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Mar 5, 2017 12:24:12   #
rfmaude41 Loc: Lancaster, Texas (DFW area)
 
Charles 46277 wrote:
Consider what is meant by "art lens." The great lenses of the past were all used for art, but the first that was billed as Fine Art Lens (to my knowledge) was the Schneider Fine Art Lens sold for very large format cameras (8x10 sheet film and larger). The diagram for that design looks rather like the glorious Goerz Dagor lens of reknown, only with far more coverage (image size). Dagors were very sharp, but resolution was not their forte--their contrast and richness of shadow and highlight was a revelation. You could count the threads in a tweed, while skin tones were smooth and soft. The Schneider lens (still made) costs more than any car I ever had. I suspect anybody making an "art lens" today is trying not for high resolution sharpness or bright contrast so much as a je ne sais quoi quality we call richness, depth, tonality, between softness and boldness. Art as such covers a lot of ground, and the ideal lens for a particular work will surely vary, but art lenses are aiming for something other than commercial photography such as product images and architecture for annual reports, or school pictures. I suspect they are trying for something more like impressionism (but less so)--gentle on detail, strong on color and visual texture. Three classical designs were used for spectacular art (and everything else), all designed around 1900--the Heliar, the Tessar, and the Dagor. Each had "the look" of its followers. Some artists even reach back to the 1800's for new art--lenses such as triplets (Rodenstock Geronar, their cheapest lens) or even antique Petzval lenses, or primative designs.

It might be a mistake to ask if an art lens is better than a commercial lens--better for what, or in what way? (Kodak, in its heyday, called its finest lenses "Commercial Ektar", meaning that studios would find them best for everything they do--perhaps a bridge too far, but close... they were Tessar designs.) We have to divine the meaning of "art" for lens makers' plans and creations today--but look very carefully at how they describe the lens and its purposes. It is almost certainly not simply meant to be their "best lens," but one devoted to a certain broad field of uses that is more artistic than commercial. Today we cannot tell from a diagram what a lens does--too many elements, too many shapes and configurations (all done with computers). A gallery of photos presented made with the lens is the best clue, but the artist can always go beyond that.
Consider what is meant by "art lens." Th... (show quote)


It really depends on which Dagors you are talking about (as far as resolution goes). Their lenses that were designed for copy work had, at that time, FAR BETTER RESOLUTION than anything else on the market, including the Schneiders and Rodenstocks. True, when they got to what a normal lens is used for, they were behind Schneider as far as overall resolution, but, as you stated, their dynamic range was about the best.

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Mar 5, 2017 12:56:09   #
chasgroh Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
I've owned the older Sigma 24-70 f2.8 for years...it's been dropped, painted on (on a job I stupidly left it sitting out...sheesh) and generally has performed right up there with all my Nikon glass, which is why I haven't bought the Nikon 24-70 equivalent. Recently acquired the Sigma 24-105 f4 Art and it's The Bomb...what a great walk-around lens and as sharp you could want.

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Mar 5, 2017 14:05:13   #
Lagoonguy Loc: New Smyrna Beach, FL
 
I was happy traveling with my Nikon 18-300 & D7100. When I acquired a D750 I was looking for a good travel lens and I came across Tony Northrup's comments on the Sigma 24-105 Art lens vs the Nikon 24-120. I bought it and I have been amazed at the performance and build of this lens. It was perfect for our recent trip to Tuscany & Umbria and it far exceeded my 18-300, then again the D750 didn't hurt the outcome, and I didn't need the extra length. I was also looking for a wide prime for interior cathedral shots and ended up getting a Sigma 24-35 f/2 for the trip. This lens is outstanding. I use my equipment primarily for travel and these lenses are not light (31-33 oz vs 29 oz for the 18-300) but they are just too good to leave at home and use the all around 18-300. I have the Nikon 70-200 f/4 & 16-35 f/4 so I appreciate Nikon lenses but these two Sigma Art lenses are as good as the 70-200 f/4 which is about as sharp as I have seen. I think you might wait to see what the reviews say about the Sigma 24-70 Art but from my experience as an amateur travel photographer the Sigma Art line is very high quality. When it came time for our annual jaunt to Kauai I ended up leaving the 70-200 at home after much debate and brought the Sigma 24-105 but did bring the Nikon 16-35. I bring this up because the 18-300 on my DX cameras would be the simpler choice but the quality of the Sigma Art won out. Good luck on your shopping. I am certain either one will be excellent.

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Mar 5, 2017 16:52:10   #
Bill P
 
"If an art lens has nothing to do with using it for art, it is misnamed. Of course, the word art is also often a misnomer."

