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Jan 11, 2017 18:53:25   #
whitewolfowner
 
Bike guy wrote:
Everything I have read indicates dust as a problem. I am careful where I remove the lens, keeping the camera pointed down. I have a 'blower' brush that use that seems to work well.
That's about all I do.



Keeping it down is not always the answer. Keeping the opening away from the direction of the wind is the secret. In really bad situations, tucking the camera up under your shirt works well too. That cuts way down on the time the opening is exposed to let dirt blow in.

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Jan 11, 2017 18:56:23   #
whitewolfowner
 
tdekany wrote:
Same for m4/3.



Not familiar with m4/3; what brand and model or models is that? I'm still in the learning curve mode here fro mirrorless gear.

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Jan 11, 2017 19:01:20   #
whitewolfowner
 
leftj wrote:
Not saying that Olympus is bad. Probably very good but I doubt that it is the best glass on the market. That's a pretty profound statement.




I didn't say they had the best glass on the market. I said that they have had "some of the finest glass" on the market and they have.

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Jan 11, 2017 19:04:20   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
whitewolfowner wrote:
Not familiar with m4/3; what brand and model or models is that? I'm still in the learning curve mode here fro mirrorless gear.


Olympus and Panasonic use m4/3 sensors. 2x.

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Jan 11, 2017 19:05:59   #
whitewolfowner
 
tdekany wrote:
Olympus and Panasonic use m4/3 sensors. 2x.




Thanks for the clarification. Lingo is fine when you can deceiver it.

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Jan 11, 2017 19:07:11   #
oldtigger Loc: Roanoke Virginia-USA
 
whitewolfowner wrote:
Not familiar with m4/3; what brand and model or models is that? I'm still in the learning curve mode here fro mirrorless gear.


The Micro Four Thirds system (MFT or M4/3) is a standard released by Olympus and Panasonic in 2008

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Jan 11, 2017 19:14:49   #
whitewolfowner
 
oldtigger wrote:
The Micro Four Thirds system (MFT or M4/3) is a standard released by Olympus and Panasonic in 2008




Thanks for the update. News gets here slow. They just announced the outbreak of WWI here the other day. People are in an uproar.

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Jan 11, 2017 19:14:52   #
laf Loc: Nordland
 
Changed to mirrorless a year ago. Nikon D7000 kit sits in closet [can't sell it for what I think it is worth]. After some research I went for OMD EM 10.II. Not expensive, IBIS [a big deal for shaky me], EVF, big chunky dials and SMALL.
Is it for everyone no but works for me. I have 4 primes and 2 zooms. I grab the Oly with 17mm f1.8 every time I leave
home. Oly glass is great and fairly cheap; bought most lenses used on Ebay. Can't tell from new and primes run $2-300

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Jan 11, 2017 19:38:28   #
whitewolfowner
 
laf wrote:
Changed to mirrorless a year ago. Nikon D7000 kit sits in closet [can't sell it for what I think it is worth]. After some research I went for OMD EM 10.II. Not expensive, IBIS [a big deal for shaky me], EVF, big chunky dials and SMALL.
Is it for everyone no but works for me. I have 4 primes and 2 zooms. I grab the Oly with 17mm f1.8 every time I leave
home. Oly glass is great and fairly cheap; bought most lenses used on Ebay. Can't tell from new and primes run $2-300



Used is a great way to go if you know what you are doing. I dare anyone to look in my bag and tell me which piece of gear I bought new and which ones are used and some I have had for over 30 years. Good glass will last a lifetime or more if taken care of.

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Jan 11, 2017 20:54:11   #
BudsOwl Loc: Upstate NY and New England
 
I tried the Nikon 1 V1 (or maybe it was the V2) and was very disappointed. I hated the menu system and just couldn't get comfortable with the camera, so I sold it to a friend of a friend who I understand is quite satisfied. However it is his first foray into a camera with interchangeable lenses. Right now I have plans concerning adding some lenses to my DSLRs. Maybe when I get a little older (I'm only 86) and wiser I will try mirrorless again
Bud

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Jan 11, 2017 21:01:53   #
BudsOwl Loc: Upstate NY and New England
 
JPL wrote:
I have both systems and have no intention of dumping either system. The main reason for me to try mirrorless (Sony A7r) was the fact that you do not need the whole system. All you need is to buy the camera and and $9.99 adapter. If you want more you can of course spend endless money. But with a mirrorless camera and a cheap adapter you can use the lenses from your existing "system" on your new camera. So you can actually have only one system but 2 different types of cameras using the system.

Another reason for me to buy mirrorless camera is that I wanted to be able to photograph with manual focusing like I grew up with in the old days back in 1980. With mirrorless camera that is no problem and even easier than using the old split screen system and a lot faster, easier and more accurate than to use the green dot or live view in dslr cameras.

I also wanted a full frame camera but it was not important if it was that many megapixels. I was originally planing to buy the 24 megapixel A7. The reason I bought the model with the highest megapixels was actually that it was at a black friday deal that would have been stupid to ignore.

