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Oct 26, 2016 10:22:24   #
wj cody Loc: springfield illinois
 
NoSocks wrote:
Of course it is. But who cares? The car doesn't care, the car salesman doesn't care, the owner doesn't care. He simply admires the car and can afford it, so he makes it his own and will likely never drive it 160 miles per hour. The only people who care are the folks who can't afford one but wish they could and they're pissed off that someone else can.


i can afford and have and do own what is considered to be a "high performance" vehicle. however, it does not sit in my living room where i can "admire" it. it is a daily driver and also i drive it on tracks, when time and location permit. i did not purchase it as an exercise in ego, but as an automobile built to my capabilities. my skill as the operator allows me to fully appreciate the engineering and the limits of the car within the laws of physics. the automobile has been the object of admiration and compliments. my response to those people is a "thank you" and i follow up by telling them it is just a car to get you where you are going. on the street, highway or track, that is all that it is, and nothing more. oh yes, it is also relatively quiet.

as an aside, my late spouse, Erica, was also a driver and raced her Datsun 510 in rallys. she would have approved what i now drive. there are some great performance automobiles, well balanced between brake horsepower and pound feet of torque, that are affordable to most folks. two i can easliy recommend are the volkswagon gti and the mazda 3 series, in sedan or hatchback. great performance sedans, both of them. and their cost is affordable to most people. they are a lot of fun to drive in rallys and also on the track, if your skills are equal to the task.

so no one has to feel left out.

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Oct 26, 2016 10:28:46   #
NoSocks Loc: quonochontaug, rhode island
 
wj cody wrote:
i can afford and have and do own what is considered to be a "high performance" vehicle. however, it does not sit in my living room where i can "admire" it. it is a daily driver and also i drive it on tracks, when time and location permit. i did not purchase it as an exercise in ego, but as an automobile built to my capabilities. my skill as the operator allows me to fully appreciate the engineering and the limits of the car within the laws of physics. the automobile has been the object of admiration and compliments. my response to those people is a "thank you" and i follow up by telling them it is just a car to get you where you are going. on the street, highway or track, that is all that it is, and nothing more. oh yes, it is also relatively quiet.

as an aside, my late spouse, Erica, was also a driver and raced her Datsun 510 in rallys. she would have approved what i now drive. there are some great performance automobiles, well balanced between brake horsepower and pound feet of torque, that are affordable to most folks. two i can easliy recommend are the volkswagon gti and the mazda 3 series, in sedan or hatchback. great performance sedans, both of them. and their cost is affordable to most people. they are a lot of fun to drive in rallys and also on the track, if your skills are equal to the task.

so no one has to feel left out.
i can afford and have and do own what is considere... (show quote)


Very true and you're helping me make my point. Whether to race the car or sit with a martini and admire it is up to the owner and no one should say, "what a waste" to either owner.

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Oct 26, 2016 10:31:52   #
DoyleY Loc: Worland, Wyoming
 
Thanks.

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Oct 26, 2016 10:35:26   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
wj cody wrote:
you can buy any automobile you wish, but until you have mastered the craft of driving, it is a waste of the performance aspects of the car.


But you can't master driving a 4 second drag car by running a Prius an 1/8th mile. I would say you cannot master a DSLR shooting by shooting an Instamatic. The technology is also part of what be mastered, not just composition, lighting, etc. Many great Masters have mastered these in painting or sculpture but have no idea how to use a DSLR if handed one.

Best,
Todd Ferguson
Harrisburg, NC

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Oct 26, 2016 10:52:24   #
wj cody Loc: springfield illinois
 
Notorious T.O.D. wrote:
But you can't master driving a 4 second drag car by running a Prius an 1/8th mile. I would say you cannot master a DSLR shooting by shooting an Instamatic. The technology is also part of what be mastered, not just composition, lighting, etc. Many great Masters have mastered these in painting or sculpture but have no idea how to use a DSLR if handed one.

Best,
Todd Ferguson
Harrisburg, NC


i think, as far as automobiles are concerned, you are comparing apples to oranges. using an instamatic and a dslr is very much the same thing. neither will perform capably without knowledge of light and available dark, composition and skill in processing and printing the resulting image. professional photographers, whether film or digital imaging devices, know what to use and more importantly, what not to use with the equipment they have, and how to use it in the specific situation.

with regard to drag racing, knowing when to shift and steering straight ahead is about all there is. anyone can go fast on the bonneville salt flats, but that is not about driving, it is simply a matter of absolute speed within a given distance. and anyone can go fast, all that needs is maximum use of the throttle.

