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Nov 22, 2016 10:59:26   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
RRS wrote:
Please don't feel that way about your shots! Keep shooting and look at the shots of others that you like and try to duplicate how the shot was made. Look at where the light is coming from. When I started too many years ago I always looked at and into the eyes of portraits to see where the lights were placed and what type of lights. For info on bird photos go to "Flickr" and look at the settings that were used to obtain the shot. If you don't have that super duper long lens that is carried on a trailer behind the car out to all the exotic places with the colorful birds don't worry. You can get great shots right in you backyards or in a city park where birds don't mind people and in fact they like people even more that feed them. Study your own shots and if you feel that something is not how you thought it would be see what you need to change to get there. One thing you have to understand, Gene's birth was very hard on his mother, he was born with a 4x5 Speed Graphic with a flash attached held tightly in his hands. Get out as often as you can and over time you may be surprised at how you improve. Have fun at what you do.
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Excuse me, it was an Anniversary Speed Graphic, not just any old speed graphic, complete with the potato masher flashgun, thank you very much!



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Nov 22, 2016 13:12:09   #
Elliern Loc: Myrtle Beach, SC
 
Gene51 wrote:
Thanks, Ellie!

You may not be satisfied with some of the shots you've taken, but you have some control over what happens next.

Part of it has to do with the gear. There is a relationship between quality of gear and quality of result. The price paid for gear is not always a clear indicator of quality however.

Today you can get a good clean used D800 or D800E for around $1400, and a good clean used Sigma Sport 150-600 for $1200 and start taking some truly stunning images, with a decent tripod and head, or even a monopod right away. If you work out regularly at a gym, you can even hand hold it. The combination weighs around 8 lbs.

The next component is networking - find others who do what you want to do, and try and hang with them. Photo clubs are a really great place to start. There is always a bird/wildlife photographer in the mix, and because they are members in a photo club, they are likely to be happy to share. In NYC there is a group of birders that send out tweets (how appropriate), identifying unusual or migratory birds that happen to visit several parks in the city - Riverside, Central Park, Bryant Park, Tompkins Sq, Trinity Churchyard, etc. There is a large enough network that I get as many as 20 tweets a day during the height of the migration.

Next is time investment. You need to be patient. You can get lucky and find 40 eagles before you get out of your car. But more often you will need to wait, sometimes for hours, before a single one shows up.

Observation - understanding the habits and behaviors of your subjects, which way they will be facing when landing, hunting, taking off, etc, and the time of day they do these things - will help you be at the right place at the right time.

I am looking forward to seeing some great shots from you pretty soon!

Here are a few recent shots taken with a D800 and the Sigma Sport, hand held. You can come pretty close even with a D610, though you won't be able to crop as much to get the same sense of intimacy. Small birds are definitely the hardest to shoot - they change positions quickly, and their heads are constantly in motion. But perseverance does pay off eventually.
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Thank you, Gene. I agree with all you have said. Unfortunately, because of a serious muscle disease, I can no longer hold that heavy gear. (No amount of exercise will help)
Another issue is cost of some of the gear. I do buy refurbished when I can.

Therefore, I have to practice and follow all your other advice and suggestions using what I currently have: a Nikon d5500 with Nikkor 55-300 lens. I will continue to keep trying to improve. But gosh....your shots have set the bar really high! But will be fun to try to reach it.

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Nov 22, 2016 13:20:05   #
Elliern Loc: Myrtle Beach, SC
 
RRS wrote:
Please don't feel that way about your shots! Keep shooting and look at the shots of others that you like and try to duplicate how the shot was made. Look at where the light is coming from. When I started too many years ago I always looked at and into the eyes of portraits to see where the lights were placed and what type of lights. For info on bird photos go to "Flickr" and look at the settings that were used to obtain the shot. If you don't have that super duper long lens that is carried on a trailer behind the car out to all the exotic places with the colorful birds don't worry. You can get great shots right in you backyards or in a city park where birds don't mind people and in fact they like people even more that feed them. Study your own shots and if you feel that something is not how you thought it would be see what you need to change to get there. One thing you have to understand, Gene's birth was very hard on his mother, he was born with a 4x5 Speed Graphic with a flash attached held tightly in his hands. Get out as often as you can and over time you may be surprised at how you improve. Have fun at what you do.
Please don't feel that way about your shots! Keep ... (show quote)


Thank you RRS. I will follow your advice and check out the settings of those images I especially admire. I will take notes. I am very fortunate in having several places to shoot a wide variety of birds. I also try to get out and shoot a few times a week as often as I can. It is a hobby I totally enjoy. I hope to improve...but boy Gene has set the bar high. That is one that I want reach though.

