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Feb 27, 2017 09:17:51   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Lance Pearson wrote:
One of the reasons I put my 150-600mm tamron lens in the cabinet is that it was just too much work to fool with to get good results and the batting average was not high enough. I don't do macro photography for the same reason. Tried both but despite understanding how did not like the effort that it took to get good results. My sweet spot is probably a 28-200mm range over a couple lenses with a f 1.4 35 or 50mm prime in terms of general photgraphy. I will sell the Tamron 150-600mm when I get around to posting it and some past cameras on Ebay.
One of the reasons I put my 150-600mm tamron lens ... (show quote)


You may want to revisit the lens. It is different from shooting with a 24-70, or anything else. Different is only difficult at first. Like driving a car for the first time. Then learning to drive a manual transmission, then buying a new car and things are in very different places than they were in your previous car. Embracing the change will help you do a wider variety of photography. If you only shoot the same things with the same lenses, your pictures will lack spontaneity.

Also, it's not hard to get good results if you have good technique to begin with - hold 'er steady, breathe right, snap the shutter an the end of an exhale - and you should be good to go. Others on this thread have seen this image and it's crop, but it is the first image I took with my new Sigma Sport 150-600 - at only 1/25 sec hand held - I was curious to see if the optical stabilization lived up to Sigma's claims. I've had about an hour with the G2, and found that though there are some differences, I could be very happy with it as well. There is no reason other than spending an hour or so with the lens that you wouldn't be able to get results as good as, or probably much better than this.


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Feb 27, 2017 09:22:38   #
Lance Pearson Loc: Viriginia
 
Nice images. I never using the techniques you said or tripods and remote releases got results that good with the Tamron.

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Feb 27, 2017 09:34:05   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
Apaflo wrote:
Not rash at all, just astute. The author has loads of experiece in many very interesting areas. I didn't look far enough to be able to judge his overall technical ability, but he clearly has great artistic talent.

But this pertains to his experience with and ability to understand long lenses using bleeding edge vibration reduction. He made it obvious that he has little to no understanding of the technology or how to use it in practice. According to his own statements he is still not using correct techniques to get consistent results. You can claim he has enough experience but that implies inability to learn. I don't agree. He is smart enough and talented enough, even if perhaps not a techie. With enough experience he will work it out. Maybe his first three articles written on this weren't so good, but number four might be, with added experience, just excellent.
Not rash at all, just astute. The author has load... (show quote)

I understand your thoughts and it's interesting that you mentioned his artistic abilities. He is an artist turned photographer and often his worked is PP'd to the extent that he sometimes has a little too much flare with his interpretations,if you will. He has been basically shooting the Tetons for about 20 years and we have been following his work for several. I just wanted to present his views to go along with the thread.

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Feb 27, 2017 09:37:47   #
Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
Gene51 wrote:
You may want to revisit the lens. It is different from shooting with a 24-70, or anything else. Different is only difficult at first. Like driving a car for the first time. Then learning to drive a manual transmission, then buying a new car and things are in very different places than they were in your previous car. Embracing the change will help you do a wider variety of photography. If you only shoot the same things with the same lenses, your pictures will lack spontaneity.

Also, it's not hard to get good results if you have good technique to begin with - hold 'er steady, breathe right, snap the shutter an the end of an exhale - and you should be good to go. Others on this thread have seen this image and it's crop, but it is the first image I took with my new Sigma Sport 150-600 - at only 1/25 sec hand held - I was curious to see if the optical stabilization lived up to Sigma's claims. I've had about an hour with the G2, and found that though there are some differences, I could be very happy with it as well. There is no reason other than spending an hour or so with the lens that you wouldn't be able to get results as good as, or probably much better than this.
You may want to revisit the lens. It is different ... (show quote)

I often am amused at people posting many very pretty pictures that simply do not demonstrate their point. These two are different!

Clearly that lens focuses sharply, and the vibration reduction works extremely well when properly used. That is a great demo.

The clear message should be that if someone doesn't get that level of quality it is not because of the lens. And that is essentially true for both the Sigma models, both the Tamron models, and for the Nikon 80-400mm and 200-500mm lenses.

