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Dec 17, 2016 23:30:44   #
phyprof
 
All true. But for me it is worth the effort. I have four camera bodies. Two are the Nikon FA and FE. Both small lightweight bodies. Then I have Nikon F90x and N90s which are the same body, just one is the European designation. They are larger, but I can have four different film types loaded at one time.

Something I like to do when I am in town with some time to kill is take one body, one lens, and one roll of 36 exposures (sometimes two rolls) and do a walkabout. The lens I use for this is a fixed focal length (manual focus and aperture) lens. I choose between 24, 35, 50, 85, 135, and 200 mm. You do get to know your lens. It is a hoot. Just don't be in a rush.

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Dec 17, 2016 23:34:07   #
phyprof
 
I attended a landscape photography workshop back in the film days and the workshop leader, a working professional, said "If you get one keeper from a roll of 36 that is great. If you get two keepers from one roll of 36 you are lying".

True also in the digital age I believe.

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Dec 18, 2016 00:54:37   #
btbg
 
My first car was a 1953 GMC pickup that was so rusted out that you could see through the floorboards. It had been painted with a paint brush. Total cost $250. My first camera was an old Kodak box camera. $8.

What do they both have in common today? They are both considered collectors items, but neither is worth enough to be a classic.

Why would I want to go back to the stone age? Digital is faster, more flexible, example changing ISO on consecutive shots. Film when it went from bright sunlight to dark, you either had to waste part of a roll or not shoot.

Digital is easier to process, and I can shoot for color and black and white at the same time.

My lenses are bigger now, but that's because I have a 70-200 2;8 and a 150-600. Before I had a 300 f4. My choice to have the bigger lenses. And as others have said, I don't see as well as I once did and autofocus sure makes some shots easier.

Do I like film? Yes. Did I like working in the darkroom? Yes. Can post processing on a computer sometimes be tedious? Yes, but no more smell of chemicals. No more working in a hot pitch black room, instead I can post process and watch sports on TV, or whatever else I want to do.

No way I would go back.

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Dec 18, 2016 01:27:57   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
phyprof wrote:
Isn't it a good feeling to take a few (or many?) rolls of film and go out and enjoy the moment? No chimping, no instant gratification (or instant disappointment).

While I enjoy my D700, and it has its place in my kit, there is something about film that digital can never replace, at least for me.


That's how I feel.

And yes, I KNOW I can "just turn off the LCD" and it's the same...but it's not.

No amount of tweaking a slider in Photoshop can replace the darkroom experience...all that goes into making the shot, developing the film to get the best negative and then performing the piece from that score. (printing the image from the negative.)

Not for me, anyway.

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Dec 18, 2016 01:52:15   #
phyprof
 
There is a monthly magazine that I get from old Bligty, "Black+White Photography. There are folks using techniques from the beginning of photography. And guess what? There is a market for these images, many are one of a kind. There is a look to these images that cannot be reproduced on the computer, such as the platinum prints of Sebastiao Salgado, or the polaroids of Serge Picard.

There is a place for both digital and analog. It need not be a one or the other. Both can work alongside of each other. The both have their strengths and weaknesses.

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Dec 18, 2016 06:48:25   #
DRG777 Loc: Metro Detroit
 
I shot with a Konica film camera for decades. I would never go back. I don't want the expense. I do want to see immediately if I like the last shot and exposure. I still slow down the process by shooting (mostly landscapes) on a tripod. I also much like digital editing to make the shots better. No more film for me.

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Dec 18, 2016 08:54:21   #
phyprof
 
Ooh rah!

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Dec 18, 2016 15:28:22   #
Bugfan Loc: Toronto, Canada
 
Yes, those were the days. When I first started with photography in 1970 I had a hard case on my shoulder that contained a camera, three lenses, some spare film and a cable release. All together it weighted less than five pounds. Today five pounds routinely hangs around my neck and I still have more to carry in addition to that. The simplicity of the cameras was nice too. I quickly learned to use my left hand for aperture, zoom and focus, my right hand held the camera and worked the shutter. Today there is an overwhelming array of buttons on the cameras I have and if that's not enough there are endless pages of menu too.

