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Jan 8, 2017 08:16:38   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
jday3 wrote:
I'm trying to now store all of my original RAW photos and edits on an external hard drive and then clone that drive to another identical external hard drive. The cloning software program I'm using for my PC is called Acronis.

Would it be easier and just as good to just copy any new photos manually to the cloned back up external hard drive rather than using cloning software? My only complaint is that the cloning software stores the photos in a folder, which is in another folder, which is in turn in another folder. Seems a little cumbersome to me.

Also what's the best way to make a copy of your Lightroom catalog to an external HD?
I'm trying to now store all of my original RAW pho... (show quote)


When I want to copy or duplicate a drive, I do it manually. I copy several folders over at a time until the job is done. I use SyncBack SE for backing up seven folders to external drives. The first backup can take hours, but incremental backups done every few days are finished in minutes.

To copy the LR catalog, just drag and drop from one location to another.

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Jan 8, 2017 08:17:58   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Gene51 wrote:
I use Syncback Lite - since it was introduced during the Creataceous Period (computer-wise) and it has never failed me. I think you are correct - there is no archive bit referenced when syncing. Whatever is on the source drive will be sync'd with the destination drive, and if you delete something from the destination, it will also be deleted from the source. The archive bit is only looked at when doing an incremental backup.


It sounds like you use the Mirror setting, same as me. I don't want to backup files that I've deleted from my computer.

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Jan 8, 2017 08:34:16   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
jerryc41 wrote:
It sounds like you use the Mirror setting, same as me. I don't want to backup files that I've deleted from my computer.


Yup - and it works just fine! If I accidentally delete a file or folder, it is still in the Recycle Bin and can be easily retrieved. I have SyncBack scheduled to run in the middle of the night.

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Jan 8, 2017 08:37:59   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Davethompson wrote:
For any Lightroom experienced people I also have a question. Is it possible to place two external hard drives and if so, will they update if one is removed and then reattached in a week or two?


Are you using a backup tool? Are your images primarily on one of your external drives?

If you are using a backup tool, and have set up the backup tool to sync your primary external drive (the one you don't remove, aka source) to the secondary one (jtarget), yes - when you plug it in, the very next time the software runs it will make the source match the target. That works regardless of whether you are using LR or anything else.

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Jan 8, 2017 08:40:50   #
StevenG Loc: Long Island, NY
 
SteveR wrote:
Making a duplicate of one's drive is great if the hard drive only crashes, needs to be replaced, and then restored. However....what happens if your system is, say, if the computer that crashes is running Windows 7 and you replace it with a computer running Windows 10? Personally, I prefer to backup my files from the command prompt (or using control c and control v) and then re-load my software. The advantage I find in doing it this way is that I can access the files on the backup disk as easily as on the computer. If, for some reason, my computer's hard drive were to become totally full, I could actually store ALL of my photos on external disks and access them for use as need from there.....or store only selected, more used photos only, on the computer. I have tried doing a file backup in Acronis, but afterwards have not been able to access the individual files. I also find the Acronis manual to be terribly written. Perhaps it's a good program (and I know it's faster than Western Digital's old transfer program), and maybe computer techs can understand it....but for somebody who is computer literate, and can somewhat think like a computer thinks, but is not a techie, understanding Acronis is difficult. I think an interpreter translated the Japanese manual. Acronis needs an American Techie who understands how to communicate to re-write its manual. Mark....are you available????
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I am definitely not the most computer literate guy. But I don't keep any photos on my computer. All my photos and my LR catalog are on external hard drive "A". Each time I back up Lr to drive "A", I use CCC to copy drive "A" to drive "B". So, I have two copies of Lr catalog and photos. I use Time Machine to back up the files on my computer hard drive to an external hard drive "C". I doubt that this is the "best" or most secure system, but it seems to work. I hope I never have to find out!!

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Jan 8, 2017 09:02:06   #
papakatz45 Loc: South Florida-West Palm Beach
 
markngolf wrote:
Hi Steve,

The newer versions of Acronis are friendlier than former ones. I totally trust Acronis' backups and recovery methods. I've used them frequently and have recovered entire discs and folders when needed. Not sure which version you use. I'm using Acronis True Image 2017. My friends use 2015, also friendly. I'm not suggesting it is the "only way" to backup, it just happens to work well for me. Copying files also works. I just tried copying and pasting a file to two external drives. I was not able to successfully paste to either unless I pasted individually to each. Maybe you see a way?
Mark
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Does Acronis copy the files in a proprietary version like Windows backup or can I take the external drive with the backup, hook it to another computer and read/open the files with File Explorer?

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Jan 8, 2017 09:03:19   #
clemente21
 
To sync drives and add only the new files to the backups I use MOBZync (http://www.mobzystems.com/). It works on two folders though (although in different drives), but I keep all my photos under one main folder and many subfolders.

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Jan 8, 2017 09:05:53   #
BobHartung Loc: Bettendorf, IA
 
jday3 wrote:
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Also what's the best way to make a copy of your Lightroom catalog to an external HD?


