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Jun 5, 2012 21:10:46   #
1eyedjack
 
Great color in your capture. Composition is OK but not very
interesting if not for the color.. You are doing good work,
keep it up.

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Jun 6, 2012 04:29:18   #
Tylerd Loc: Scotland
 
Thanks RonMos, I will.

1eyedjack, that's my feeling about the composition too, I suppose its just a case of trying things out and seeing what works. Thanks for your comments

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Jun 6, 2012 06:53:44   #
Blake Loc: Alfred NY
 
Tylerd wrote:
Hello, this is only my 2nd time posting a photograph, I've decided that one of the best ways to learn is to take a deep breath , post and then take on board any comments received. So any advice on how I could have improved the composition of this shot will be gratefully appreciated . (I accept that so far as image quality is concerned its not the best, I was driving past the beach when I saw this horse and rider on the shoreline . It was getting towards sunset, I just grabbed my camera and ran down the beach to try to get some shots before the rider moved away. Unfortunately I couldn't get too close and I only had my 18-55mm kit lens - lens was @ 55m and I used shutter speed of 1/350 to try to capture the movement of the horse- so I've had to crop . I also increased the colour temperature and saturation in Windows Live Photo Gallery)
Hello, this is only my 2nd time posting a photogra... (show quote)


I like both images. They both lead your eyes to see the entire image. Very nice work. Please post more of it

Blake

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Jun 6, 2012 06:56:26   #
angler Loc: StHelens England
 
Agree with everone else.Keep posting.

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Jun 6, 2012 07:02:51   #
3Stripes Loc: Rocester, UK
 
Tylerd wrote:
rpavich wrote:
The horse picture composition is VERY pleasing to me.

I took a screen shot with a Fibonacci grid overlaid and you can see why it's so pleasing...the horse and rider are on a grid line, the mud line is on a grid line and the mountains is also...it's really well done.


Thanks for taking the time to do this rpavich. I'm aware of the the rule of thirds and the need to avoid the horizon splitting the shot in half and to avoid centering the subject of the shot but I can find myself tied in knots sometimes trying to apply these -if I get one I can't get the other and so on. The Fibonacci grid sounds like a really useful idea though. This is the 1st time I've heard of it
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If you're using Photoshop you can download something from http://sourceforge.net/projects/goldencrop/

Still trying to find a PSE9 version

Chris

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Jun 6, 2012 07:10:55   #
MIKE GALLAGHER Loc: New Zealand
 
They're both really nice shots. I don't judge by the application of arithmetic to a piece of art - I decide whether it pleases my eye. These do and they also give the impression that you've presented them exactly as you'd like them to be seen which means that they please you too. As they should. Almost surprizing that you should ask for criticism actually, because they seem to exude confidence and your pleasure in presenting them. They're a pleasure to look at as I'm sure your next ones will be too.
If you've had to do a lot of cropping I'd say your next improvement will be to compose the picture in the viewfinder so that very little will need to be done later. You'll be really pleased when you find yourself doing that.
Well done!
Mike

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Jun 6, 2012 07:32:37   #
Tylerd Loc: Scotland
 
Thanks Blake and Angler. Chris, I don't have Photoshop,I've been using Windows Live Photo Gallery to crop, brighten etc, along with my in -camera HDR for the Abbey.
Mike, thanks for your kind comments . At present I really don't have confidence in my ability to judge my owm photographs and its really helpful to hear whether others feel that I'm on the right track or can point me in a better direction.
I completely take on board what you say about composing before shooting. Both of these were taken with my 18-55mm lens @55mm but I'm hoping to get a longer lens soon -I rented the Pentax 50-135 a couple of weeks ago for 3 days and found it to be very good so am just waiting for a good, used copy to come up for sale in oe of the Pentax forums. I'm looking forward to that

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Jun 6, 2012 07:38:00   #
angler Loc: StHelens England
 
Tylerd wrote:
Thanks Blake and Angler. Chris, I don't have Photoshop,I've been using Windows Live Photo Gallery to crop, brighten etc, along with my in -camera HDR for the Abbey.
Mike, thanks for your kind comments . At present I really don't have confidence in my ability to judge my owm photographs and its really helpful to hear whether others feel that I'm on the right track or can point me in a better direction.