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Nov 22, 2016 14:32:03   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Elliern wrote:
Thank you, Gene. I agree with all you have said. Unfortunately, because of a serious muscle disease, I can no longer hold that heavy gear. (No amount of exercise will help)
Another issue is cost of some of the gear. I do buy refurbished when I can.

Therefore, I have to practice and follow all your other advice and suggestions using what I currently have: a Nikon d5500 with Nikkor 55-300 lens. I will continue to keep trying to improve. But gosh....your shots have set the bar really high! But will be fun to try to reach it.
Thank you, Gene. I agree with all you have said. ... (show quote)


Sorry to hear of your condition. That's a tough break. So it seems you will need to be using a tripod, which most of my shots were taken with.

The D5500 is a great camera. You can see some of the shots I took were with a D200 and a D300, which are 10mp and 12 mp cropped cameras. I did use
Sigma's 50-500mm lens, as well as their 100-300 F4. The 100-300 is quite sharp, and the 50-500 not quite as sharp. But recent models of the 50-500 do have stabilization if you shoot hand held. Either lens can be found, used, for around $500 for the 100-300 or $750 or so for the 50-500. I like the 50-500 better than the 150-500, btw.

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Nov 22, 2016 18:38:13   #
korat Loc: Eastern Shore Virginia
 
[quote=Gene51]Thank you Heather and RRS. For those two images I used a tripod mounted 600mm F4 and a D800.

Stunning shots!

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Nov 22, 2016 19:48:52   #
RRS Loc: Not sure
 
Gene51 wrote:
Excuse me, it was an Anniversary Speed Graphic, not just any old speed graphic, complete with the potato masher flashgun, thank you very much!


My mistake, was that the gold plated one and do you still have it? Gene, have a great Thanksgiving and keep your camera dry!

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Nov 22, 2016 20:16:44   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
RRS wrote:
My mistake, was that the gold plated one and do you still have it? Gene, have a great Thanksgiving and keep your camera dry!


Nah, it was gray. But it did have the "night vision" rangefinder option that let me focus in the dark - the rangefinder took several AA batteries and projected a focusing beam from each ocular(?) and when the beams coincided, the camera was focused. It was surprisingly accurate. Got rid of all of my medium and large format stuff years ago - but I still have my Besseler 5x7 enlarger, with it's motorized lift and motorized focus. I can't bear to part with it.

You have a great Thanksgiving as well!

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Nov 23, 2016 07:08:25   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
[quote=korat]
Gene51 wrote:
Thank you Heather and RRS. For those two images I used a tripod mounted 600mm F4 and a D800.

Stunning shots!


Thanks!

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Nov 23, 2016 07:21:45   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Bill_de wrote:
Sharpness requires a good lens and good technique. Long lenses need fast shutter speeds and preferably on a tripod. If you can't get close enough, you need to crop. A high pixel count sensor helps when cropping is necessary. But, in my opinion every bird picture doesn't need to be a close-up.


Bill, I couldn't agree more on getting a good lens and using good technique. If using a really long lens, having a solid platform is essential. All too often someone will buy a 600mm lens and a 1.4X or 2X TC to use on a cropped camera, using their $150 tripod and wonder why their images are so blurry. The clear answer is to get a better tripod and head.

The last set of images I posted - the Junco, Song Sparrow and Blackpoll Warbler were taken with the 150-600, hand held. The stabilization on that lens is quite good but my ISO was pretty high.

Here is one last image of the warbler, taken with the Sigma Sport, D800 at 1/400, F7.1, ISO 2000 the lens was zoomed out to 600.

It's funny that you mention that bird pics don't always have to be closeups. I have a friend who is a photographer in England, and is an international judge for their high end competitions. He was visiting here several weeks ago an made the observation that he could always tell the US bird photographers from the British ones - because the birds from the US almost always filled the frame.


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Nov 23, 2016 09:37:22   #
wapiti Loc: round rock, texas
 
Excellent equipment, technique, post processing, research, and experience. One more thing. Access to a good location. Oops, forgot one more important thing, LUCKY!



