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Jan 16, 2017 11:22:00   #
markngolf Loc: Bridgewater, NJ
 
Fabulous images!! Hand held - from a boat??? You are the rock of Gibraltar!! I might be able to afford those if I gave up eating and shelter for a year. LOL
Thanks for posting.
Mark
wotsmith wrote:
I use 2X all the time for bird photography. Usually with the 1DX with a 600mm f4 prime, occasionally with a 300mm f2.8 when I am lending my 600 to my son-in-law. It focuses very quickly and very well. Here are three shots with the 600 and 2x handheld from a boat. I don't see any loss of quality, do you?

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Jan 16, 2017 11:27:33   #
wotsmith Loc: Nashville TN
 
Amen brother!

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Jan 16, 2017 12:14:06   #
RRS Loc: Not sure
 
Yackers wrote:
I tried a 2x converter (genuine Canon) a couple of years back and I was very disappointed. I was expecting a loss of light, but the amount of light I lost was ridiculous and made photographing birds very difficult. I haven't bothered with 2x converters since and I don't think I'll bother in the future. It doesn't matter what grade of optics or "glass" is used it won't make up for the loss of light.


What lens did you use the 2X on, how fast was it? A 2X on an f/2.8 lens only takes it to f/5.6 and it does work fairly well on prime or the 70-200 f/2.8. I've done lots of shots, BIF with a 300mm f/2.8 II with a 2X that are very good. Last week I surprised myself while out looking for Snowy Owls. One of the photographers thought he was seeing an owl so I used a 600 f/4.0 with a 2x and this had to be over one half mile away, two ridges away. It's not a wall hanger but not bad for 9 degrees with a stiff wind. The two green fence posts with white tops were what appeared to be an owl from the distance we were looking. It was hard to even see the fence posts at first. The 2X made my 600 a 1200 at f/8.0.


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Jan 16, 2017 13:00:38   #
davidrb Loc: Half way there on the 45th Parallel
 
amfoto1 wrote:
Which 400mm Mark II? Canon makes two: EF 400/2.8L II IS USM and a 400/4 DO II IS USM.

I don't have either lens... The "Mark III" teleconverters supposedly works slightly better on the f2.8 lens, than on the DO. But the latter is still very good.

Compare either lens with and without 1.4X and 2X, and against each other for yourself: http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=962&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=1&API=2&LensComp=962&CameraComp=453&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0

Optically, there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of difference between the Canon 1.4X II and 1.4X III.

The 2X III was a bigger improvement over earlier versions in terms of image quality (but IMO the II really works quite well on some lenses).

Something I found a bit surprising..... When first introduced Canon's announcement about the III teleconverters mentioned that the new extenders' electronics were designed to slow down auto focus by about 25%. Maybe this was to promote accuracy, since the lens + extender would result in shallower depth of field.

I use both 1.4X II and 2X II. The latter I mostly just use on 300/2.8 and 500/4 primes, where it works great. The 1.4X I use a lot more often, with those same lenses as well as a number of others incl. 135/2, 300/4 and 70-200. Recently got the 100-400 II and plan to experiment using the 1.4X II on it, too.

I have no plans to "upgrade" to the 1.4X III, because I just don't see much or any difference compared to the II version.

While it works fine on my 300 and 500mm primes, I definitely won't use the 2X II on any zooms. Haven't found a zoom + 2X II combo that gives me images I'm happy with. Some people feel the EF 70-200/2.8L IS "Mark II" with the 2X III works very well... (much better than the combo of the earlier versions of each). But I wouldn't expect it to come close to the quality of a 400mm prime and won't be running out to buy it because other lenses in my kit handle the focal length.
Which 400mm Mark II? Canon makes two: EF 400/2.8L ... (show quote)


The significant difference between the ii and the iii converters is the electronics. Canon wants the extenders to communicate with the lens. According to Canon the optics in the two pieces is the same.