I find this statement to be mind-numbing. A name that is selected for a lens is selected by the marketing department. Sigma uses the names art, sport, etc. to distinguish different lines.Your argument could be applied to cars, such as a Grand Prix is a misnomer 'cause it can't be raced. Another sample of this supposed misnomer is Cessna's line of corporate jets, the Citations, named after a racehorse. The truth is the earlier Citations were as slow as a Jet could be, so should we bitch about that name?

Further, what is art? Do you define an Art lens as one that is a very sharp flat field lens for copying works of art, or does that indicate a lens designed to produce "fine art?" And how would one specify a lens designed to produce fine art and another to shoot sports?

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Mar 5, 2017 17:05:59   #
mharvey
 
Well, let me put it this way.
I've been shooting Nikon SLR's and DSLR's for 40 years. I always used Nikkor glass.
Since SIGMA began producing the ART series, their 50mm f/1.4 has replaced my similar Nikkor and the 24-105 has replaced the Nikkor 24-120!
I've had NO regrets or "second-guesses"!

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Mar 5, 2017 19:56:25   #
Jim Bob
 
FiddleMaker wrote:
I am giving some thought to getting the Sigma 24-70 DG HSM OS art which has not been released for sale as yet. (Mid-March I am told.) I can get a similar Nikon lens with VR. Here is my question. Is Sigma glass as good as Nikon glass?? I find that some Nikon lenses tend to have too much play in their zoom and focus rings for my liking. My Nikon 40mm is really bad. I don’t want to shell out lots of $$$ only to find out what I bought is a piece of junk. I know nothing about Sigma lenses. Perhaps it is not a good idea to buy something that is new and has no previous past history. Thanks for any advice or opinions.
~FiddleMaker
I am giving some thought to getting the Sigma 24-7... (show quote)

Look, any advice on an upcoming lens will be based on speculation at best. Either wait until the lens arrives or buy from current stock.

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Mar 5, 2017 22:27:41   #
crazydaddio Loc: Toronto Ontario Canada
 
ART line so far has exceptional quality optics. The 50mm and 85mm primes exceed all counterparts (even Zeiss in the case of the 50mm 1.4). CAVEAT! ... wait until its out to see the early AF reviews. 3rd party lenses do not have the benefit of AF algorithm collaboration. Nikon lens designers work with Nikon body designers to ensure optimum performance and future compatability with new body releases. Similarly Canon. The ART line of lenses are gorgeous however I have the 50mm1.4ART and went through 2 copies to get one that was acceptable. I would not trust it at small DOF (close to subject and sub f2.8) to get a 1 shot sharp image. Have resorted to taking mulitple shots or making manual adjustments. I use it for portrait/artistic shots but I use a native Canon lens for any shots with the slightest movement during a wedding or other "must have moments" that someone is paying for...Other Sigma lenses have had excellent AF results reported so its a bit hit and miss (I have the Sigma 150-600mmC and its AF is speedy and accurate - which is critical for Sports). One other note...its not about whether the focus misses...its whether it misses consistently. The 50mm1.4ART misses inconcsistently which makes Microcalibration useless. Wait till the new lens is out and do your research....

So.

...as another UHHer has said....patience grasshopper :-)

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Mar 5, 2017 22:44:35   #
GPS Phil Loc: Dayton Ohio
 
FiddleMaker wrote:
I am giving some thought to getting the Sigma 24-70 DG HSM OS art which has not been released for sale as yet. (Mid-March I am told.) I can get a similar Nikon lens with VR. Here is my question. Is Sigma glass as good as Nikon glass?? I find that some Nikon lenses tend to have too much play in their zoom and focus rings for my liking. My Nikon 40mm is really bad. I don’t want to shell out lots of $$$ only to find out what I bought is a piece of junk. I know nothing about Sigma lenses. Perhaps it is not a good idea to buy something that is new and has no previous past history. Thanks for any advice or opinions.
~FiddleMaker
I am giving some thought to getting the Sigma 24-7... (show quote)


I have two Sigma Art series lenses, the 24-105mm, and the amazing 18-35mm constant 1.8, which is a cropped frame lens. I consider them two of my very best lenses. I am always impressed with the job they do. They are built like tanks and consequently are not considered the lightest option, just a thought!

Phil

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Mar 6, 2017 08:20:12   #
nikon_jon Loc: Northeast Arkansas
 
I have used and owned several Sigma lenses over the years. I have found them to be good lenses, both build and optical quality.

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Mar 6, 2017 09:43:52   #
Mgpfonner
 
I have 4 Sigma lenses for my Pentax K-3. I cannot tell the difference in picture quality between them and the Pentax lens that came with the camera. I would recommend Sigma to anyone who wants a quality lens at a reasonable price.

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