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Dec 10, 2016 09:14:21   #
par4fore Loc: Bay Shore N.Y.
 
Steve Perry wrote:


I'm with Steve, I have this lens and love it so much.
Here is one I would buy. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nikon-AF-Zoom-NIKKOR-80-200mm-f-2-8D-ED-Lens-/222341219538?hash=item33c491c4d2:g:jTwAAOSwImRYSe~3

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Dec 10, 2016 09:45:30   #
bcrawf
 


When giving a link to something, please offer at least a phrase saying what is disclosed in your link, not just that it is about this or that.

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Dec 10, 2016 09:56:53   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
I have the pre-afs version of this lens & it is still made by Nikon as one of the few AFS lenses still available.. It will work in AF with any of the bodies you own except that the AF will be done by the motor in the body, not the lens. Do you really need the AFS ? I don't for what I shoot. No knowledge abot the lenses you mention other than what I have read & it is the same as what you have. That said, the Newest tech is not always the most cost effective, thus your choice is going to be feature set vs cost. Which is more important to you ?


O2Ra wrote:
My old Nikkor afs 80-200-d f/2.8 died after a portrait shoot . Best shoot ever by the way until the autofocus motor slowly quit working.
I was told by two camera shops they could get my 80-200 fixed and Nikon had new motors for it. So I sent it in to get fixed and a month later was told it can't be fixed Nikon doesn't have the parts. ( maybe it's more than the motor) .
I'm going to replace the lens and I'm really considering the New 70-200 E Fl VR . I really used the 80-200 at f/2.8 almost exclusively. And this lens was one of my mainstay lenses. Probably 40% of my pictures come from this lens over all. And when doing portraits depending on the shoot it was much higher.
I shoot bands/concerts in very low light , events ,action sports and portraits mainly as my paying gigs. I'm just also getting into doing video for bands . I'll be doing live concerts and music videos. Videos that tell a story.
Here are the bodies I have : the d810 , d500 and d7000. And here is the dilemma I'm torn between getting the new Nikkor 70-200 E or (2) Sigma lenses. The new 85mm f/1.4 art and the 50-100mm f1.8 dc art.
I'm throwing this out there to get opinions from the folks who have used the Sigmas. I've experienced autofocus inaccuracies on the Sigma lenses. I've been reading a lot about both of these lenses and heard the 50-100 still has these problems and the new 85 art doesn't.
What does my hogger friends think?
My old Nikkor afs 80-200-d f/2.8 died after a port... (show quote)

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Dec 10, 2016 11:24:58   #
moonhawk Loc: Land of Enchantment
 
I would go with the new Nikon. It is the closest thing to the lens you have which you say you love and use the most. Get the other stuff later.
Plus you know the focus will always work with any new body you get.

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Dec 10, 2016 11:51:05   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
This review by Thom Hogan should convince you. It's hot off the presses, so to speak. December 6th. Now I wish I hadn't bought the VRII about a year ago.

http://www.dslrbodies.com/lenses/nikon-lens-reviews/nikkor-zoom-lens-reviews/nikon-70-200mm-f28e-fl-ed.html

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Dec 10, 2016 12:00:56   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Steve Perry wrote:


This was their fatal flaw - AF motor failure. I wouldn't touch a used one. Well, I might if it was in spectacular condition and cost $300 - which is not at all likely.

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Dec 10, 2016 12:04:34   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
You would have thought Nikon would have made the AF an either/or option on this lens. Either in lens and in body availability of AF

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Dec 10, 2016 12:28:02   #
agillot
 
you can always hand focus .

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Dec 10, 2016 12:31:08   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
Yeah and it's fine for some aspects of photography ( like portraiture or landscapes) but not for fast action situations as it lowers your capture rate.


agillot wrote:
you can always hand focus .

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Dec 10, 2016 13:23:08   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
O2Ra wrote:
Don't want to put out another $1000 for another unrepairable lens. I almost did this then changed my mind.


.........You might also want to consider the older Sigma 50-150 2.8 - but like the 50-100, it is also a DX lens. - OR, since you are on full frame, the Nikon 135 f2 DC.