Both mirrorless and dslr have their advantages.

Dslr advantages over my mirrorless camera that matters for me.

- Fast autofocus is better for sports and active wildlife or kids photography.
- Battery life is usually 3-4 times better

Mirrorless advantages over Dslr that matters for me.

- More compact, I can get more stuff in my shoulder bag.
- Can use all my old lenses, be it manual or auto focus, no matter what brand.
- A dream to use with manual focusing and you never have to worry if your focus point is exactly on the eye you want to focus on.
- You do not need a whole system to use mirrorless camera, you can adapt your current lenses.

Both systems deliver excellent image quality, depending mostly on the lens you are using each time.
The weight of the mirrorless camera is less than the dslr, but it is really not important. What matters is that the camera is much more compact and if I am using old manual lenses they are also much more compact than modern bulky autofocus lenses so I can easily carry my camera and 5-6 lenses plus flash, memory cards and batteries in a small shoulder bag instead of 2-3 lenses if I am carrying the dslr.

Here I have been explaining my take on this. But if you can not use a camera unless focusing with auto focus this comparison is not valid. I just wanted a good camera to go back to the old manual focus way of photographing because I have never been very happy with autofocus systems and my mirrorless camera is perfect for what I wanted. Also it was important for me to have a full frame camera so I had no choice but Sony there in the mirrorless categorie. If I was doing this again with the experience I now have I would go for the new version of the same camera, the Sony A7rII. Not because of the megapixels, but because it has in camera stabilizing that works with any lens you put on it. But better with some lenses then others.

I hope this helps.
I have both systems and have no intention of dumpi... (show quote)

It is easy enough to use manual focusing in a DSLR, so I don't see that as an advantage for a mirrorless.
Bud

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Jan 11, 2017 21:32:39   #
ljhix Loc: NW Washington State
 
I traded in my Canon 5D Mk III based system for Olympus MFT last year. I have several of the OM 'Pro' lenses and find them every bit as good as my old 'series L' lenses. I just added the M1 Mk II body. Build quality is just as good as Canon, Zukio optics are just as good and if you want to really fly high, there are available Leica lenses for MFT systems.

I find more bang-for-the-buck with the Olympus system and the very many advanced camera body features to be most attractive. At my age (75) I needed to get my 'travel' backpack down from 27# to 15#. (Camera, Lenses, Laptop and all the other necessary items for aircraft 'carry-on'). I especially like the EVF and the ergonomics on the M1. (The M-5 Mk II, not so much). The IS is "to die for" and seems MUCH more effective than I enjoyed with the Canon.

When you consider that I typically print 11x14 or smaller and NEVER print anything larger than 20 x 24, 20 Mpx is just fine. My friend, Dennis, shoots to print up to 30 x 40 and I understand why he stays with his Canon 5D Mk IV.

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Jan 11, 2017 21:34:58   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
whitewolfowner wrote:
Not familiar with m4/3; what brand and model or models is that? I'm still in the learning curve mode here fro mirrorless gear.


M4/3 = m43 = Micro 4/3 = Micro Four Thirds. The sensor format AND lens mount used by Panasonic and Olympus...

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Jan 12, 2017 00:46:32   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
bicyclerepairman wrote:
Why do non-Nikon users feel the need to denigrate the people who use them? And not just Nikon users, any brand that people use. I don't feel the need to make disparaging remarks about Canon, Sony, Fuji users etc.. Does it make you feel superior? I just don't get it. That's one thing about this forum that I really find objectionable.


I shoot Olympus and on my first page reply I stated that Nikon users, including whitewolfowner, are hardly pathetic. I am not about to suggest whitewolfowner sell all her Nikon equipment unless that is what whitewolfowner wants to do. Once bought, most equipment will lose some value if for no other reason other than wear and tear. Am I going tell anyone they need to take a loss on their equipment? Not unless it is their plan to do so. One of my friends just bought a Nikon D500 witha lense for wildlife shooting. He know about my Olympus equipment. But he already had two other older Nikon bodies with lenses, why should he buy Olympus or any other brand? I rejoice in the fact he will now be able to shoot wildlife and capture his kids playing sports.
Cameras are just tools. And like other artist in their own fields of special interest, all have their own favorite tool.

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Jan 12, 2017 02:43:31   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
leftj wrote:
Maybe it's because they don't have the finest glass on the market.


Unfortunately if that were true, SLRGear would have to be falsifying data. DPReview would have to be falsifying data. And Popular Photography, Shutterbug, Outdoor Photography, etc. would have to be falsifying data. What are the chances that all these people and companies have falsified all this data without the consumers finding out? All my pictures seem very good up to 20 X 24. I could go larger but I am having enough trouble finding wall space already. I haven't heard any other Olympus or Panasonic shooters complain (Olympus shoots on all 4/3rds including Panasonic). Maybe the glass is that good (if good enough for Pulitzer Prize winning photojournalist and National Geographic photographer Jay Dickman, Olympus should be good enough for me).

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