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Oct 26, 2016 10:53:47   #
wj cody Loc: springfield illinois
 
NoSocks wrote:
Very true and you're helping me make my point. Whether to race the car or sit with a martini and admire it is up to the owner and no one should say, "what a waste" to either owner.


it is wasted if not used for its purpose. and the purpose of any automobile is to be driven.

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Oct 26, 2016 11:05:06   #
geraldneal
 
Concentrate on your art, the technowlogy will fall into place.

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Oct 26, 2016 11:06:34   #
wj cody Loc: springfield illinois
 
geraldneal wrote:
Concentrate on your art, the technowlogy will fall into place.


precisely

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Oct 26, 2016 11:15:50   #
delkeener Loc: SW Rhode Island, USA
 
Dorothea Lange used a Graflex Super D, often the choice of pro sports photographers.
Peterff wrote:
Yes, agreed. However Ansel had access to some of the best equipment of his day. Not sure about Dorothea.

Good equipment does not make a good photographer, but it can enable them to be better.

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Oct 26, 2016 11:44:00   #
Regis Loc: Coeur d' Alene, Idaho
 
LXK0930 wrote:
Many years ago (way before digital), I took a photography course with a well-known pro. One assignment was to shoot NYC scenes. Students showed up with various cameras, ranging from budget 35mm's to Leicas, Contarexes, Alpa's, etc.

You guesed it! When we examined the results, the instructor's photos blew ours away. His choice of subjects, composition, darkroom technique (remember darkrooms?), and presentation were incredible. His equipment? A $10 disposable Kodak camera.

Moral: Learn to use the equipment you have, including it's limitations. Upgrade when you need to, but don't forget who really makes the photo.
Many years ago (way before digital), I took a phot... (show quote)


True. But, when one has the professional knowledge of 50 years of photography and then uses a professional camera and lens, you will have more
successful photos to show for your efforts.

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Oct 26, 2016 11:50:11   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
LXK0930 wrote:
Many years ago (way before digital), I took a photography course with a well-known pro. One assignment was to shoot NYC scenes. Students showed up with various cameras, ranging from budget 35mm's to Leicas, Contarexes, Alpa's, etc.

You guesed it! When we examined the results, the instructor's photos blew ours away. His choice of subjects, composition, darkroom technique (remember darkrooms?), and presentation were incredible. His equipment? A $10 disposable Kodak camera.

Moral: Learn to use the equipment you have, including it's limitations. Upgrade when you need to, but don't forget who really makes the photo.
Many years ago (way before digital), I took a phot... (show quote)


Great cameras don't make great photographs... Great PHOTOGRAPHERS make great photographs! Better gear just makes it easier, faster, simpler, and improves the technical quality. But they can't control the light and the moment and the composition and choice of subject matter...

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Oct 26, 2016 11:50:37   #
NoSocks Loc: quonochontaug, rhode island
 
wj cody wrote:
it is wasted if not used for its purpose. and the purpose of any automobile is to be driven.


what you're saying then, is that all the concours competitors who show their classic automobiles (and watch them appreciate in value) are wasting their time and their cars because they're not being "driven". I respectfully disagree.

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Oct 26, 2016 11:54:17   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
NoSocks wrote:
Very true and you're helping me make my point. Whether to race the car or sit with a martini and admire it is up to the owner and no one should say, "what a waste" to either owner.


Try to tell a Leica collector he's wasting his cameras... He'll laugh! He gets pleasure from observing them in the glass case in his bragging room. His camera collection is to photography as porn is to sex.

In both cases, there is a 12-step program for that...

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Oct 26, 2016 11:57:55   #
mcveed Loc: Kelowna, British Columbia (between trips)
 
Modern, technologically advanced, cameras can make certain photographs possible which were previously impossible (shutter speed fast enough to stop a hummingbird's wings). They can also make pictures easier and faster to capture. But they can't make them better. That is up to the button pusher.

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Oct 26, 2016 11:58:33   #
wmurnahan Loc: Bloomington IN
 
I agree to a point. I see both sides. If your end result is to just capture an image but if your goal is to print a 16 x 20 to hang on your wall, I would want the same photographers pictures done with top equipment because I don't think an Instamatic image would hold up in most cases but then again an artist can work with the grain, focus, exposure limitation etc and make a shot that one would want to hang on the wall.

For me the difference is in are you photographer, capturing an image/scene where God/nature is the artist and you are just capturing the moment and the feeling in that moment. An artist sees the picture or idea in his head and then uses a medium to bring it to life. I'm a photographer, a craftsman and so want the best tools when I work my craft.

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