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Mar 16, 2017 09:08:09   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
jerryc41 wrote:
I saw that story, but I didn't realize that she stepped out of the path of one train and into the path of another. Horrible coincidence.


Happens quite frequently. It probably didn't hurt though.

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Mar 16, 2017 09:09:37   #
James R. Kyle Loc: Saint Louis, Missouri (A Suburb of Ferguson)
 
Rusty Tracks....

Yes that may be OK.... However. Look too at the growth of vegetation on the right of way. And at the crossing sign (if any) that may read "abandoned".

Tracks that look like this are OK.







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Mar 16, 2017 09:32:03   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
Exactly! Nice photos too.

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Mar 16, 2017 09:41:33   #
Mac Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia now Hernando Co. Fl.
 
Peterff wrote:
A point, but that doesn't help the engineers or those that clean up afterwards. There is often long lasting emotional damage even if there is nothing that one could do and one was not at fault.

A squish is still a squish....


You are absolutely correct about the damage caused to the engineers of the trains, those who are charged with investigating a fatality, and those who clean up the scene.

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Mar 16, 2017 09:45:14   #
Mac Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia now Hernando Co. Fl.
 
speters wrote:
There is nothing wrong with doing that, but don't be stupid, one has to keep an eye open!


Actually there is something wrong with it. The tracks and the area around the tracks are owned by the individual railroads and as such are private property. When you are in those areas, you are trespassing.

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Mar 16, 2017 09:48:27   #
Mac Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia now Hernando Co. Fl.
 
tdekany wrote:
You miss understood me - there were 10265 deaths in 2016AD related to drunk driving. That number doesn't include other forms of deaths related to drunk people. How many people died from getting their pictures taken on railroad tracks?

It is indeed about personal responsibility.

I just find it very strange that someone would start a thread to warn us about someone loosing their life while being photographed on railroad tracks. Where is the outrage about being killed by a drunk driver?

With that said, in my book:

1 - every life is precious

2 - all drugs should be legal (I had 1 sip of beer in my entire life and have a very happy and positive brain and I have no need for any "drug")

3 - YOU DO NOT NEED ALCOHOL - so if other less damaging substances are "illegal", why not ban alcohol as well? Or make all of them legal?

4 - why would anyone think cars, knifes, guns, phones should be banned?

5 - YOU DON'T NEED ALCOHOL
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You can not really protect yourself from a drunk driver or the actions of someone who is drunk, but you can protect yourself from being hit by a train simply by staying off the tracks.

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Mar 16, 2017 09:54:09   #
Mac Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia now Hernando Co. Fl.
 
lamiaceae wrote:
Yikes! Horrible I would never even think of walking on railroad tracks on a bridge. They only places I stand on tracks to photograph either the tracks or a train are at street crossing, i.e., standing on both the tracks and street or sidewalk that is intended for pedestrians. Thing is on train company property they don't want you even doing that long enough to take a picture so I'll stand on the tracks on public property (in the public street).
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Actually the tracks at a crossing are not public property. They are owned by the individual railroads and are still private property. That is why trains have the right of way over the crossing (vehicles and pedestrians must clear the crossing to allow the trains to pass unimpeded) and why any needed repairs or improvements to the crossing are done by the railroad.

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Mar 16, 2017 10:33:02   #
Armadillo Loc: Ventura, CA
 
HOT Texas wrote:
Every year I read about photographers and models getting killed on rail road tracks, if you must do this, please find some dead tracks, there are plenty of them around. Last year I was asked to photograph two kids on a rail road bridge (brother and sister) I refused, I could have made plenty of money for the shoot, but I refused.

NAVASOTA, Texas (AP) The mother of a 19-year-old woman says her daughter was killed when she was struck by a train while having photos taken of her on the tracks in a bid to launch a modeling career.
Hakamie Stevenson said her daughter, Fredzania Thompson, attended Blinn College in Bryan but wanted to put her education on hold to begin modeling.
Authorities say Thompson was standing between two sets of tracks Friday in Navasota when a BNSF Railway train approached.
She moved out of the way of the train but was apparently unaware that a Union Pacific train was coming in the opposite direction on the other tracks and was struck.
The person who was taking photos of Thompson was not hurt.
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HOT,

I agree with your warning and the comments that are attached to your post. There is an alternative to violating the property rights of the railroad. It has everything to do with the knowledge and training the photographer has at his/her disposal.

In today's technological age all aspiring photographers could take a few lessons from Hollywood in the film and television arts and sciences, it is called a 'Green Screen'.

You did not have to turn down the opportunity to photograph the Brother and Sister at the railroad tracks.
Consider this option. Discuss all the pertinent details with the subjects, determine the location of the proposed shooting, offer any alternative locations you may be aware of, and take the subjects out to the location for visual inspection and imaginative rehearsals of the captures.
On a scheduled day meet the subjects at your studio location, place both in the desired pose in front of a green screen. Make several potential photo captures in variously discussed poses. After the indoor shooting, if it is acceptable, take the subjects out to the desired location to observe you capturing the railroad track on an acceptable sunny, or overcast day. Returning to the studio, allow the subject to go on their way while you process the photographs.

Your task now is to screen out the green screen background and copy/paste (merge) the subjects onto the railroad photos for a single composite photograph. Once you get the knack of merging with the green screen you can apply any, or all the studio captures onto any of the outdoor photos.