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Jan 16, 2017 13:03:26   #
wotsmith Loc: Nashville TN
 
Ha, I am 76 years old with shoulders that have had 4 operations. You don't know what you can do until you try. you only hold the camera and lens when you shoot, then put it down or let it hang from a strap. I did have a tripod that I sat the camera on when I got tired and it was a calm lake. I try to look at what other photographers do and do likewise. I am not crazy about getting tired arms from handholding, but the facts are, I can't get good bird photos most of the time on a tripod, so i hand hold.

I am blessed that in retirement I have the resources to travel to good places for photography; how much long that remains true is yet to be seen. But I very much believe that staying active and doing all you can, extends what you can do. Loving' it while I can!
Bill

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Jan 16, 2017 13:26:20   #
Regis Loc: Coeur d' Alene, Idaho
 
myrocket wrote:
I have the 1 .4 ii which works pretty well.I have heard nothing too positive about the 2x. Has anyone tried the newer 2xiii?
Canons says the only difference is a improvment in the glass. But the saleman on the phone did not seem too excited about it.
I shoot mainly surf photography and wildlife.
Thanks
Bruce


Just look at my posted photos using my Canon 2.0x III with my Canon 400 II DO f4. Extremely sharp and full, fast auto-focusing.

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Jan 16, 2017 13:33:57   #
Haydon
 
Regis wrote:
Just look at my posted photos using my Canon 2.0x III with my Canon 400 II DO f4. Extremely sharp and full, fast auto-focusing.


He's probably referring to the old 400 5.6L and not a new $7000.00 lens. Primes have always been the best candidate for teleconverters in 1.4x & 2.0. Since he shoots surf shots, he won't have autofocus in AI Servo at F11. No matter the combination there is always a hit with a teleconverter with autofocus and IQ compared to a native lens. We've had this discussion before.

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Jan 16, 2017 13:36:18   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
Regis wrote:
Just look at my posted photos using my Canon 2.0x III with my Canon 400 II DO f4. Extremely sharp and full, fast auto-focusing.

Yep they are terrific. But using the 2x III with my 70-200 f/4 L IS USM on my Canon 7D2 was much more problematic. My lens is super sharp on its own but was soft most of the time with the 2x attached. I tried micro adjusting, I tried using AF in Live view, I even tried manual focus in Live View. All this was done on and off the tripod and with IS set to all three settings. Shutter speed was at a thousand, and I was shooting static high contrast subjects. Much too much work with mediocre results at best. I had much better results with a friend's EF 100-400 L II.

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Jan 16, 2017 14:31:43   #
myrocket
 
Thanks for all the replies on the extenders.
Great bird shots..Now does anyone have an opinion on using the 2x 1 11 or 111 on moving targets?
Like I said most of my photos are on surfing and I rarely use a tripod.
I have had good luck with 1.4 111 but its hit or miss so I figure that means its my fault.

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Jan 16, 2017 15:10:35   #
RRS Loc: Not sure
 
myrocket wrote:
Thanks for all the replies on the extenders.
Great bird shots..Now does anyone have an opinion on using the 2x 1 11 or 111 on moving targets?
Like I said most of my photos are on surfing and I rarely use a tripod.
I have had good luck with 1.4 111 but its hit or miss so I figure that means its my fault.


Yes! Most of the birders that I shoot with are using a 1.4 or a 2X TC on everything they shoot. A 2X with a 300mm or a 1.4 on a 600mm prime with a full frame works very well. You have to be careful when doing all of this on a crop body as too much magnification because soon you will feel that you are trying to find your subject while looking through a straw. Birds can and do fly very fast and erratic. I do 99% of my BIF off a tripod with a jobu gimbal head. Do yourself a big favor and try some BIF and you will very quickly see where the problem is and it's good practice for your surfing shots too. Have you micro adjusted your body to your lens? It may not make any difference if you are shooting stopped down. All three of my Canon TC are series III.