When I went digital I had to learn a new language. I discovered as well that things I spent years learning how to do in the camera could now be done with the click of a mouse. I discovered the capital costs of photography leapt upwards but the operating costs dropped quickly. For operating I do need software, Photoshop mostly, I do need a computer and I need lots of disk space. In the film days there was no software, just a light box to sort the slides and then a box to store them in. The difference is dramatic, today I take a lot more pictures because I don't have to count exposures and save up to process them. My two week travel budget used to be $350 for film, today it's zero dollars.

Would I go back? I'm not sure. In the film days I did pay a fortune for film and I had to wait a week to get my Kodachrome back from the lab. That was kind of aggravating particularly since by then I no longer remembered what I had done to achive the images I got. That wasn't so nice. Then I had to learn how to work several controls in split seconds to capture an insect before it flew away. But I did learn and as a result got a lot of bug images. And of course I didn't wreck my back carrying twenty pounds or more gear. In fact my standard camera kit weighs forty pounds.

In the digital world I am confronted by a bewildering array of options. ISO used to be the film I selected, not simply a dial or menu page to set. White balance was a filter you screwed on the front of your lens whereas today you can set that accurately in the camera. Focus is instant and ongoing, it was no longer something to worry about. Apertures were still a dial but now in the camera not in the lens. And of course today I get instant results that I can do over if necessary, well ... most of the time at least.

But despite all that amazing change, one thing that kind of gets to me is that when the battery dies all that expensive technology is totally useless, nothing but a pile of junk. In the film days there was a battery too but its purpose was only to work the meter and if that battery failed you could still estimate the exposure or use a selenium light meter and continue taking pictures since the shutter was mechanical too. Today too I come home with a thousand images that I now have to edit for hours. In the past sorting slides was just a lazy afternoon.

Bottom line? I don't know. I think fondly of the past even though it had its costs and challenges. I admit too that I love some of the benefits of today. I think each age has its strengths and weaknesses. If film were cheaper, much cheaper, I'd probably still use my film gear but at the same time I'd continue to use my digital gear too.

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Dec 18, 2016 15:42:23   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
Bugfan wrote:
....But despite all that amazing change, one thing that kind of gets to me is that when the battery dies all that expensive technology is totally useless, nothing but a pile of junk. In the film days there was a battery too but its purpose was only to work the meter and if that battery failed you could still estimate the exposure or use a selenium light meter and continue taking pictures since the shutter was mechanical too...


When introduced in 1976 the Canon AE-1, arguably one of the most successful SLR cameras of all time, was criticized for this very reason. It required a functioning battery to fire the shutter. It came with a spare battery holder on the camera strap, but in sub zero weather that may not have not been sufficient. Fortunately, the batteries were very small and there were plenty of places where one could keep a battery or two secreted about your person to keep it warm and functional without much discomfort!

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Dec 18, 2016 17:22:51   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
phyprof wrote:
All true. But for me it is worth the effort. I have four camera bodies. Two are the Nikon FA and FE. Both small lightweight bodies. Then I have Nikon F90x and N90s which are the same body, just one is the European designation. They are larger, but I can have four different film types loaded at one time.

Something I like to do when I am in town with some time to kill is take one body, one lens, and one roll of 36 exposures (sometimes two rolls) and do a walkabout. The lens I use for this is a fixed focal length (manual focus and aperture) lens. I choose between 24, 35, 50, 85, 135, and 200 mm. You do get to know your lens. It is a hoot. Just don't be in a rush.
All true. But for me it is worth the effort. I hav... (show quote)


What do you do with all of this film that you shoot? Just curious. If you're just scanning it like many people these days, you're wasting time and money. A first generation image out of a camera sensor with the quality we now have will have more and better information than a second generation scan of film. These are reasons why I gave up film completely. I gave away my Nikkormat FT3. I gave away my Nikon FA. I kept my Nikon FTn for sentimental reasons (gift brand new from my father in 1969), but I'll never use it again.

I am stuck with perhaps thousands of rolls of film accumulated over decades of time. The idea of scanning it all is overwhelming, and I need to do it to be able to distribute the same pictures to all of my children. I bought a Canon flatbed, film capable scanner 3 years ago, and it is still in the box. I was born at the wrong time :-)

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Dec 18, 2016 17:52:59   #
phyprof
 
I was fortunate to teach at a college that had a wonderful darkroom I bought my supplies and had access to lots of good equipment. Since retiring I scan my negatives but I have found a photographer that will rent darkroom space. Back in the saddle again. 😄

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Dec 18, 2016 18:32:19   #
Bugfan Loc: Toronto, Canada
 
In my case I've got thousands of slides. To deal with that I have a Nikon 35mm scanner that has a handy accessory, a slide feeding mechanism. I can load up fifty slides and then just go away and do something else while the scanner does its work. That makes it a lot simpler and faster to do an awesome amount of scanning. The scanner operates in 4800 pixels per inch.