For those photographers who are knowledgeable about railroad scenic locations and their photo equipment you can create some very dramatic captures. Many railroad tunnels lead into the tunnel on a gentle curve and may continue the curve within the tunnel. A model can be placed in front of a tunnel opening showing the curving tracks entering the tunnel, curving thru the tunnel and showing the light at the end of the tunnel. The model can be illuminated in studio to simulate daylight sun, and positions to provide a silhouette effect.

All of this can be done with thousands of venues with no one getting in a hazardous position. Knowing locations, photo equipment, and post processing can capture a moment in time without becoming an illegal statistic.

Michael G

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Mar 16, 2017 10:44:34   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
BHC wrote:
Thank you for reminding us once again about the horrible tragedies that can result from such action. We are constantly having to chase singles and couples from our small switching yard. One young man thought it would be romantic to propose between the tracks with an oncoming switcher illuminating his girls face. Fortunately the engineer was going very slow and was able to stop - within 10 feet of the love struck young man. Because the engineer was so shaken, the matter was taken seriously and the young lovers spent several hours in separate holding cells. As an EMT, I have had to help clean up one person versus train incident. The train won and was able to stop within ½ mile, spreading the losers remains along its route.

If I may, I would like to take issue with one thing you wrote. THERE ARE NO DEAD TRACKS! As long as there are tracks, they may be used, if only for storage; we use one such track to park a solidly built and well locked storage for maintenance-of-way tools and supplies. The appearance of a speeder or switcher may not be noticed. Even a handcar (yeah, the kind you "pump") weighs about 1000 pounds. I have seen them reach ~25 mph; people, you will NOT win the encounter!
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Here in central PA I see many "dead" tracks as there is no connection at either end. Just several hundred feet of track on an abandoned bed.

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Mar 16, 2017 10:47:09   #
sleepy51 Loc: Makoshika Park--Montana
 
I don't think they would arrest them, but they would get a hefty fine. On another note, a Policeman could not go on Railroad property till a few years ago. The railroads had their own police to handle their own situations, but they decided they could cut back staff and save a few bucks, and cover alot more ground, so they asked for the help of all Law Officers, so now anyone with a Badge can write you a ticket ( yes even a Game Warden ). While working nights on the railroad, we had a shooter run into the rail yards, and the local police could not ensue till the BN officer arrived (because of train movement and safety reasons ).Even if you run, they might still catch you, all lead engines have built-in Cameras on them now (all class I railroads by law ). I have a retired cousin in Chicago that worked for the railroad retirement board, him and his wife were on lunch hour while waiting for flashing lights at a pedestrian crossing, the train went by so they took off walking before the lights quit. They were fined $500.00 each for leaving early, pretty costly lunch. It also makes it tuff to hunt out here, our farm was adjecent to the tracks, we hunted the right of ways all the time, walking the tracks, a game warden couldn't do anything. ( Times have changed )

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Mar 16, 2017 10:56:47   #
Marionsho Loc: Kansas
 
tdekany wrote:
You miss understood me - there were 10265 deaths in 2016AD related to drunk driving. That number doesn't include other forms of deaths related to drunk people. How many people died from getting their pictures taken on railroad tracks?

It is indeed about personal responsibility.

I just find it very strange that someone would start a thread to warn us about someone loosing their life while being photographed on railroad tracks. Where is the outrage about being killed by a drunk driver?

With that said, in my book:

1 - every life is precious

2 - all drugs should be legal (I had 1 sip of beer in my entire life and have a very happy and positive brain and I have no need for any "drug")

3 - YOU DO NOT NEED ALCOHOL - so if other less damaging substances are "illegal", why not ban alcohol as well? Or make all of them legal?

4 - why would anyone think cars, knifes, guns, phones should be banned?

5 - YOU DON'T NEED ALCOHOL
You miss understood me - there were 10265 deaths i... (show quote)


If you think you don't take ANY drugs, you must be on drugs.

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Mar 16, 2017 10:59:13   #
ralfstinson Loc: SF Bay Area
 
For a photographic forum, strange that no one has pointed this out! A large object at speed (train, landing 747, etc) will not appear to be going fast when it is. It is a form of optical illusion! You won't really notice the speed until it gets close, then it may be too late to move out of the way! As a photographer, you are responsible for your own safety, and the safety of anyone you are using as a model! When you have your eye up to the viewer, you have your vision impaired, and your other senses are being ignored. I won't take a step with the camera up to my face, and if there is any danger, I will have a safety spotter next to me, and their only job is safety! Ok - pain, but serious injury or death is a bigger pain.

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Mar 16, 2017 11:01:43   #
Marionsho Loc: Kansas
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Ban alcohol all together??? I might be wrong here but didn't we do that years ago? Haven't drugs been banned in America for years now. Actually much of the world has a ban on most drugs. How is that working out for us?

Dennis


They did try that in the past. If they would ban alcohol we could all get rich bootlegging!

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Mar 16, 2017 11:08:29   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
Hal81 wrote:
I was telling someone a few weeks ago its unlawful to walk on the railroad. She said they seldom use those tracks. I told her those rails are very clean. If they were that clean and not rusty they were used every day.



Excellent observation, Hal......I hope she took heed in your warning!

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Mar 16, 2017 11:44:41   #
rook2c4 Loc: Philadelphia, PA USA
 
Peterff wrote:
Sorry to be blunt but it's called a Darwin award, or cleansing the shallow end of the gene pool.

There are no valid excuses.

"There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." - Will Rogers


Frankly, that's a very heartless thing to say, equivalent to stating that naive, inexperienced or mentally handicapped people deserve to die. Charles Darwin would surely turn in his grave if he heard his name associated with such an attitude on the value of human life.

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