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Feb 27, 2017 10:07:47   #
agillot
 
do some pics in auto focus and redo same in manual focus , see if they look same .

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Feb 27, 2017 11:32:27   #
griffj98
 
Had the same problem with my new Tamron 150-600 G2 mounted on my Nikon D810. Everything soft or poorly focused. Returned the lens to B&H for a refund.

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Feb 27, 2017 12:02:53   #
BernieF
 
I have the same lens and the same body as well as a D750-body. The D7100 and the G2 lens just doesn't go well tohether for me either for some reason. While it works just fine with the D750 and much better than my previous G1-version of this lens. Maybe it's the D750:s much better af-system? With the D7100 the lens hunts a lot before aquaring focus, and suddenly just looses focus even on static subjects. Really strange. And I'm using the same settings on both cameras: AFC, single point AF, VC on (tried all three variants). I've also tried dynamic 21 AF and it seemed even worse, as expected because of the risk that the af switches to something in the back- or foreground with higher contrast.

Read through this whole thread and I hope some of the other tips might help you as I have none to offer myself. Just can't work out why this lens, at least my copy, does so poorly with my D7100.

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Feb 27, 2017 12:20:26   #
Mike Jackson Loc: Jackson Hole, WY
 
Thanks for the comments here about my post. I am taking all of them constructively! I think there are a couple of "takeaways"...

First: Tamron's Quality Control was lacking when they shipped my new lens so far out of whack.

Second: No one reads a lens manual until they see they are having problems. The new G2 lenses have some new features that are not intuitive by looking at MODE 1, MODE 2, and MODE 3 on the side of the barrel, so you definitely need to read the manual on this one.

Style wise? I definitely could have taken a different approach. I chose the title: "Tamron 150-600mm G2 Lens: My Experiences" and I included a paragraph at the very beginning that asks people to NOT form an opinion until they read the whole thing. After that, my post was intended to report "my experiences" in more or less a linear mode, starting with the bad sample and ending with more consistent, good results if you pick the right VC for the situation.

https://www.bestofthetetons.com/2017/02/26/tamron-150-600mm-g2-lens-my-experiences/

After reading the comments here, I might consider flipping the article upside down and suggest the lens "can" take wonderful shots (if you get a good copy to start with), if you read the manual up front and are careful with the VC settings. Yes...I'll fix that right now.

Cheers,
Mike Jackson

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Feb 27, 2017 13:25:34   #
Jim Bob
 
Apaflo wrote:
I often am amused at people posting many very pretty pictures that simply do not demonstrate their point. These two are different!

Clearly that lens focuses sharply, and the vibration reduction works extremely well when properly used. That is a great demo.

The clear message should be that if someone doesn't get that level of quality it is not because of the lens. And that is essentially true for both the Sigma models, both the Tamron models, and for the Nikon 80-400mm and 200-500mm lenses.
I often am amused at people posting many very pret... (show quote)


Sometimes it is because of the lens. However, I agree with your general view that people often post images that fail to demonstrate their point and frequently also have little or no relevance to the OP.

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Feb 27, 2017 13:43:15   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
Mike Jackson wrote:
Thanks for the comments here about my post. I am taking all of them constructively! I think there are a couple of "takeaways"...

First: Tamron's Quality Control was lacking when they shipped my new lens so far out of whack.

Second: No one reads a lens manual until they see they are having problems. The new G2 lenses have some new features that are not intuitive by looking at MODE 1, MODE 2, and MODE 3 on the side of the barrel, so you definitely need to read the manual on this one.

Style wise? I definitely could have taken a different approach. I chose the title: "Tamron 150-600mm G2 Lens: My Experiences" and I included a paragraph at the very beginning that asks people to NOT form an opinion until they read the whole thing. After that, my post was intended to report "my experiences" in more or less a linear mode, starting with the bad sample and ending with more consistent, good results if you pick the right VC for the situation.

https://www.bestofthetetons.com/2017/02/26/tamron-150-600mm-g2-lens-my-experiences/

After reading the comments here, I might consider flipping the article upside down and suggest the lens "can" take wonderful shots (if you get a good copy to start with), if you read the manual up front and are careful with the VC settings. Yes...I'll fix that right now.

