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Jun 15, 2012 13:08:02   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
jenny wrote:
...as long as you keep things modest you won't get the reputation of being the photographer who
does the trashy stuff in your town.

That's where you draw the line - at your reputation.

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Jun 15, 2012 13:20:30   #
Old Timer Loc: Greenfield, In.
 
Would I like to see some one close to me in that pose whether they approved or not, all though legal I think is the question that has to be asked, there is moral responsibly to your self and to the other people that could be effected is my thinking. I have found out if you reverse the situation and truthfully answered the question you would have the answer.

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Jun 15, 2012 13:24:35   #
PNagy Loc: Missouri City, Texas
 
Old Timer wrote:
Where do you draw a line on shooting a suggestive pose, one that you would not want to see your Wife, and or Daughter have taken? I have been ask to shoot some of them for young women, not illegal but on the racy or suggestive side. If I would not be comfortable with a family member having a picture in the pose, I think that would be a good guide line to go by. Others say that I am setting the standard arbitrarily and it is not my decision as long as it is legal, I disagree with that and I have the right to refuse. I agree that there is a lot them on adds and Tv.
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So long as I do not appear in the credits I will shoot any pose for a reasonable fee.

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Jun 15, 2012 13:27:31   #
Linden
 
Roger Hicks wrote:
mafadecay wrote:
I have been putting it off for some time now and inevitably I will have to do it so I do not damage our friendship. He is a different person to me and just would not understand my reasoning. Some might say "If he doesn't understand or respect my wishes then perhaps he is not a friend worth having". I can't explain it any better but its much deeper than this.


Just tell him that you don't think you could get good pictures, and that you'd prefer not to try, rather than screwing up.

Cheers,


R.
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I wonder if its possible to be open and honest and still protect the integrity of the friendship. I wonder if you are worried he won't understand why you don't want to photograph his occupation. He likely won't be offended if you can be honest and supportive of his pastime. If what he does is legal and moral, then the only righteous reason you could have to refuse would be on personal grounds. You should be able to explain your refusal in that it makes you squeamish or upsets you to see the explicitness of it all. But be sure to also explain you appreciate his ability to do that work.
The truth shall set you free, and in the end the friendship can develop with respect.

Good luck,

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Jun 15, 2012 13:39:30   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
mafadecay wrote:
If you say no you are only upsetting the model, the parents and maybe a handful of their friends that they go moaning to. This negativity will blow over quickly. Where as a lot more bad can come if you do decide to go ahead and shoot the images. The kind of stuff that will stick with you and will never blow over. Alsways safe guard yourself for the future! Even if the model is of legal age I still insist they have a chaperone and quite often I get my wife to sit in too. This way no rumours or lies can ever evolve.

I have turned pro for a few years now and have been in similar situations where I politely refused. I earn very good money and do often have to turn down work.

I am now faced with a similar situation as yours. My neighbour is a gamekeeper. He is a good friend and we do favours for each other. His humour is not like mine at all and we struggle to talk most of the time but if one of us needs something the other drops what ever we are doing and helps.

He shoots and traps all sorts of animals and in the past I have taken some really gritty and dark shots of his prey. These were not too graphic and he sent a few to some sporting magazines one even won a competition that I got credit for. This was not too much of a problem for me.

He now wants me to get some really bloody detailed shots of him gutting the animals and showing all the bullet holes etc. I do not agree with some of his principles and yet I do not wish to upset him and he simply can't grasp the fact that I do not want to do it.

I have been putting it off for some time now and inevitably I will have to do it so I do not damage our friendship. He is a different person to me and just would not understand my reasoning. Some might say "If he doesn't understand or respect my wishes then perhaps he is not a friend worth having". I can't explain it any better but its much deeper than this.
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Maybe you could refer him to another photographer.

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Jun 15, 2012 13:42:01   #
Deewheat
 
There is an enormous difference in refusing to shoot a gay wedding and refusing to shoot nudity that you feel is out of your comfort zone. No court is going to tell you that you must shoot pornography. If you shoot other weddings and refuse to shoot a gay wedding simply because the participants are of the same sex, then yeah, you may well have more problems than just disapproving a lifestyle.

My personal feeling is that shooting a gay wedding, for the photographers purposes, is no different than shooting a hetero wedding or, for that matter, any event. You aren't there to validate their union, you're there to document it. You're not endorsing or encouraging a lifestyle that you may find personally uncomfortable or even repugnant. You're taking pictures and making money at it, nothing more or less.

That being said, there is nudity and there is trashiness. Again, if you feel comfortable shooting suggestive or even overtly sexual matter, more power to you. If you don't, then more power to you as well. We all have different comfort levels, and if you routinely refuse other shoots that you feel are pornography you are not singling out one group because you happen to disagree with something that the courts have seen fit to declare a personal liberty, and that IS your right.

Again, this is merely my personal opinion on this issue, and opinions are, like many other things, worth exactly what they cost LOL.

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Jun 15, 2012 13:48:20   #
CaptainC Loc: Colorado, south of Denver
 
I think if they are over 18 and it is not pornographic, I would probably shoot what the client wants. Under 18 is a different story and would approach it differently.

For under 18 girls I think I remember a very successful photographer has a rule something like, "suggestive look, suggestive pose, suggestive clothing...only use one." Or something like that. So a suggestive look with a modest pose and modest clothing would be OK. I think I got that right.

