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Dec 12, 2016 13:17:37   #
mjmagic Loc: Naples / Cape (summer)
 
Yes. Many carry both FX and DX.

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Dec 12, 2016 13:27:20   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
Ah, yes. Those were the days. I think I looked a little like you.

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Dec 12, 2016 13:37:20   #
berchman Loc: South Central PA
 
kb6kgx wrote:
This has been a recurring theme ad nauseam. I understand what happens. Putting a given lens on a DX body does NOT “turn it into” a “longer” lens with “more reach”. It simply fills more of the frame, as you said. The same effect as if you take your photo and crop in on it, making the image appear larger and “closer”. Your 300mm lens will NOT be magically transformed into a “450mm”. It will still be a 300mm lens.


That persistent misunderstanding gets really annoying.

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Dec 12, 2016 13:39:18   #
Larry L56 Loc: NE Ohio
 
bull drink water wrote:
if you check back at least 5 yrs you'll find that both canon and Nikon made some expensive hi-end pro DX cameras. if they were good enough then, then which format is a personal choice.

It is personal for sure. I go back 10 years with DX. I never liked the digital camera designs as far as the bulkly bodies and having to hold down one thing then look at another thing to see a setting, and not being able to see my most of my settings at a quick glance, also not being able to use my lens fstops. I have shot for 30 years with larger formats, and with nice bright viewfinders, so it was harder for me to shrink down to DX. When I finally got my Df, I felt I finality got the camera I always wanted, it bringing back many features I liked.

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Dec 12, 2016 13:39:56   #
Larry L56 Loc: NE Ohio
 
Larry L56 wrote:
It is personal for sure. I go back 10 years with DX. I never liked the digital camera designs as far as the bulkly bodies and having to hold down one thing then look at another thing to see a setting, and not being able to see my most of my settings at a quick glance, also not being able to use my lens fstops. I have shot for 30 years with larger formats, and with nice bright viewfinders, so it was harder for me to shrink down to DX. When I finally got my Df, I felt I finality got the camera I always wanted, it bringing back many features I liked.
It is personal for sure. I go back 10 years with D... (show quote)

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Dec 12, 2016 13:41:06   #
Desert Gecko Loc: desert southwest, USA
 
kb6kgx wrote:
This has been a recurring theme ad nauseam. I understand what happens. Putting a given lens on a DX body does NOT “turn it into” a “longer” lens with “more reach”. It simply fills more of the frame, as you said. The same effect as if you take your photo and crop in on it, making the image appear larger and “closer”. Your 300mm lens will NOT be magically transformed into a “450mm”. It will still be a 300mm lens. Nothing changes. Think of it as letting the camera do the cropping instead of after the fact. Do I have that right?
This has been a recurring theme ad nauseam. I unde... (show quote)


Actually, I prefer to look at it this way: A crop sensor simply captures a smaller portion of the same image rendered by a lens. Then, when you bring up the image in, say, Windows Photo Viewer that sizes it to fill the screen, it gives the impression the image was shot with a longer lens (or added reach), or that the image was cropped.

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Dec 12, 2016 15:58:12   #
joegim Loc: Long Island, NY
 
An informative article on the FX/DX debate:

http://www.dslrbodies.com/newsviews/april-2013-nikon-newsviews/dx-versus-fx-again.html

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Dec 12, 2016 16:45:54   #
Bullfrog Bill Loc: CT
 
speters wrote:
I'll bet there are many!


I have a question on that. Assuming that I have a D810) with plenty of pixels, what is the difference between using a crop sensor and simply cropping to the same field of view?

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Dec 12, 2016 17:18:28   #
jackpi Loc: Southwest Ohio
 
I know of a two-time Pulitzer Prize winner who uses a micro 4/3 camera.

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Dec 12, 2016 17:27:30   #
jackpi Loc: Southwest Ohio
 
dcampbell52 wrote:
MT, both questions are valid, but the photographer could ALWAYS put the FX camera into DX mode. However, it is easier to have both readily available and possibly each already on a tripod. Also remember that while you can put an FX camera into DX mode, the DX camera also has a 2x crop mode that you can go into. The downside of the 2x crop mode is that it is represented (at least on my D7100) as a black outlined rectangle inside the normal viewfinder and you have to remember that you have it on or you get a lot of images that have your subject cut off because you were framing in the main image rather than the rectangle in the middle (yes, I am stating this from experience). Also, it is easy to forget to turn it off to go back to the normal DX mode.