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Dec 10, 2016 13:29:46   #
Larry L56 Loc: NE Ohio
 
O2Ra wrote:
My old Nikkor afs 80-200-d f/2.8 died after a portrait shoot . Best shoot ever by the way until the autofocus motor slowly quit working.
I was told by two camera shops they could get my 80-200 fixed and Nikon had new motors for it. So I sent it in to get fixed and a month later was told it can't be fixed Nikon doesn't have the parts. ( maybe it's more than the motor) .
I'm going to replace the lens and I'm really considering the New 70-200 E Fl VR . I really used the 80-200 at f/2.8 almost exclusively. And this lens was one of my mainstay lenses. Probably 40% of my pictures come from this lens over all. And when doing portraits depending on the shoot it was much higher.
I shoot bands/concerts in very low light , events ,action sports and portraits mainly as my paying gigs. I'm just also getting into doing video for bands . I'll be doing live concerts and music videos. Videos that tell a story.
Here are the bodies I have : the d810 , d500 and d7000. And here is the dilemma I'm torn between getting the new Nikkor 70-200 E or (2) Sigma lenses. The new 85mm f/1.4 art and the 50-100mm f1.8 dc art.
I'm throwing this out there to get opinions from the folks who have used the Sigmas. I've experienced autofocus inaccuracies on the Sigma lenses. I've been reading a lot about both of these lenses and heard the 50-100 still has these problems and the new 85 art doesn't.
What does my hogger friends think?
My old Nikkor afs 80-200-d f/2.8 died after a port... (show quote)


The 80-200 "new" f2.8 nikon has no internal motor, I have one, it only has a mechanical screw drive, did you check your body's motor with another D series lens?

For doing bands I like using faster primes like 1.4 50, 1.8 85, they give you an extra stop or 2. I 'll shoot a bunch of wide angle then a bunch of normal then the tele, the end result in the batch of photos is about the same as zooming in and out in most cases, allowing less noise.

My 80-200 is slipping in manual focus mode, which a rarely use.

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Dec 10, 2016 13:35:57   #
romanticf16 Loc: Commerce Twp, MI
 
The only Nikon lens you want to avoid is the 70-200 f2.8 VRII model- when you zoom to 200mm at f2.8 you get a 140mm image size! That is why the new E version has replaced this lens.

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Dec 10, 2016 13:42:10   #
Larry L56 Loc: NE Ohio
 
romanticf16 wrote:
The only Nikon lens you want to avoid is the 70-200 f2.8 VRII model- when you zoom to 200mm at f2.8 you get a 140mm image size! That is why the new E version has replaced this lens.


From the tests I have seen with the 70-200's and also with my 80-200, the image quality drops off fast after 135mm when wide open so I either stop down to f4 or stay at 135.
Cannon does not have this problem.

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Dec 10, 2016 13:51:46   #
Larry L56 Loc: NE Ohio
 
Screamin Scott wrote:
I have the pre-afs version of this lens & it is still made by Nikon as one of the few AFS lenses still available.. It will work in AF with any of the bodies you own except that the AF will be done by the motor in the body, not the lens. Do you really need the AFS ? I don't for what I shoot. No knowledge abot the lenses you mention other than what I have read & it is the same as what you have. That said, the Newest tech is not always the most cost effective, thus your choice is going to be feature set vs cost. Which is more important to you ?
I have the pre-afs version of this lens & it i... (show quote)


Marketing has put so many "now needs" out there. I am with you, in fact I have about all Dseries lenses with the handy fstop ring I use with my Df, and feel I have little need for anything more high tech.

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Dec 10, 2016 14:09:17   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
romanticf16 wrote:
The only Nikon lens you want to avoid is the 70-200 f2.8 VRII model- when you zoom to 200mm at f2.8 you get a 140mm image size! That is why the new E version has replaced this lens.


I just read a review by Thom Hogan in which he discussed the focus breathing problem of the VRII compared to the new E model. He indicated that the focus breathing problem depended upon how closely you focused. I posted the link to that review previously in this thread. Apparently Thom didn't have any problems shooting sports with the old VRII model, which is good, because that's the one I have.

BTW....That's not the only reason this lens replaced the VRII. The E aperture, for one thing. He finds sharpness to be better. In fact, he finds the new model to be sharper than many prime lenses at their focal lengths. I would suggest that you read his review, but having read it, I found it to be a highly positive review.

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