PNagy Loc: Missouri City, Texas

Yes, please educate me bout executive orders. Could you please list how many each president has issued per four years since Reagan?

ken hubert Loc: Missouri

After your earthquake! May it happen soon!

travelwp Loc: New Jersey

You missed the point PNagy.

The particular thread was written by green who wrote:
“you don't understand our government very well...congress gets to determine how much and on what we spend our money on, not the president.”

I replied:
That's the way it's supposed to work, but you haven't been paying attention to executive orders:

Obama spent almost $31 billion. The over $30 billion price tag was not allocated through Congress, but through administrative maneuvering.


The subject was about "congress getting to determine spending, rather than the president.
I'm sure you agree that I gave the correct response.

mdfenton

We can't roll back history, so maybe we all should stop arguing about it and consider what is happening NOW!

http://conservativevideos.com/kt-mcfarland-trump-right-said-one-worst-deals-history-video/

hondo812 Loc: Massachusetts

Like Obamacare? Democrats voted for that crap and to add insult to injury, they farmed it out to a Canadian outfit with ties to Michele Obama. Why wasn't a US company working on a US government portal? Especially in a down economy?

green Loc: 22.1749611,-159.646704,20

I don't understand... do you want government to handle healthcare or private companies?

...and what exactly was Obama's involvement here?

travelwp Loc: New Jersey

Prior to Obamacare, 85% of Americans were satisfied with their private companies. In typical fashion, instead of fixing the remaining 15%, government screwed around with 100% of Americans. With Obamacare, those who liked their doctor didn't necessarily keep their doctor and everyone who thought they would save $2500 didn't. On top of that, Obama knew those two things were a lie before he made those promises.

PNagy Loc: Missouri City, Texas

You had to make that up, or take it off a survey rigged by the right. How could Americans be satisfied with what they had?

* double digit annual increases in the cost of healthcare.

* the highest costs in the world, next closest country being less than half as expensive.

* 45,000 people dying annually of treatable conditions because they could not afford care. That number is zero in all advanced nations.

* 59th global rank in longevity.

* insurance companies and HMOs having the right to refuse coverage to anyone on the basis of a "preexisting condition." That could be high blood pressure, which is very common among people over 50.

* provider license to refuse to cover certain illnesses or conditions, usually the ones that are likely to be expensive to treat.

* provider license to drop coverage after a certain amount has been paid, always below what it takes to cover a catastrophic condition.

* Bush era Medicare Schedule D, which has a provision for government-protected monopoly for Big Pharma to assure that its prices rise even higher than before.

Is this the system you say was so popular with Americans?

PNagy Loc: Missouri City, Texas

You righties are dishonest, as usual. You were waiting for a spike in health care to use as proof that Obamacare is a failure. Your propaganda has two serious flaws:

1. you have not made the slightest attempt to demonstrate that the rise in costs is due to Obamacare. Obamacare does not stipulate any rise in costs, and does have one provision to keep decelerate their rise. It caps the markup over costs that HMOs and insurance companies may charge.

2. you have not bothered to average anything.

Quick investigation did not show data for 2015 and 2016, but did turn up data for all eight of Bush's years and the first six of Obama's. They show that under Obama there was a significant decrease in the annual rate of increase, from 7.3% to 4.0%.

Total National Health Expenditures, 2001 - 2014
Peterson-Kaiser Health System Tracker

2001 $1,486.7 billion +9.0%
2002 $1,629.3 billion +9.5%
2003 $1,768.2 billion +8.5%
2004 $1,896.5 billion +7.4%
2005 $2,024.2 billion +6.7%
2006 $2,157.0 billion +6.6%
2007 $2,296.2 billion +6.5%
2008 $2,402.8 billion +4.6%
2009 $2,496.4 billion +3.9%
2010 $2,595.7 billion +4.0%
2011 $2,696.6 billion +3.9%
2012 $2,799.0 billion +3.8%
2013 $2,879.9 billion +2.9%
2014 $3,031.3 billion +5.3%

7.3% average annual increase 8 years of Bush II administration
4.0% average annual increase 6 years of Obama administration

Shutterbox60 Loc: Calif. USA

PNagy,

Don't expect to many responses, due using facts to back your comments.

PNagy Loc: Missouri City, Texas

Never know. Some are good at pretending that the evidence does not really show what it does. When huge discrepancies appeared between exit polls and official results in 2004, all of them favoring Republicans, some of their big guns said things like, "I have no idea why people lie on exit polls." According to them, it was the official results that lied, not the exit polls. The exit polls, considered flawless until then, were used to roll back election fraud in Ukraine and elsewhere. When they showed similar discrepancies here, they suddenly became useless.

Another of their tricks is to complain about Obama's huge addition to the national debt. I compiled data on that, too, showing by what percent each president since Reagan increased it. There it was plain as day, but they still pretended Republicans were a better bet to take care of the federal budget.

Their responses to this were classic:

Standard & Poor's 500 Index

+13% Carter
+50% Reagan
+30% Bush I
+150% Clinton
-45% Bush II
+ 100% Obama

+87.7% average Democratic presidency
+11.7% average Republican presidency

Something called HEART wrote: "Stupidity breeds ignorance, Nagy. Trumps anticipated tax cuts across the board: http://www.donaldjtrump.com/policies/tax-plan/ If you don't get your tax break, whine a little louder. Your chorus of progressive idiots will be quickly silenced."

It is unclear how it thought this refuted the evidence I presented about Standard & Poor's 500 Index, especially enough to insult my intelligence. Also it is unclear how he thinks an across-the-board tax cut will benefit him when he may have a $60 savings, but a millionaire will receive at least $100,000, and a billionaire will take millions. They have been doing it since 1981, and the jobs are not being created. The federal government is just out billions of dollars, so state and local taxes or user fees go up, or both. All that is a bit to complicated for these geniuses to understand.

hondo812 Loc: Massachusetts

Do you recall the difficulties with the rollout of the website portal? It was a Canadian company that "won" the contract. It was a "coincidence" that one of the players at the Candian company was an old friend of Michele Obama. Your question relative to gov't vs private companies is not germane to my previous post.

hondo812 Loc: Massachusetts

Executive orders are but one instrument. You're a smart guy you should know this. Executive orders are number, catalogued, and listed in the Library of Congress. You can find a rundown on the total quantity of EO's for most of the presidents dating back to Washington. Executive Memoranda are not catalogued the same way but.....

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2014/12/16/obama-presidential-memoranda-executive-orders/20191805/

.............. President Obama has issued a form of executive action known as the presidential memorandum more often than any other president in history — using it to take unilateral action even as he has signed fewer executive orders.............

hondo812 Loc: Massachusetts

I found what looks like your source for the initial statistics here --> http://www.thebalance.com/us-debt-by-president-by-dollar-and-percent-3306296

Your "statistic" on Republicans vs democrats is extremely flawed as the samples sizes are not the same for one. They also did not serve the same length of time. I'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt here but this is a complete and utter fabrication on your part if not an outright lie.

The article heading states and I quote: U.S. Debt by President: By Dollar and Percent Why the Winner Is...Barack Obama

Clearly your expertise is "fiction" PNagy. Stop making shit up. Oh wait, you're a Liberal and can't help yourself.

Oh and if we toss in FDR, he all by himself jacked the federal debt to the tune of 1048%.

PNagy Loc: Missouri City, Texas

I knew this would be the answer: Obama's executive orders are more intrusive, or unconstitutional. Those of the Republicans are mild by comparison, even if they far exceed his in number. Your right wing looniness is as predictable as clockwork.