In preferences you can set how often LR will ask if you want to make a back up of the catalog when exiting the program.

When you exit, you will be given a chance to select the location of the catalog backup; this can be an external hard drive. This is a sticky selection and will remain until you change it.

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Jan 8, 2017 09:43:48   #
markngolf Loc: Bridgewater, NJ
 
Steve,

I translated the procedure for recovering Files. See attached.
BTW: Acronis is originally a Russian company and has offices in US, Singapore and Russia.
Mark

SteveR wrote:
Making a duplicate of one's drive is great if the hard drive only crashes, needs to be replaced, and then restored. However....what happens if your system is, say, if the computer that crashes is running Windows 7 and you replace it with a computer running Windows 10? Personally, I prefer to backup my files from the command prompt (or using control c and control v) and then re-load my software. The advantage I find in doing it this way is that I can access the files on the backup disk as easily as on the computer. If, for some reason, my computer's hard drive were to become totally full, I could actually store ALL of my photos on external disks and access them for use as need from there.....or store only selected, more used photos only, on the computer. I have tried doing a file backup in Acronis, but afterwards have not been able to access the individual files. I also find the Acronis manual to be terribly written. Perhaps it's a good program (and I know it's faster than Western Digital's old transfer program), and maybe computer techs can understand it....but for somebody who is computer literate, and can somewhat think like a computer thinks, but is not a techie, understanding Acronis is difficult. I think an interpreter translated the Japanese manual. Acronis needs an American Techie who understands how to communicate to re-write its manual. Mark....are you available????
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Jan 8, 2017 09:55:17   #
markngolf Loc: Bridgewater, NJ
 
Yes you can hookup the external to another computer, open the backup file, and browse all files, copy & paste, ... or you can also use the program (Acronis) to recover files, folders or an entire disk. Check the document I attached in my last reply. You may be suffering with an older version. I began using Acronis is 2009. The software has become much more friendlier. I am using 2017 and also have a Cloud Subscription. The Cloud gives me 2017, unlimited cloud storage and free 24/7 support. I have chatted and have received remote assistance dozens of times. The support is terrific!!!
Mark

papakatz45 wrote:
Does Acronis copy the files in a proprietary version like Windows backup or can I take the external drive with the backup, hook it to another computer and read/open the files with File Explorer?

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Jan 8, 2017 10:21:01   #
sagittta Loc: In the woods of Michigan
 
If you do not mind a little DOS (assuming Windows) BAT file.
Xcopy f:... O:... /d/s/e/i/f This where F: is the source drive and O: is the target drive.

It will only copy files that are not on the target drive. If you want to see what the switches do, open and CMD window and type xcopy?

DOS is still good for somethings.

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Jan 8, 2017 10:57:06   #
wmontgomery Loc: Louisiana
 
I prefer to use a hardware solution for storing my photos. I use a CRU ToughTech Duo which is a two drive raid. The computer sees it as a single drive. Data is written to both drives. Every few days I insert a 3rd drive in the 2nd bay (hot swappable). The device automatically mirrors this drive.
At only one time I have two drives that are mirrored and a 3rd drive I can use as backup and store off site.
CRU Data port Duo is sold by B&H or online at cru-inc.com

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Jan 8, 2017 11:01:13   #
Machinedoc Loc: Yorktown Heights, NY
 
I believe Acronis is available only for Windows. I suggest that you look at Microsoft Synctoy - it is free and it will do an incremental backup. However, Microsoft does not offer any support for Synctoy. I have used it for many years without a problem.

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Jan 8, 2017 11:05:18   #
markngolf Loc: Bridgewater, NJ
 
No, it is available for: Windows, Mac, iOS, Android, and Facebook
Mark
Machinedoc wrote:
I believe Acronis is available only for Windows. I suggest that you look at Microsoft Synctoy - it is free and it will do an incremental backup. However, Microsoft does not offer any support for Synctoy. I have used it for many years without a problem.

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Jan 8, 2017 11:40:58   #
markngolf Loc: Bridgewater, NJ
 
After rereading all the replies to the jday3's post, I feel backing up data or even OS drives, is an individual decision. There are so many different ways to secure a backup. To debate the topic makes no sense - analogous to debating which camera is best. Most replies have indicated a personal method/preference and have been most instructive. So yes, jday, if copying makes sense to you, do it! Or adopt another method as outlined in the various posts. Jerry answered your query about backing up LR catalog.
Mark

jday3 wrote:
I'm trying to now store all of my original RAW photos and edits on an external hard drive and then clone that drive to another identical external hard drive. The cloning software program I'm using for my PC is called Acronis.

Would it be easier and just as good to just copy any new photos manually to the cloned back up external hard drive rather than using cloning software? My only complaint is that the cloning software stores the photos in a folder, which is in another folder, which is in turn in another folder. Seems a little cumbersome to me.

Also what's the best way to make a copy of your Lightroom catalog to an external HD?
I'm trying to now store all of my original RAW pho... (show quote)

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