woodpret Loc: VT

Hi guys , I'm a newbie here and a real amateur . I have an old Canon EOS 650 and was wondering if the new SLR digitals would accept the lens of this old camera. thanks, Woodpret

ken_stern Loc: Yorba Linda, Ca

YES -- Well not the s lens but all others

woodpret Loc: VT

S lens ?

EoS_User Loc: Oshawa, Ontario Canada

S - lens, a newer and slightly different mount from the EF lenses.
EF lenses fit on all EOS camera bodies from the EOS 650 to todays newest DSLRs.
EF-S lenses fit only on "Crop" sensor cameras.
If you research DSLRs you will find reference to "Full Frame" vs "Crop" sensors.

Leicaflex Loc: Cymru

Welcome to the HOG.
EF lenses Yes.
S lenses No.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

Every EF lens made from the beginning to the present will not only fit but every feature of AF, IS metering and any other operation in the lens will function exactly as designed as if it were on the latest EOS 5D MIV.
They have a APSC series for APSC cameras and the M series sub sets of lenses that will not mount but they do not cover the 35mm format of your camera as they are different format lenses. The EF lenses cover that range of focal lengths and more though so you miss out on nothing. The nice thing is ALL your EF lenses will mount and work perfectly on all the APSC cameras and will mount with a simple adapter to all M cameras and work as designed as well with complete AF,
I also have a 650 and use my New EOS lenses on it just fine.
So do not worry if it is EF then it will work just fine with every feature of AF, IS metering and any other operation.

CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City

Welcome woodpret!

What these guys are vaguely saying is EF-S by 's' lens. The Canon lenses you use on your EOS 650 35mm film SLR have an 'EF' mount. The EF mount was developed for Canon's EOS system, released in 1987. The EF lenses are identified by a red dot that aligns with the red dot on the camera body for mounting to the camera. They transmit a circle of light onto a sensor sized to mimic a single frame of 35mm film (aka full frame). The initial digital sensors in DSLRs were less than a full sized frame of film. Both Canon and Nikon developed cameras and lenses based on the "cropped" sensor format, sensors that are only 40% or 50% respectively to 35mm full frame. A physically smaller sensor allows for development of lenses that project a physically smaller image as 50% to 60% of the full frame image is "lost" where the image does not fall onto the physical dimensions of the cropped sensor. Canon's Rebel line is based on their cropped sensors. As EOS cameras, the Rebel line can use all Canon EF lenses as well as an EF-S lens. Canon's DSLRs with 3-digit (###D) and 2-digit (##D) numbers use the cropped sensor. The EF-S lenses are identified by a white box next to that red dot. They cannot physically mount to a full frame EOS body without modification to the lens. The EF-S lenses extend further into the camera body and if mounted to an EF body, the EF-S lens will interfere with the up / down movement of the camera's mirror, damaging the camera or lens or both.

So, if you're interested in a DSLR, your old EF lenses will work on any candidate EOS DSLR body, regardless of sensor size. But, the new EF-S lenses won't work on your older film body. Canon's EF lenses from 1987 through today will work on both your film camera and any EOS digital SLR body.

Welcome.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

Just one thing, the EF lenses were developed for the 35 mm film and not mimic. The 650 is a film camera.
Good warning on EFs though as to possible damage on FF cameras.

BebuLamar

Please don't confuse the OP. Since the OP has the 650 and it only accepts EF lenses so all of the lenses the OP has can be used on a new Canon DSLR.

blackest Loc: Ireland

Ok I read that as you have EOS lenses with the Eos650 and you want to know if Canon EOS Digital Camera's can use these lenses.

If they are canon lenses they are designed for 35mm film so are big enough to work with all Canon Dslrs. I think that they should work with most if not all Canon Dslr's.

if they are 3rd party lenses then you may run into problems, depending on the lens and the body combination. These will require some researching.

The problem is down to the lens protocol (the language the lens and the body use to talk to each other) When the body and the lens meet they have a conversation during which they talk about things like focal length aperture... Now this protocol has evolved over the years so there is a few variations. Now canon have been pretty good at recognizing their own lenses and have routines built into their firmware to handle older canon eos lenses.

However with third party lenses there is a problem, rather than pay canon for the right to use the EOS protocol they reverse engineered it and got their lenses working with the film bodies. Canon wasn't happy they didn't want 3rd parties eating into their profits by selling competing lenses and there was a court battle which i think canon lost. However they were not forced to keep their protocol the same in later generations of camera bodies and they changed it.

