don't turn this economy around I deserve to be a one term president.", remember that one. Please his is a divider not a unifier.
quote=Kalskag2 Regarding the post that "Obam... (show quote)


Totally disagree. Obama spent the first couple years of his presidency naively thinking that Republicans would work with him for the good of the country. Where did it get him? They rebuffed him at every turn; their only interest has been to get him unelected. Has the Republican House of Representatives voted in favor of Obama's economic recovery plan? No, and then they blame him because the recovery is too slow. They could care less about the good of the country. And again, where is this class warfare that the right wing keeps talking about? How come when somebody says "raise the taxes on the wealthy," it's considered class warfare, but when someone says "reduce the taxes on the wealthy," it's not? Republicans are great at coming up with catch slogans, like "death squads," "repeal Obamacare," "9-9-9," "class warfare," etc. These slogans make great sound bites on TV but do nothing to solve the nation's problems.
quote=George H quote=Kalskag2 Regarding the post... (show quote)


That's why several current polls show a majority of Americans think the GOP is sabotaging the economy by sitting on their butts and bitching. Nothing pisses off the country more than that... It can't be blamed on a Democratic Senate either, they have the stupidity of minority rule.
quote=Kalskag2 quote=George H quote=Kalskag2 Re... (show quote)


There is no minority rule in the senate. Harry Reid dictates what bills get to the floor and which die waiting. He wouldn't even support the budget BO gave him nor did they come up with one themselves which is why there hasn't been one in 4 years.

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Jun 18, 2012 08:17:36   #
George H Loc: Brooklyn, New York
 
ThomasS wrote:
George H wrote:
Kalskag2 wrote:
Regarding the post that "Obama was the instigator in the class warfare that we have now."

I ask you, WHAT CLASS WARFARE??? The claim that there is "class warfare" in is a bunch of garbage. Differences of opinion do not constitute "warfare." It's just another catch phrase manufactured by the right wing that is intended to stifle honest debate about the increasing income inequality in this country. If "class warfare" were going on, it would be the result of policies causing the rich to get ever richer at the expense of the middle class and poor. And exactly who created those policies? It wasn't Obama.
Regarding the post that "Obama was the instig... (show quote)


Kalsag,
Do you know what percentage the top 2 % pay of the taxes collected in this country? What is the percentage of people that pay no taxes, those working and then those not working. Please listen to him speak and he constantly utilizes the phrase the rich and their fair share. Just how much should those who work pay to allow others to sit on their collective asses. Whatever happened to his statement "If I don't turn this economy around I deserve to be a one term president.", remember that one. Please his is a divider not a unifier.
quote=Kalskag2 Regarding the post that "Obam... (show quote)


George and BigBear,
Boy it looks like you guys have attracted the attention of the Progressives. Those boys, who started in Merry Old England, have been spreading their "story" in this country for over 100 years now. Their man in Washington could burn people in front of the White House at noon and they wouldn't change their minds about him. They are well "programmed." You are truly wasting your time using facts, or logic, or history on them.
quote=George H quote=Kalskag2 Regarding the post... (show quote)


Thomas,
Not a problem, I enjoy tweaking their noses. I love seeing the supposed illiterati squirm or at least dance. What a bunch of pompous asses they are.

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Jun 18, 2012 08:20:38   #
George H Loc: Brooklyn, New York
 
wlgoode wrote:
ThomasS wrote:
George H wrote:
Kalskag2 wrote:
Regarding the post that "Obama was the instigator in the class warfare that we have now."

I ask you, WHAT CLASS WARFARE??? The claim that there is "class warfare" in is a bunch of garbage. Differences of opinion do not constitute "warfare." It's just another catch phrase manufactured by the right wing that is intended to stifle honest debate about the increasing income inequality in this country. If "class warfare" were going on, it would be the result of policies causing the rich to get ever richer at the expense of the middle class and poor. And exactly who created those policies? It wasn't Obama.
Regarding the post that "Obama was the instig... (show quote)


Kalsag,
Do you know what percentage the top 2 % pay of the taxes collected in this country? What is the percentage of people that pay no taxes, those working and then those not working. Please listen to him speak and he constantly utilizes the phrase the rich and their fair share. Just how much should those who work pay to allow others to sit on their collective asses. Whatever happened to his statement "If I don't turn this economy around I deserve to be a one term president.", remember that one. Please his is a divider not a unifier.
quote=Kalskag2 Regarding the post that "Obam... (show quote)


George and BigBear,
Boy it looks like you guys have attracted the attention of the Progressives. Those boys, who started in Merry Old England, have been spreading their "story" in this country for over 100 years now. Their man in Washington could burn people in front of the White House at noon and they wouldn't change their minds about him. They are well "programmed." You are truly wasting your time using facts, or logic, or history on them.
quote=George H quote=Kalskag2 Regarding the post... (show quote)


Facts, where? Oh, I almost forgot about revised history.
quote=ThomasS quote=George H quote=Kalskag2 Reg... (show quote)


Wlgoode,
Yes facts delivered by Obama's own administration stuff your claim of revised history where the sun doesn't shine. Can't help it if you don't know how to use search engines.
Obama is counting on the fools of the country to vote fore his inept ass a second time.

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