Cheers,
Mike Jackson
Thanks for the comments here about my post. I am t... (show quote)


I didn't realize you belonged to the forum,Mike! We may swing through and holler in October,we know where you go! Dave/Kathy.

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Feb 27, 2017 14:16:07   #
Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
Mike Jackson wrote:
... No one reads a lens manual until they see they are having problems. The new G2 lenses have some new features that are not intuitive by looking at MODE 1, MODE 2, and MODE 3 on the side of the barrel, so you definitely need to read the manual on this one.

I was reading the manual for my Tamron G2 before it was ever mounted on a camera or even had the caps removed. New cameras take their first shot only with an open manual, already partially read, sitting in front of me.

I can't imagine not reading the manual for any high tech device that is at all complex. Things like remote radio triggers, flash units, even tripods.

It seems there is lesson to be learned there, eh? Read manuals!

But read other things too, because no manual for a lens will warn you to turn VR off if the shutter speed is 1/2000. None of them will even hint at why. And none will explain that it is more critical on a D810 or a D7200 than on a D300 or D3s.

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Feb 27, 2017 14:19:03   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
Apaflo wrote:
I was reading the manual for my Tamron G2 before it was ever mounted on a camera or even had the caps removed. New cameras take their first shot only with an open manual, already partially read, sitting in front of me.

I can't imagine not reading the manual for any high tech device that is at all complex. Things like remote radio triggers, flash units, even tripods.

It seems there is lesson to be learned there, eh? Read manuals!


Do you ever stop at gas stations for directions? LOL! Most of us don't. Clyde,don't tell me you study a map before venturing out every time. Then again,you can always head north!

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Feb 27, 2017 14:36:39   #
Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
DaveO wrote:
Do you ever stop at gas stations for directions? LOL! Most of us don't. Clyde,don't tell me you study a map before venturing out every time. Then again,you can always head north!

Most of my life I navigated using IFR. That is I Follow the River. Here that doesn't work, but note that going north isn't likely, nor is east or west. South is a requirement. And coming home is just a matter of heading for the coast and following that. In the summer any way. In winter the trick is to look at which way the snow drifts go and use that for directions.

There is only one gas station here, and there are no gas stations along the way to anywhere. And checking a map before/during a venture into a new area is essential to staying alive.

Of course today a "map" is a GPS. I can't imagine you would not use one. Or not read the manual.

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Feb 27, 2017 14:44:22   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
Apaflo wrote:
Most of my life I navigated using IFR. That is I Follow the River. Here that doesn't work, but note that going north isn't likely, nor is east or west. South is a requirement. And coming home is just a matter of heading for the coast and following that. In the summer any way. In winter the trick is to look at which way the snow drifts go and use that for directions.

There is only one gas station here, and there are no gas stations along the way to anywhere. And checking a map before/during a venture into a new area is essential to staying alive.

Of course today a "map" is a GPS. I can't imagine you would not use one. Or not read the manual.
Most of my life I navigated using IFR. That is b... (show quote)


Your response is somewhat dry considering the relative humidity in your area is roughly 76% today at -13.

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Feb 27, 2017 15:26:34   #
Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
DaveO wrote:
Your response is somewhat dry considering the relative humidity in your area is roughly 76% today at -13.

Not sure what you mean? The RH here sometimes gets lower than that, but more commonly is higher. The current temperature is cooler than the past few days, but with winds at 13 MPH it is now pretty mild. The previous two days saw 30-40 MPH winds most of the time, with visibility rarely above 1 mile. Early February was colder, and early March will be windy. In late April and early May we hunt Bowhead whales on the ice. In June we have Nalukataq (click for Wikipedia; the photographs are mine).

It really is not possible to relate your location, or the value systems that operate there, to my location. There simply is no place in the Lower-48 that is anything like the culture here. The value systems are different because the physical and natural environment is not the same.

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