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Jan 18, 2017 10:30:02   #
daplight Loc: Kansas
 
Thanks, first, to everyone responding. There are many great suggestions.

Maybe some of you misunderstood my hesitance. I am not a teacher, just someone who loves photography. And, no, I am not charging money. I would love to discuss, demonstrate, critique (constructively of course) photography to a young person. I guess I was trying make the distinction that they be genuinely interested. If they are, then I think I would get just as much back, rewards of teaching a young person about lessons I've learned in my studies, and, rekindling my love for photography in the process. Maybe I'm unrealistic, expecting kids to be a little more resourceful and making an effort themselves to pursue something they're interested in, instead of being enabled by parents.

One of the first lessons I would teach is for them to subscribe to UHH. This is a great forum, and I am continuing to learn myself.

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Jan 18, 2017 10:34:16   #
davidrb Loc: Half way there on the 45th Parallel
 
daplight wrote:
Maybe some of you out there have been approached by a parent, asking something like: "My little Johnnie, (or Suzy), has been told he/she has knack for photography, can you teach him/her?"

My first impression is that this parent is 'helicoptering' into the kid's space to try and motivate them to get busy and do something. When I first got interested in photography I pursued it on my own, reading books, magazines, etc. I've tried to mentor a teen before, but became frustrated when they didn't show the commitment and missed prearranged appointments.

I would be more than willing to discuss the many complexities of photography to a willing student, but I would like to see them approach me, asking for themselves, rather than the parent. Thoughts anyone? How would you handle the request from the well-meaning parent?
Maybe some of you out there have been approached b... (show quote)


Hold your ground. The parent made an inquiry. Figure a way to approach the kid and ask them of their interest. The kid's response will determine your next course of action. Cut the parent off early and insist that you are going to determine if the kid is a keeper or the parent is just fishing. Good luck.

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Jan 18, 2017 10:46:26   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
daplight wrote:
...One of the first lessons I would teach is for them to subscribe to UHH. This is a great forum, and I am continuing to learn myself.


Except for this part of "terms of use"

ALL PERSONS UNDER THE AGE OF 18 ARE DENIED ACCESS TO THIS WEBSITE. IF YOU ARE UNDER 18 YEARS OF AGE, IT IS UNLAWFUL FOR YOU TO VISIT, READ, OR INTERACT WITH THIS WEBSITE OR ITS CONTENTS IN ANY MANNER.

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Jan 18, 2017 11:50:45   #
Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
daplight wrote:
... Maybe some of you misunderstood my hesitance. I am not a teacher, just someone who loves photography.

That is very clear, and very important.

You probably cannot help the kid at all in any direct way, but you may be able to help the parent that talked to you. Find a photography teacher. The emphasis is on "teacher" not on "photography". The teacher need not even be much of a photographer, though that would really be nice. But an active or retired school teacher, who has special training and experience working with teens of the same age is the important part. You are not that, but you might well be able to find someone who is!

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Jan 18, 2017 12:19:37   #
daplight Loc: Kansas
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Except for this part of "terms of use"

ALL PERSONS UNDER THE AGE OF 18 ARE DENIED ACCESS TO THIS WEBSITE. IF YOU ARE UNDER 18 YEARS OF AGE, IT IS UNLAWFUL FOR YOU TO VISIT, READ, OR INTERACT WITH THIS WEBSITE OR ITS CONTENTS IN ANY MANNER.


Good catch, thank you and I should have known. I have a lot of books on photography, I'll just have to go through them and see if there is anything 'questionable' for young eyes.

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Jan 18, 2017 12:29:59   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
daplight wrote:
Good catch, thank you and I should have known. I have a lot of books on photography, I'll just have to go through them and see if there is anything 'questionable' for young eyes.


Of course a nude female shoot might get a young teenage males interest in photography.

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Jan 18, 2017 12:34:18   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Except for this part of "terms of use"

ALL PERSONS UNDER THE AGE OF 18 ARE DENIED ACCESS TO THIS WEBSITE. IF YOU ARE UNDER 18 YEARS OF AGE, IT IS UNLAWFUL FOR YOU TO VISIT, READ, OR INTERACT WITH THIS WEBSITE OR ITS CONTENTS IN ANY MANNER.


Yes, but Linda, if these kids don't hang out in the Nude Section, how will they learn about the Birds and the Bees?
Your not suggesting they learn that from their parents...., are you?!?! LoL. Hey, just kidding!!!!!!
SS

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Jan 18, 2017 15:36:56   #
daplight Loc: Kansas
 
Apaflo wrote:
That is very clear, and very important.

You probably cannot help the kid at all in any direct way, but you may be able to help the parent that talked to you. Find a photography teacher. The emphasis is on "teacher" not on "photography". The teacher need not even be much of a photographer, though that would really be nice. But an active or retired school teacher, who has special training and experience working with teens of the same age is the important part. You are not that, but you might well be able to find someone who is!
That is very clear, and very important. br br You... (show quote)


I resemble that remark: "You are not that…" How do you know?