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Jan 16, 2017 15:30:45   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
RRS wrote:
Yes! Most of the birders that I shoot with are using a 1.4 or a 2X TC on everything they shoot. A 2X with a 300mm or a 1.4 on a 600mm prime with a full frame works very well. You have to be careful when doing all of this on a crop body as too much magnification because soon you will feel that you are trying to find your subject while looking through a straw. Birds can and do fly very fast and erratic. I do 99% of my BIF off a tripod with a jobu gimbal head. Do yourself a big favor and try some BIF and you will very quickly see where the problem is and it's good practice for your surfing shots too. Have you micro adjusted your body to your lens? It may not make any difference if you are shooting stopped down. All three of my Canon TC are series III.
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For finding a subject without the "looking through a straw" feel try using a Red Dot sight on the hotshoe. You do have to carefully adjust/align the center point with the dot at a picked distance and then learn how much "kentucky windage" to use at other distances. You can afford a lot of shots to practice/learn with digital. But being able to use both eyes to find a subject, or track a moving subject really helps. And I often use this setup with a Nest Gimbal Head on a tripod. When hand holding I use a pistol grip attached to the tripod collar. The tripod and gimbal work best for fast or erratic subjects while the hand held does just as well on stationary or straight line movement.

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Jan 16, 2017 15:43:39   #
Haydon
 
robertjerl wrote:
For finding a subject without the "looking through a straw" feel try using a Red Dot sight on the hotshoe. You do have to carefully adjust/align the center point with the dot at a picked distance and then learn how much "kentucky windage" to use at other distances. You can afford a lot of shots to practice/learn with digital. But being able to use both eyes to find a subject, or track a moving subject really helps. And I often use this setup with a Nest Gimbal Head on a tripod. When hand holding I use a pistol grip attached to the tripod collar. The tripod and gimbal work best for fast or erratic subjects while the hand held does just as well on stationary or straight line movement.
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The red dot sight won't work for me at all. I usually have a flash cord attached to the hotshoe for fill light unfortunately. It is an acquired skill trying to frame a hormonal 5" warbler in your viewfinder. I still suck at it & if I don't practice every migration I'm tested as if I am using the 500 F4 lens for the first time.

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Jan 16, 2017 16:32:13   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
Haydon wrote:
The red dot sight won't work for me at all. I usually have a flash cord attached to the hotshoe for fill light unfortunately. It is an acquired skill trying to frame a hormonal 5" warbler in your viewfinder. I still suck at it & if I don't practice every migration I'm tested as if I am using the 500 F4 lens for the first time.


I ran into that problem with birds in dim light and the need for flash(sometimes with a better beamer) so I looked around and found a hotshoe splitter on ebay. I am now experimenting with that. When I got my two (two bodies) there was only one seller and brand, but now there are several. There is one seller with a Red Dot and adapter combo for sale as a bundle but I prefer a different Red Dot (lots of them on Amazon, same style I use with several brand names, probably from the same factory in China) and a different style adapter. MT Shooter has a good adapter with extra length for eye relief and balance adjustment on his Camera Cottage site. I have one of them and one simple little one I got a couple of years ago.
Here is what that rig looks like. Ignore our son's HO layout, the table was handy for doing pics of the rig.


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Jan 16, 2017 17:47:28   #
Haydon
 
robertjerl wrote:
I ran into that problem with birds in dim light and the need for flash(sometimes with a better beamer) so I looked around and found a hotshoe splitter on ebay. I am now experimenting with that. When I got my two (two bodies) there was only one seller and brand, but now there are several. There is one seller with a Red Dot and adapter combo for sale as a bundle but I prefer a different Red Dot (lots of them on Amazon, same style I use with several brand names, probably from the same factory in China) and a different style adapter. MT Shooter has a good adapter with extra length for eye relief and balance adjustment on his Camera Cottage site. I have one of them and one simple little one I got a couple of years ago.
Here is what that rig looks like. Ignore our son's HO layout, the table was handy for doing pics of the rig.
I ran into that problem with birds in dim light an... (show quote)


Care to share the name of the mount and red dot manufacturer? Thanks in advance.

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Jan 16, 2017 18:35:04   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
markngolf wrote:
Fabulous images!! Hand held - from a boat??? You are the rock of Gibraltar!! I might be able to afford those if I gave up eating and shelter for a year. LOL
Thanks for posting.
Mark



Mark, that would get you closer to nature too. Win-Win!!!

Best,
Todd Ferguson

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