Tylerd,there is a free progamme you can use for most of your editing,it's called Faststone,just google it and when all the options come pick the Faststone image viewer and download it.Hope this helps.

:thumbup:

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Jun 6, 2012 07:39:06   #
Skutterbug Loc: Central Florida
 
Love the silouette...composition right on :D :D :D

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Jun 6, 2012 07:41:36   #
Manfrottoman Loc: South West Scotland
 
Great Shot, horizon is straight, nice use of rule of thirds, rider and horse make a good silhouette and most important with this type of image you have gave them space to walk into
well done

PS where is Scotland are you I'm in Dumfries and Galloway

Duncan

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Jun 6, 2012 07:42:26   #
CORNISH Loc: CORNWALL, UK
 
Both shots very different subjects and both shots very good, well done!

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Jun 6, 2012 08:24:13   #
krf4 Loc: Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio
 
Great shots. The first shot is somewhat serene and soothing to view. The Abbey shot is very interesting as you have three arches with one in the other (similar to something Norman Rockwell would do). The light on one side of the frame showing the warmth of the setting sun and the shadows on the left revealing the darker tones and textures. Seems like you hit on all cylinders on these shots.

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Jun 6, 2012 09:38:25   #
bkyser Loc: Fly over country in Indiana
 
MIKE GALLAGHER wrote:
They're both really nice shots. I don't judge by the application of arithmetic to a piece of art - I decide whether it pleases my eye. These do and they also give the impression that you've presented them exactly as you'd like them to be seen which means that they please you too. As they should. Almost surprizing that you should ask for criticism actually, because they seem to exude confidence and your pleasure in presenting them. They're a pleasure to look at as I'm sure your next ones will be too.
If you've had to do a lot of cropping I'd say your next improvement will be to compose the picture in the viewfinder so that very little will need to be done later. You'll be really pleased when you find yourself doing that.
Well done!
Mike
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Great comment. I sometimes feel alone here when I try to explain that the "rule" of thirds is more a suggestion. It is good for some things, but not everything, the end result should be what is pleasing to look at. I think sometimes, people rely too heavily on the "rule" and forget about using balanced composition, or just plain using your "artistic eye"

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Jun 6, 2012 10:14:06   #
docrob Loc: Durango, Colorado
 
Tylerd wrote:
Actually, there is another one I would really appreciate feedback on, again in relation to the composition .This is the 1st time I've tried to photograph anything other than flowers, boats, sunsets or the dog . I've just finished the online Understanding Exposure course by Bryan Peterson and one thing it has taught me is to actively look for opportunities . I was going to B & Q one evening last week when I saw a sign to Kilwinning Abbey. I've lived within 10 miles for the last 20 years and didn't even know it had an Abbey but I decided to take a look -which I don't think I would have done before. When I got there the sun was going down and the sandstone of the ruined Abbey was warm and mellow in the late evening light .I was desperate to capture that but found it difficult to know how to frame a good shot. This one,which was taken using my camera's HDR setting , was one of the better ones , although again it had to be cropped. I'm really not sure about it and would welcome comments , even if its along the lines of its not very interesting!
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compositionally (mho) you have strong competing lines / shapes. So when I look at it my eye first goes to the large shape on the left but THEN my eye runs right over to the arch - follows it and goes right out of the photo. So for me the image fights itself

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Jun 6, 2012 10:16:26   #
docrob Loc: Durango, Colorado
 
rpavich wrote:
The horse picture composition is VERY pleasing to me.

I took a screen shot with a Fibonacci grid overlaid and you can see why it's so pleasing...the horse and rider are on a grid line, the mud line is on a grid line and the mountains is also...it's really well done.


god forbid one was to shoot outside the lines

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