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Nov 14, 2016 15:57:30 #
steve_stoneblossom wrote:
So an atheist cannot love his neighbor?
Of course!
All of the time...they do good things alot just as Christians do bad things.
The issue isn't whether they can act morally, but whether the Atheist worldview can account for such behavior. Atheists live in a state constant contradiction to their professed worldview.
I've said it before on this forum; I'm a Christian because I have no other choice; unless I start with the God of Christianity in all of my thinking, reasoning, and being, then I cannot make sense of anything. The Christian worldview must be true due to the impossibility of the contrary.
PS:
As you were replying, I edited my comment with two quotes from Atheists who recognize that it cannot:
It is pretty hard to defend absolutist morals on ground other than religious ones
(Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion).
Atheist Christopher Hitchens observed: Hume said, “You can’t get an ‘ought’ from an ‘is.’” I think that is true
(Hitchens and Wilson Debate, WMTS).
Nov 14, 2016 16:11:45 #
By the way..we should take this sidebar discussion to some other thread or venue... we are derailing the original thread.
Nov 14, 2016 17:25:55 #
steve_stoneblossom
Loc: Rhode Island, USA
rpavich wrote:
Of course! br br All of the time...they do good t... (show quote)
Not interested in a sidebar. Respectfully agree to disagree.
Nov 14, 2016 18:32:44 #
rpavich wrote:
...if folks guided their lives by the command of Jesus Christ (that we love our neighbors as we love ourselves and love God above all else)...then the world would be a much better place
Amen brother. But the liberals have rejected Jesus and gone to worship Satan, whether they are aware of it or not. There is no in between and they have no concept of that.
Nov 14, 2016 19:08:19 #
steve_stoneblossom
Loc: Rhode Island, USA
whitewolfowner wrote:
Amen brother. But the liberals have rejected Jesus and gone to worship Satan, whether they are aware of it or not. There is no in between and they have no concept of that.
Amen brother. But the liberals have rejected Jesus and gone to worship Satan, whether they are aware of it or not. There is no in between and they have no concept of that.
Now there's freedom.
Nov 14, 2016 19:18:54 #
steve_stoneblossom wrote:
Not interested in a sidebar. Respectfully agree to disagree.
I think your problem is that you haven't learned who Christ is and what he represents. You cannot get it from an organized church; you have to red the Bible on your own, cover to cover. Then if you reject Christ, you have a reason for doing it and you will be one more person that we all have to pray for. I'm not trying push Christ on you; you have free will and I respect it, but one should have solid ground for doing so. When so many have accepted freely Christ into their lives and become better people for it,it tells you that there really is something there.
Nov 14, 2016 19:36:12 #
steve_stoneblossom
Loc: Rhode Island, USA
whitewolfowner wrote:
I think your problem is that you haven't learned w... (show quote)
Read it. Several versions. Very enlightening.
Thank you for your prayers.
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Nov 14, 2016 19:37:46 #
steve_stoneblossom wrote:
Read it. Several versions. Very enlightening.
Thank you for your prayers.
Thank you for your prayers.
Well said!
Andy
Nov 14, 2016 19:56:33 #
steve_stoneblossom wrote:
Read it. Several versions. Very enlightening.
Thank you for your prayers.
Thank you for your prayers.
You're very welcome.
Nov 14, 2016 21:10:55 #
steve_stoneblossom wrote:
So an atheist cannot love his neighbor?
When he does, he is conforming with a philosophy of Jesus whether he knows it or not.
If that atheist (and all others) conformed with all of the Nazarenes philosophies there would be no war.
We would not even need police forces.
What is your problem with that self evident truth?
Nov 14, 2016 22:18:25 #
steve_stoneblossom wrote:
Agreed, we should have freedom of religion. Not religion based freedom, e.g. life at conception abortion laws and anti-Muslim immigration laws. Give me freedom of religion, but keep it out of politics! Freedom OF religion needs to include the rights of those who desire freedom FROM religion.
There is no right of 'Freedom from Religion'. Ah! I just thought of a right from freedom from religion: you have a right to leave or walk away from the offense you believe that is antagonizing you. But that's the only right!
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Nov 14, 2016 22:21:58 #
steve_stoneblossom wrote:
Hardly religious freedom.
He said if you would ADOPT, not that you were required. Someone has a right to ask you to do something, but it is not required to do as they say.; then it is a freedom of your choice.
Nov 14, 2016 22:56:43 #
I follow the same good principles, but I'm not following some 2000 year old myth that has been distorted to serve the needs of its followers.
If you think I'm talking about the myth of Jesus, you're right. If you think I'm talking about Satan, you're also right.
I remember someone saying something about worshipping false gods about 5700 or so years ago...
If you think I'm talking about the myth of Jesus, you're right. If you think I'm talking about Satan, you're also right.
I remember someone saying something about worshipping false gods about 5700 or so years ago...
Nov 14, 2016 23:11:22 #
[quote=Abo
What is your problem with that self evident truth?[/quote]
I was trying very hard to not reply. So the person you replied to has the problem? Just because they have a different view? According to Google, there are (roughly) 4200 different religions. So, 4,199 people believe in the wrong God?
Science would beg to differ... We evolved from pond scum. We share 93% of our DNA with cows. We are unearthing fossils everyday. Most religions have more detail about the great flood, than the Bible describes. It's a story that keeps getting passed down. When do the fairy tales end and the truth begin?
Andy
What is your problem with that self evident truth?[/quote]
I was trying very hard to not reply. So the person you replied to has the problem? Just because they have a different view? According to Google, there are (roughly) 4200 different religions. So, 4,199 people believe in the wrong God?
Science would beg to differ... We evolved from pond scum. We share 93% of our DNA with cows. We are unearthing fossils everyday. Most religions have more detail about the great flood, than the Bible describes. It's a story that keeps getting passed down. When do the fairy tales end and the truth begin?
Andy
Nov 14, 2016 23:56:51 #
AndyCE wrote:
I was trying very hard to not reply. So the perso... (show quote)
Andy, I don't know what your problem is either.
Science does not differ one iota with: If more adopted the philosophies
of Jesus Christ the world would be a better place. That is what I wrote, and that
is what the person I replied to has a problem with.
If you think Jesus Christ is a fairy tale, go argue with the PhD historians about it.
Anyway, if I said it took 7 days to create the universe you would have a point. However I did not, so you are... pointless.
And just for the record bud, our evolution began before there were ponds to have scum.... and if you want to
argue about that, take it up with the likes of Stephen Hawking.
You should have tried harder to "not reply".
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