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Jun 15, 2012 13:59:25   #
RMM Loc: Suburban New York
 
skidooman wrote:
Wasn't there a recent court case a couple of days ago in NM that a photographer lost, because he didn't want to photograph a gay couples wedding because of his religous beliefs?

I could be wrong on this, but it sure seems to ring a bell. Anyone else hear about this?

Slowly but surely, business owners are losing their right reserve the right to refuse service.

I'd want to see the details about the NM case before reaching any conclusions. I do have a hard time equating photographing a gay wedding with providing medical attention. There are lots of wedding photographers and their services are non-essential, so if one doesn't want the job, where's the sense of urgency?

The flip side, of course, is the restaurant owner who, in the past, pursued a "Whites Only" policy. There are lots of restaurants, so why not go to another one? We've moved beyond that point. At least, we're supposed to have done so. In a way, gays are the new blacks, though I dare say many blacks wouldn't agree that they'd given up their position of disadvantage yet.

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Jun 15, 2012 14:16:36   #
AnnaZ Loc: SW Wis.
 
The guy that wants his "butchering skills" photographed........a simple "the sight of blood makes me puke/pass out"............pick your answer. I'd not want someone taking pix if they're gonna hurl or are unconscious on the ground..............

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Jun 15, 2012 14:43:40   #
mafadecay Loc: Wales UK
 
I have made my neighbour sound like a monster. He is a nice guy and an animal lover. He keeps dogs but they are for his work but he loves my dog and I keep seeing him making a fuss of our cats through the window.

He is humain and keeps within the law with licences galore for this and that. The RSPCA (Royal society for the prevention of cruilty to animals) keep calling in on him and can't pick faults with how he works.

I have even helped him with the odd thing and he does not do it for sport. The trouble is he knows I can shoot a photo he has seen my work many times and even helped me a on shoots a few times. I have done photography for him (all free, thats the way we work). He knows im not that squeemish too.

Its just that bit too far over the line for my liking. I will do it though. He can count on me as I can count on him if I need help but I will hate every second and remember it, probably for the rest of my life.

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Jun 15, 2012 14:59:07   #
Deewheat
 
I can understand your situation completely. I subsistence hunted with my dad for years and could field dress a deer by the time I was nine or ten. It's not everyone's cup of tea, though, even if somewhere in the back of their minds they know that that nice big juicy steak they're consuming once breathed LOL! The truth is, what he is doing is far more humane than the methods employed by any commercial meat packing company, but that probably wouldn't be a lot of consolation as you feel your stomach contents rise into your throat.

Sounds as though the two of you have a good friendship. Just gently explain to him what the limits of your comfort zone are. It shouldn't be a friendship breaker. If he wants it done for a contest of some kind, maybe he just thinks your skills as a photographer are better than anyone else's and that your shooting the process will help him win

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Jun 15, 2012 15:09:29   #
RMM Loc: Suburban New York
 
Just make him promise that when you upchuck on the carcass, that shot has to be submitted along with the rest.

And I recommend a VERY light breakfast!

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Jun 15, 2012 15:56:06   #
davejann Loc: Portland Oregon
 
skidooman wrote:
les_stockton wrote:
I've seen sexually suggestive photographs (although no nudity) of under-aged girls. I'm sure no laws were broken, but if I were asked to do them, I would not. I'd rather photograph legal aged women willing to do such suggestive poses, but not kids.


Yeah, I'd have to agree. Besides, if a parent or guardian wants a suggestive pose of their minor, that's nobody I want to do business with.


Besides, perhaps they should be reported?

Dave

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Jun 15, 2012 16:00:11   #
PNagy Loc: Missouri City, Texas
 
davejann wrote:
skidooman wrote:
les_stockton wrote:
I've seen sexually suggestive photographs (although no nudity) of under-aged girls. I'm sure no laws were broken, but if I were asked to do them, I would not. I'd rather photograph legal aged women willing to do such suggestive poses, but not kids.


Yeah, I'd have to agree. Besides, if a parent or guardian wants a suggestive pose of their minor, that's nobody I want to do business with.


Besides, perhaps they should be reported?

To qualify a previous response of mine on this thread, I would not shoot illegal porn, such as snuff or underage nudity or sex.


Dave
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Jun 15, 2012 16:15:34   #
davejann Loc: Portland Oregon
 
mafadecay wrote:
I have made my neighbour sound like a monster. He is a nice guy and an animal lover. He keeps dogs but they are for his work but he loves my dog and I keep seeing him making a fuss of our cats through the window.

He is humain and keeps within the law with licences galore for this and that. The RSPCA (Royal society for the prevention of cruilty to animals) keep calling in on him and can't pick faults with how he works.

I have even helped him with the odd thing and he does not do it for sport. The trouble is he knows I can shoot a photo he has seen my work many times and even helped me a on shoots a few times. I have done photography for him (all free, thats the way we work). He knows im not that squeemish too.

Its just that bit too far over the line for my liking. I will do it though. He can count on me as I can count on him if I need help but I will hate every second and remember it, probably for the rest of my life.
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If, what he wants documented, is essentially clinical, think of the work in those terms. You would be recording/documenting the proper way to do what needs to be done to harvest these animal with minimal suffering and waste.

Perhaps, if you went to your local hospital's library and browsed a copy of The Journal of Bone and Joint Surgery or The Journal of Trauma, you might obtain a new perspective.

Dave

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