When my mother died I had another problem, a few thousand prints and negatives of different sizes. When she and my father were taking pictures they were using medium format films since there was no 35 mm. Those negatives represent about forty years of photography. So the negatives don't fit my 35mm Nikon scanner. So I got the classy Epson flat bed. Not only does that one do photographs, it supports many different negative formats too. Most of my stuff is some strange roll size, then there are 620 negatives and negatives from an instamatic camera and I have 4"x5" negatives too as well as a few glass plates in medium format. Thankfully all these can also be scanned at 4800 pixels per inch the only problem is that they can't be done automatically, I have to load them individually and then scan which is a pain in the butt. Such is the cost of the ever changing technology.

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Dec 18, 2016 20:20:11   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
phyprof wrote:
I was fortunate to teach at a college that had a wonderful darkroom I bought my supplies and had access to lots of good equipment. Since retiring I scan my negatives but I have found a photographer that will rent darkroom space. Back in the saddle again. 😄


I have all of the equipment to be "back in the saddle again" sitting in my garage, Omega D2 enlarger with condensers/lenses for 35mm and 4 x5, the two formats I used back in the day. I have the tanks, trays and other equipment to make it work. I think my son in law will end up using it if he gets a larger place to live with room for a darkroom. I have nothing against darkroom work, but I've personally moved past black and white. Looking back on the many photos I took in college in black and white, they aren't so much an artistic expression as they are something that dates the photos and makes them look dated. (though I've very lucky to have them) This is just my personal feeling. I know that many still enjoy doing darkroom work. Besides, I'm so enthralled with the Nikon D810 that I bought that I feel like a kid at Christmas every day that I take the camera out. This is what keeps my interest going at a high level.

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Dec 18, 2016 20:28:57   #
phyprof
 
It is all about what motivates us to go out and enjoy photography. It has nothing to do with equipment. I am envious of your D 810.

I still use a D 700 but I really like this camera. It was a retirement gift from my wife and daughter.

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Dec 18, 2016 23:24:45   #
speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho
 
camerapapi wrote:
I used film for more than 40 years. I had my share of b&w, color slides and color negative film. You are absolutely right, I never heard of someone replacing the shutter in his or her camera. 36 exposures looked as the roll could last forever precisely because we were very selective with our shooting habits.
Manual mode and focus were the order of the day, especially in the 50's and early 60's. I am quite sure that you know how much improvement AF brought to our photography and how convenient it is. In the 50's and most of the 60's I depended on a hand held exposure meter for the exposure. Yes, it was fun.
Occasionally I load my Nikon F-100 with film and spend the day shooting with it. It is a totally different experience because I am in the dark when it comes to exposure and there are many shots where digital shines because of the histogram and the instant feed back. With film, as you know we have to wait till the film is developed.
Digital has reached all that technology has to offer when it comes to sensors. Perhaps the new generation of sensors will be even better controlling noise but digital greatest advantage is the convenience it offers. No film to buy, no development to use and hundreds of picture in a single media card with the advantage of using different ISO settings depending on lighting conditions.
Because of its convenience many photographers shoot hundreds of pictures in a single day and as to be expected that wears out the mirror and shutter mechanism which are frequently replaced. Young photographers have a tendency to shoot the hell out of everything in front of them and they seldom analize the subject or the light falling on it. They simply shoot.
I do not do not know how film is doing nowadays, it is expensive to buy film and it is expensive to develop it. Many times it is even difficult to find a local place that will do the development.
I bet that perhaps 5% of the photographers out there are still using film and that is a wild guess.
I used film for more than 40 years. I had my share... (show quote)
Shutter replacements were also a common thing (although to a lesser extend) in the good old film days. When I came home from shooting a sports event or something like that, it was not much different than these days, I still came home with about 4 to 500 shots (only those were on film). Well I do admit, they are times these days when I come home with a couple thousand ( I did not do that then)!

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