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Jan 18, 2017 15:49:41   #
Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
daplight wrote:
I resemble that remark: "You are not that…" How do you know?

You said so, explicitly. And everything else you said, in particular the questions you asked, confirmed it.

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Jan 18, 2017 17:43:21   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
daplight wrote:
Maybe some of you out there have been approached by a parent, asking something like: "My little Johnnie, (or Suzy), has been told he/she has knack for photography, can you teach him/her?"

My first impression is that this parent is 'helicoptering' into the kid's space to try and motivate them to get busy and do something. When I first got interested in photography I pursued it on my own, reading books, magazines, etc. I've tried to mentor a teen before, but became frustrated when they didn't show the commitment and missed prearranged appointments.

I would be more than willing to discuss the many complexities of photography to a willing student, but I would like to see them approach me, asking for themselves, rather than the parent. Thoughts anyone? How would you handle the request from the well-meaning parent?
Maybe some of you out there have been approached b... (show quote)


I do this a lot. KISS remains the golden rule.

Forget about the intricacies and complexities of photography. Forget about lecturing. Forget about homework, memorization etc.

Before you get started, ask if this is something they want and why (often it's because their friend has a camera, he/she thinks they look cool, and want to be cool too). This is in addition to smothering parents living vicariously through their children.

You ain't gonna discuss nuttin' with these kids if this is why they are getting into photography. And even if they aren't, discussion is not how they learn. Most learn by doing "stuff" and lots of empirical, not theoretical or logical learning.

To get started, you may want to tell them to go out and take the best picture they know how to, then bring it to you and THEN you will have something to discuss. If it isn't obvious, ask what they were thinking about when they took the picture, or better put "Why this picture and not another one?" You are not going to teach them anything other than how to be self-critical, and how to think about a shot rather than just mindlessly snap away at a subject. The second question is "Does your picture fulfill your intent?" in so many words. Put another way, "did it come out as you expected?" Which then begs the question "if you had the chance to do it over again, what would you differently?"

The learning experience handled this way will spike their curiosity and get them thinking critically about their stuff - which should be your goal with the newbies.

Remember, there is a good chance that little Johnny or Suzy was made aware of a "talent" by someone other than a photographer or artist, and the claim should be taken with a grain of salt.

Don't forget to let the parents know what the costs to teach their kid will be.

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Jan 18, 2017 17:48:28   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Architect1776 wrote:
First of all you need a different approach. I would not show up either for a lecture on complexities of photography. As a teacher you instill the love of the subject. The wonder of photography or whatever you are doing. If the student is being forced into the instruction it might be possible to turn them but again after a few tries you can get a sense of where it is going. Not enough space here to teach you teaching but your post says it all. I would hate the instruction of complexities.
Turn it down until you learn teaching as an art.
First of all you need a different approach. I woul... (show quote)




Yes, student centered, student-paced learning is always the best solution, especially with the creative side of things. It's not teaching as much as it is a partnering in the exploration of a new "thing."

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Jan 18, 2017 17:50:23   #
jmatacola
 
Personally I would follow along the same lines of your own feelings, say " have johnny/suzy give me a call and tell me what they have questions about". You do have to take the reticent behavior of teenagers into the equation and be welcoming without seeming to be a pervert at the same time. My kids at that age would have an entire conversation using the words: "fine" "good" "I think so" etc.
reaching them when they are still discovering their self-esteem while guarding it is difficult.
good luck
j

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Jan 18, 2017 17:51:11   #
JimH123 Loc: Morgan Hill, CA
 
daplight wrote:
Maybe some of you out there have been approached by a parent, asking something like: "My little Johnnie, (or Suzy), has been told he/she has knack for photography, can you teach him/her?"

My first impression is that this parent is 'helicoptering' into the kid's space to try and motivate them to get busy and do something. When I first got interested in photography I pursued it on my own, reading books, magazines, etc. I've tried to mentor a teen before, but became frustrated when they didn't show the commitment and missed prearranged appointments.

I would be more than willing to discuss the many complexities of photography to a willing student, but I would like to see them approach me, asking for themselves, rather than the parent. Thoughts anyone? How would you handle the request from the well-meaning parent?
Maybe some of you out there have been approached b... (show quote)


I find it starts with letting them do something fun. Perhaps creating a time lapse of something (traffic at an intersection is always fun) and letting them play it back to their friends.

And certainly not a dissertation on the effects of light diffraction at high f-stop numbers, or something equally interesting. Those that truly are interested will find ways to ask lots of questions and you can judge what they might be ready for.

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Jan 18, 2017 17:56:50   #
snfapm1983
 
If your teaching would pick one kid's head up from their iPhone and look at the world instead, it should be enough gratification. It's a different world due to smart phones but I think there's something missing in a lot of young lives. Learning to enjoy Photography may help!

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Jan 18, 2017 18:31:25   #
Photocraig
 
jerryc41 wrote:
I'd begin with subject and composition.



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