I am kind of lucky that my old 1D mark II is compatible with most of these third party lenses, However more recent bodies are not. So we ended up in a situation where relatively new at the time third party lenses wouldn't work on the newer bodies. I think Sigma reverse engineered the newer protocol and would take in their older lenses and upgrade the firmware on them to make them compatible again but they stopped doing this years ago. unfortunately some lenses never got the upgrade so it's a maybe. I think Tamron had less of a problem.

There is a little more, as well as third party manufacturers hacking the EOS protocol some canon users did as well programing a pic to send the right signals from the third party lens. If you search around online you should find a group that was doing this, they may still be active.

Sigma i think make a usb dock for their current lenses which allows the firmware to be upgraded, and if canon change the protocol again they can update it. Every so often people buy an old EOS third party lens from Ebay and find it doesn't work on their digital body, a clued in Ebay seller will probably warn it is only compatible with film bodies, (and some older EOS D bodies maybe).

So if the lens is canon it will probably work fine with other canon bodies unless it is an EF-S lens these have a squared off rear end and canon full frame bodies have a tapered entrance to the body. so a full frame canon lens will fit a crop frame body. But an EF-S lens will not physically fit a full frame body which is good really since the image circle of a crop sensor lens will not cover the whole of the full frame sensor causing dark corners.

Nikon has a dx mode which crops out the pixels from the edges of the sensor as does Pentax so you can use a crop sensor lens on those full frame bodies.

As for modern canon lenses on a film EOS body the EF-S lenses do not physically fit and I haven't a clue if any of the EF lenses will work or not.

LFingar Loc: Claverack, NY

If your lenses are EF (red alignment dot) they will work perfectly with every APS-C (crop sensor) and full frame Canon body made from 1987 to the present. If your lenses are EF-S (white alignment dot) they will work with only APS-C bodies, such as your EOS 650. If you buy a new Canon APS-C camera, (such as an 80D or T6i) all of your lenses will work fine. If you buy a new Canon full frame (any of the 1D, 5D, or 6D series) only your EF (red dot) lenses will work.

blackest Loc: Ireland

Erm APS-C EOS 650 its a 35mm film camera. Did you post before your first coffee :) not like you

LFingar Loc: Claverack, NY

You're right! I was thinking of the alternate designation for the Rebel models sold outside the US. Anyway, the OP's camera uses EF mount lenses, but not EF-S lenses, so, his lenses will work just fine on the newer Canons.
Thanks for the correction!
I think I'll go get another cup of coffee!

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

A little bit of history on EOS starting with the 650. First EOS camera. I have this and it is definitely a 35mm camera.
http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/20-Years-of-Canon-EOS.aspx

amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA

Yes, Canon EF lenses that were used on the 650 will work fine on any of the newer DSLRs.

However, third party lenses that date from the same years as the EOS 650 may or may not work properly (even though they use an EF bayonet mount and will probably physically fit onto the new camera). There can be problems with older Sigma, Tamron or Tokina lenses on newer cameras. For example, I have an old Sigma 28-75mm lens that works fine on Canon EOS film cameras and on digitals up through the 10D.... but cannot focus on 30D and later DSLRs. It causes the camera to freeze up and give and error code. (Removing the lens and turning the camera off, then back on clears the error, so the camera isn't harmed in any way.) This because third party lens manufacturers reverse-engineer their lenses to work with then-current and earlier cameras, rather than licensing the technology from Canon. They do that to be able to keep their prices cheaper. But, if Canon changes something in a later camera, that older third party lens might no longer work properly. Sometimes the third party lens manufacturer offers a fix.... but often they don't.

Canon has no obligation to insure their cameras are backward compatible with other manufacturers' lenses. They do make certain their new cameras work properly with Canon EF and EF-S lenses!

There were no Canon EF-S lenses at all, back in the film days when you were using that EOS 650... So I'm guessing you don't have any of those (yet).

EF-S lenses were first introduced in 2003 or 2004 and are designed specifically for use on Canon APS-C sensor size DSLRs. Except the earliest of those (10D, D60 and D30) EF-S lenses are also fully usable on all modern Canon APS-C models (not usable on and can't even be fitted to "full frame" or APS-H models such as EOS 6D, 5D-series or any of the 1D/1Dx-series).

If you buy a modern Rebel or 80D or 7DII with a "kit" lens, that new lens will almost surely be an EF-S lens that would not be usable on the old 650. But that's not what you asked about.

While your old EF lenses will work, you still might want to look at newer ones eventually there have been some significant improvements over the years in a number of ways. Image stabilization, higher performance auto focus, improved lens coatings, better durability, sealing for dust and moisture resistance and much more have been incorporated into newer lenses.... as well as improved optical designs for higher image quality, especially with somewhat different demands of digital sensors (versus film).