Selene03

And, it updates new cameras and lenses much faster than the old versions did. I didn't think I would like cc Photoshop and Lightroom, but I do.

tomh1313 Loc: Burrowsville, VA

Newbie here so be gentle guys. I am hoping to move beyond basic editing and asked my wife for a copy of Lightroom CC and a guide book for it as Christmas presents. It seemed at the time, Lightroom was the program to use according to how often I heard it positively mentioned. Now I am not so sure. Don't like the fact that you have to "resubscribe" each year in order to keep using the program from what I have heard. Maybe I should have just learned the free Corel Software Suite included with a lens I also received for Christmas.

blackest Loc: Ireland

The pirated copies far from costing adobe money established them in the industry leading position they are in now. What Piracy did do was crush Adobe's competitors. How many adolescents trained themselves with adobe products and those that entered the industry got legal copies?
The subscription model seems to be supporting and breathing life into its competitors, do i want to pay x now for this and free updates (for as long as it lasts) or do I want to pay so much a month for the rest of my life...

The Rental system is pretty much the only way to keep making money from a mature product the important stuff is built in already.

For example I have Adobe lightroom 5 i bought that when 6 was out because 6 wouldn't run on the version of osx I was using. I have very little incentive to upgrade to Lightroom 6 it would cost me $79 approximately. Lightroom 6 brings me pet red eye and the haze filter. I don't use flash around my pets and affinity photo has a haze filter built in. My camera's are all supported and so are the operating systems i use.

For Adobe to get my money now there would have to be no Lightroom 5, they are not competing with their competitors but with themselves.

I would hazard a guess most of us have some form of Microsoft Word , mac users maybe use Pages instead but ...
Ok so who is using the 2016 version of Word and who is using an older version there is a pretty good chance the 2016 users are in a minority. Why isn't everyone using 2016 pretty much because the older versions work and it would cost to go to the 2016 version of Word.

Thats another mature product.

What happens if i sign up to CC so i get the latest bestest lightroom I get a monthly bill and the ability to upset my animals with a flash gun and be able to rescue the shot, whoop and if i stop paying, I get limited functionality :(

So far i haven't seen a fully functional replacement for lightroom, so I will stick with lightroom for now, why not I paid for it.

Software is an interesting product once developed it has a marginal distribution cost and thats when people are buying it from you. Pirated software has its own distribution channels. Burke photo said a software developer has to eat or words to that effect, Adobe made over 5 Billion Dollars profit last year! Just what are those fella's eating?



Are you aware that you can get pirated CC versions today now, they are identical to the ones you are renting apart from the license module has been patched so the software doesn't fail the licensing check. The fella's who patched it probably did it for free. now keeping two very similar product lines being developed where one gets the latest features and the other doesn't that could be expensive.

markngolf Loc: Bridgewater, NJ

Both. I did have older 24 - 70mm L f/2.8 version I and a 70 - 200mm L f/2.8 version I that I sold on eBay for a total of $2300 before buying the version II models.

DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA

You don't have to resubscribe every year. You do have to pay the license on a regular basis to keep the software running completely.

I subscribed several years ago. Gave them my credit card #. They charge my credit card $9.99 (plus sales tax) monthly. If there was a way to pay it annually I missed it when I subscribed, but a $127.36 annual payment would be more noticeable than a $10.61 payment monthly (6.25% sales tax in MA).

If your credit card expires they send you an email. You just give them the new information online and it's done. If you quit paying (via expired credit card) or if you tell them to unsubscribe you, the program will work to search your photos and print them out, but it won't edit them.

It's very similar to the toll transponder I have in my car. I put $25 into the account a long time ago. When I drive on a toll highway they extract the toll from my balance. When my balance drops below $10 they charge my credit card to bring the balance back up. An investment of $25 is definitely worth the convenience of breezing through toll booths. The only drawback is that I don't know how much the toll is. However, I can look it up online when I get to a place where I can get online.

markngolf Loc: Bridgewater, NJ

Part of my response was not included. Sorry.
I agree with your comments about "two sides"..
As for Jerry, send him a PM and attach a bill for the bet. If he does not pay off (assuming you win) Let us know. He'll be sorry!! LOL
Mark

Mike N Loc: Fairbanks, Alaska

I agree the $9.99 per mo. will not break the bank. Although I am glad that my Windows 7 did not automatically "upgrade" to Windows 8.0, 8.1 or even 10.0. My only experience with subscription software is with Quickbooks payroll. I do the payroll for a small church (2 daycare workers, 2 people who alternate cleaning the building each week). When I started the payroll module was about $200 a year, and progressed each year to last year $549.00. Plus if using the payroll module you had to upgrade to the latest version of Quickbooks ($269.00) every 3 years, not counting probably upgrading your hardware to run it. I finally cancelled the service and started doing the payroll by hand.

DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA

I should also mention that although Lightroom is a reasonably good basic editor, the primary reason I use it is that it is an organizational tool that allows me to find images I put in the database (the catalog).

As an editor, LR can be beat by several other programs, but it does handshakes with Photoshop which is the king of editors. You can send an image from LR directly to PS, work on it, then send it right back to LR as a new image. It's in the catalog with the same keywords. That handshaking makes it the best available program in my opinion.

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dcampbell52 Loc: Clearwater Fl

You are correct! And, if they want, they can pay 6months at a time or for the entire year in one payment. And, I believe Adobe gives a discount if you pay by the 6months and I know they do by the year.

SusanFromVermont Loc: Southwest corner of Vermont

Does the new computer have internet service? If so, why don't you go to Adobe's website, pay the licensing fee, and download the programs you want? These days this is the way to get a lot of things installed on your computer! Editing programs, virus protection programs, eBooks, etc. are all downloadable. No CD required...

beorn80 Loc: Battle Creek, Michigan

To throw a change up, to worrying about who's cloud we are on, take the time to look up AFFINITY PHOTO.Plus I was reading that if you go straight to Adobe, you can get CC for 7.99,opposed to 9.99. Plus ,Topaz has 5-6 six programs that are nice from the 17 offered. I like more than the bloggers myself.Rent,steal,lease, or buy,if you have the money why stress it. Photography is a art form. If you can point shoot and be done ,more power to you. If you have very little disposable income, be the best you can with what you have. Photography is a labor of love, life just leads us to, who has the most fun toys. lol!Look forward to reading about ,all this cool stuff everyone is sharing. I am kinda new to HedgeHog land!!! I really do enjoy reading how Hogs do things, not to mention sharing some awesomeness photos. I am just gonna cruise along enjoying stuff, and will start posting some of my dahlia pictures taken on my first camera,an old Kodak Box Camera (kidding).lol! Enuff yada ,yada, Rock the House Kids, enjoy the beauty God has given us!

Bozsik Loc: Orangevale, California

Quantus5

What Photoshop CC and Lightroom CC are really all about is a subscription model.

In the end, are you a renter or a buyer? and what's the long term cost?

Subscription isn't always more expensive, but in this case it adds up. $10 a month is around $120 a year and $350 over three years.

Now let's look at a really good alternative to Photoshop. I'll use Corel PaintShop Pro as an example, but there are other really good ones as well.

The current copy of PaintShop Pro X9 will cost you around $50 (just checked and that's around what you can get it for on Amazon).

I usually upgrade software around every three years, so for me that $50 cost is the three year cost. So compare $50 versus ~$360 (over a three year period).

And it's not really about the money, PaintShop Pro is a fantastic program and almost goes toe to toe with Photoshop CC. It's actually really hard to find anything meaningful that Photoshop CC can do that PaintShop Pro can't. I love this alternative.

I personally dislike the subscription business model (because over time it can add up -- depending on the monthly fee).

In general, given the choice I prefer to be a "buyer" not a "renter", and my choice on a great alternative is very clear: "Corel Paint Shop Pro", and there are other great alternatives out there as well.

Vince68 Loc: Wappingers Falls, NY

I think that announcement pertains to Creative Suite 6, not Lightroom 6. What I saw on Photo Rumors was LR6 was still going be be available in freestanding form. Here is the text of the announcement, and link is below.

You can no longer purchase Adobe Creative Suite 6
By PR admin | Published: January 28, 2017

"Adobe recently updated their website and apparently you no longer can purchase Adobe Creative Suite 6 as of January 9th, 2017. The only way to get the latest versions of Photoshop or Illustrator is with a Creative Cloud membership (see pricing): Adobe creative apps are available exclusively through Creative Cloud. Looking for Creative Suite 6? The latest versions of all your favorite apps like Photoshop and Illustrator are only available with a Creative Cloud membership. You’ll also get hundreds of step-by-step tutorials, built-in design templates, your own portfolio website, and more. As of January 9, 2017 Creative Suite is no longer available for purchase. On several occasions Adobe has reassured its customer base that Lightroom will not go to the cloud, but I think it is just a matter of time given the record revenue the company reported after the cloud subscription was introduced."

http://photorumors.com/2017/01/28/you-can-no-longer-purchase-adobe-creative-suite-6/