So, having 2 cameras (one of each) has advantages.
MT, both questions are valid, but the photographer... (show quote)

The crop mode of the D810 is around 15Mp; the D500 is 20Mp. The D500 has another benefit over the D810 for sports and wildlife: twice the frame rate (but the D5 would be slightly better better in terms of frame rate).

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Dec 12, 2016 17:37:26   #
jackpi Loc: Southwest Ohio
 
drklrd wrote:
I have been using the DX format for three years now as a professional. I find it feels more like my old 35mm. I used Canon back then and saw digital approaching the mound. I primarily shoot sports and high school events as a freelance for a local studio here in Cincinnati, Ohio. I was one of the last hold outs for digital. I still feel that film even 16 mm has more range in color and B&W than the digital. I chose the DX because of advertising from Nikon and my electronics knowledge as well as my darkroom knowledge. The sensor in both the FX and the DX from Nikon is relatively the same only just different physical sizes. The FX when size is computed becomes 36 mpx and if you do the math. The 24 mpx sensor if made the size of the 36 mpx sensor has the same number of pixels. Some may argue that it's just like comparing 35 mm format to 2 1/4 square format. It is not. Pixels are electronic and film resolution is very tiny grains of dye and silver. There is still quite a spread between the two as far as resolution is concerned.
I took up the 24 mpx due to cost and ease of color management in the computer. I prefer to do art photography and with a good color printer or lab tech you get a nice print. You do have to pay more for the archival prints. I can see the pixels but most of the world cannot see the difference between film and digital. Which is why I got back into photography after retiring from having photographed more than 1500 weddings.
I will probably get some notes telling me that both sensors are really not the same. If you want to tell me that please do with some data to back up your claim. From the way I see it even the Hasselblad at 36 mpx square format has the same sensor and resolution as the DX. What we really need is to take the same square inch of sensor and increase its resolution to a finite number then film and DX will be close to the same.
Note:.. They get the resolution number by multiplying the short side of the sensor by the long side of the sensor in all of the sensors that are currently out there.
I have been using the DX format for three years no... (show quote)

36Mp is higher resolution than 24Mp. But even the 12Mp Sony A7Sii can produce images that look great.

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Dec 12, 2016 17:42:57   #
jackpi Loc: Southwest Ohio
 
Bullfrog Bill wrote:
I have a question on that. Assuming that I have a D810) with plenty of pixels, what is the difference between using a crop sensor and simply cropping to the same field of view?

The cropped D810 yields around 15Mp. The D500 is around 20MP. Other crop Nikons are around 24Mp.

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Dec 12, 2016 18:14:34   #
dynaquest1 Loc: Austin, Texas
 
jackpi wrote:
I know of a two-time Pulitzer Prize winner who uses a micro 4/3 camera.


Exactly. Again proves that most of what goes into a prize-winning photograph is the guy behind the camera.

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Dec 12, 2016 19:25:23   #
kb6kgx Loc: Simi Valley, CA
 
dynaquest1 wrote:
Exactly. Again proves that most of what goes into a prize-winning photograph is the guy behind the camera.


Right, of course. A D810 and a high-end lens in the hands of someone who has no idea what they’re doing likely won’t get a good shot. But someone who DOES… can get a great shot with a simple point-and-shoot.

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Dec 12, 2016 19:48:57   #
Bugfan Loc: Toronto, Canada
 
Yes! Pros use DX formats too. Think hammer ... there are little ones for tacks, larger ones for nails, and ten pound ones if you really want to go to town. Each is a tool for a specific purpose. Cameras are also tools. If you routinely need reach there is nothing like a DX sensor to achieve that. If you need a wide angle view the FX sensor shines. Two tools with different strengths and capabilities. Decide what you want to do, decide what issues you have to solve to do it, and then buy yourself the tools you need to make it happen.

The other thing I'd say is that back in the seventies there was the Polaroid SX-70, an SLR that took sheets that turned into photographs before your eyes. The camera was immensly popular and of course it was like magic, well like digital these days, you could see your results right away. However, the colours were often a bit muddy and it wasn't always as sharp as it should have been. Even so, there were a few professional photographers who used that camera for their work and their images became very popular and sought after.

It's not really the tool that counts, it's your creative sense that makes the difference. The tool merely facilitates the creative process.

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