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Nov 23, 2016 13:45:22   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
wapiti wrote:
Excellent equipment, technique, post processing, research, and experience. One more thing. Access to a good location. Oops, forgot one more important thing, LUCKY!


wonderful image - luck was on your side.

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Nov 24, 2016 09:09:46   #
wotsmith Loc: Nashville TN
 
Thanks for the comments. Good photos is a lot more than pushing the button. Right place at the right time is a lot of luck. That said, you improve you luck by traveling to places with known bird populations. Excellent glass is necessary, and maybe most importantly, knowledge of your gear so that you can make adjustments quickly and get the shot off. As to the comment about hand holding a big lens; I am 76 years old, not in great shape, but active. My right hand holds the camera body and I brace my left elbow on my chest while my left hand supports the lens. That way my arm does not have to lift all the weight, some is transferred to my chest. I did upgrade to the Canon version 2 of that lens from version 1 because it is a better lens and much lighter than the old one. The other thing is that you can let the camera/lens dangle on the strap and just lift for a shot, so it is not so tough.
Bill

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Nov 24, 2016 10:47:52   #
RRS Loc: Not sure
 
wotsmith wrote:
Thanks for the comments. Good photos is a lot more than pushing the button. Right place at the right time is a lot of luck. That said, you improve you luck by traveling to places with known bird populations. Excellent glass is necessary, and maybe most importantly, knowledge of your gear so that you can make adjustments quickly and get the shot off. As to the comment about hand holding a big lens; I am 76 years old, not in great shape, but active. My right hand holds the camera body and I brace my left elbow on my chest while my left hand supports the lens. That way my arm does not have to lift all the weight, some is transferred to my chest. I did upgrade to the Canon version 2 of that lens from version 1 because it is a better lens and much lighter than the old one. The other thing is that you can let the camera/lens dangle on the strap and just lift for a shot, so it is not so tough.
Bill
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Great shots Bill ! Looks like you also do well at PP because I'm sure these aren't SOOC. Do you ever go to Yellowstone, there are birds there but also a whole lot more. I'm not as old as you but I don't even try with the 600 f/4.0 II unless it's on a tripod. I could hold it but not for long and I have shot with it out of the car window resting on a bean bag. The 300 f/2.8 is another story, I wish I could take off the tripod mounting ring. As you said the 7DMKII is great and we are looking at the 1DXII. I know that I could buy 3 7DMKII's and a 1.4 or 2x with the same money but we are very happy with what we have. Happy Thanksgiving!

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Nov 24, 2016 11:49:21   #
wotsmith Loc: Nashville TN
 
I love Yellowstone, and we were heading there last summer, but I rolled my ATV in colorado and busted up my shoulder and ribs. So when we could travel, we headed for home. I am pretty much back to normal. As to hand holding, I don't do that to be "macho" cause I am not. I learned to hand hold a big lens by going to Bosque del Apache, and I simply can not hit birds in flight using a tripod. So it became handhold or no photos. So I learned to shoot and rest. It is not as hard as you think it is. If you have not been to Bosque del Apache, you need to go. I would recommend a workshop with a buddy of mine, Doug Brown (dougbrownphotography.com) and you will learn to hand hold and get more fab photos of BIF that you even dreamed about. I have been twice and am planning on about the first of Dec. in 2018 if all goes well.
Thanks,
Bill

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Nov 24, 2016 12:57:32   #
RRS Loc: Not sure
 
wotsmith wrote:
I love Yellowstone, and we were heading there last summer, but I rolled my ATV in colorado and busted up my shoulder and ribs. So when we could travel, we headed for home. I am pretty much back to normal. As to hand holding, I don't do that to be "macho" cause I am not. I learned to hand hold a big lens by going to Bosque del Apache, and I simply can not hit birds in flight using a tripod. So it became handhold or no photos. So I learned to shoot and rest. It is not as hard as you think it is. If you have not been to Bosque del Apache, you need to go. I would recommend a workshop with a buddy of mine, Doug Brown (dougbrownphotography.com) and you will learn to hand hold and get more fab photos of BIF that you even dreamed about. I have been twice and am planning on about the first of Dec. in 2018 if all goes well.
Thanks,
Bill
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Glad your doing well! I'll have to to give Bosque del Apache a look and I will look up Doug Brown. I do use a Jobu gimbal head for my BIF off a RRS CF tripod. As to the 1DXII, I'm still looking hard at the 1DX for $4,599.00 new from B&H. We will keep Dec 2018 open, that's a long way off. Thanks for the info.

Ron

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