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Oct 25, 2016 23:14:40   #
dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma
 
http://www.salon.com/2016/10/25/texas-oil-so-dated-solar-and-wind-energy-are-taking-over-the-longhorn-state/

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Oct 26, 2016 04:35:28   #
Leicaflex Loc: Cymru
 
Short sighted energy policy.

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Oct 26, 2016 05:51:07   #
Plieku69 Loc: The Gopher State, south end
 
here in Iowa we are second to Texas in wind power production. And more turbines being added. They are costly to build, costly to maintain and have a maybe 20 year life span. And even more costly to replace.

Did I mention that the wind does not blow hard enough to operate them at max capacity. 30+ mph wind needed 24/7 for max capacity. And they look ugly against the skyline.
And we have eco terrorists sabotaging the Dakota Access Pipeline construction.

BEtter get off my rant horse and go do something else.

Ken

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Oct 26, 2016 06:29:31   #
exakta56 Loc: Orford,New Hampshire
 
On another subject, I thought that Texas was the Lone Star state??

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Oct 26, 2016 06:56:15   #
johnst1001a Loc: West Chester, Ohio
 
So, growing up in eastern New Jersey, driving up and down the Turnpike, the refineries go on for miles, both sides of the roads. Beautiful, really makes the landscape look wonderful. There are oil tanks all over the place, many with big splotches of rust, again, beautiful. And now those beautiful sites are shut down, have been for years, at least some of them, and the structures are even more beautiful now as they are literally falling down.

Recently there was flooding in North Carolina, and with the high rivers and fast run off, we now have another beautiful site of 1 million tons of coal ash in the river. Before that, in July, the Dan river, also in NC, had another coal ash spill. In Tennessee, there was a coal ash spill from a dyke collapse, which dumped 525 million gallons of wet coal ash into the river. A similar spill in Kentucky spilled 300 million gallons into the river. Oh, yes, all of these contain mercury, arsenic, lead, and other metals, all toxic, but not in coal ash, coal ash is not considered a toxic waste.

And go look up the Powder River coal mine, 200 square miles of surface mines, or the 2500 mountain tops taken off in West Virginia to get at the coal, again, all improving the landscape.

I know you don't like it in your back yard, and understand your complaining. But to say it is better to have coal and oil, or NG is just a trade off.

Lastly, you mentioned the life of a wind turbine. You are correct that they will need maintenance and ultimate replacement. But so do the components of plant equipment and mining equipment for coal, oil, gas, and nuclear. These operations spend at least 5% per year in maintenance costs, mining equipment even higher. Trains and railroad tracks used for hauling coal also need repair and replacement. And of course you have heard about oil cars on trains falling over, catching fire, etc. Also google oil pipeline spills.

Wind, solar, hydro, and other renewables will increase, will become more and more cost effective and efficient over time. We in the US will likely never see a large percent renewables, but it can be done. Just google the number of countries that are already over 50% renewable. We even have states in the US that are over 50%, and will be exporters of electricity as a result bringing revenue into the state. You may not like it, but it will continue to increase.

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Oct 26, 2016 07:01:51   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
johnst1001a wrote:


And go look up the Powder River coal mine, 200 square miles of surface mines, or the 2500 mountain tops taken off in West Virginia to get at the coal, again, all improving the landscape.


And as a West Virginia resident, I can say that we LOVE to see it! It means folks working, jobs to feed families, and WV heritage and pride.

Bring those coal jobs back!

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Oct 26, 2016 07:12:25   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
johnst1001a wrote:
So, growing up in eastern New Jersey, driving up and down the Turnpike, the refineries go on for miles, both sides of the roads. Beautiful, really makes the landscape look wonderful. There are oil tanks all over the place, many with big splotches of rust, again, beautiful. And now those beautiful sites are shut down, have been for years, at least some of them, and the structures are even more beautiful now as they are literally falling down.

Recently there was flooding in North Carolina, and with the high rivers and fast run off, we now have another beautiful site of 1 million tons of coal ash in the river. Before that, in July, the Dan river, also in NC, had another coal ash spill. In Tennessee, there was a coal ash spill from a dyke collapse, which dumped 525 million gallons of wet coal ash into the river. A similar spill in Kentucky spilled 300 million gallons into the river. Oh, yes, all of these contain mercury, arsenic, lead, and other metals, all toxic, but not in coal ash, coal ash is not considered a toxic waste.

And go look up the Powder River coal mine, 200 square miles of surface mines, or the 2500 mountain tops taken off in West Virginia to get at the coal, again, all improving the landscape.

I know you don't like it in your back yard, and understand your complaining. But to say it is better to have coal and oil, or NG is just a trade off.

Lastly, you mentioned the life of a wind turbine. You are correct that they will need maintenance and ultimate replacement. But so do the components of plant equipment and mining equipment for coal, oil, gas, and nuclear. These operations spend at least 5% per year in maintenance costs, mining equipment even higher. Trains and railroad tracks used for hauling coal also need repair and replacement. And of course you have heard about oil cars on trains falling over, catching fire, etc. Also google oil pipeline spills.

Wind, solar, hydro, and other renewables will increase, will become more and more cost effective and efficient over time. We in the US will likely never see a large percent renewables, but it can be done. Just google the number of countries that are already over 50% renewable. We even have states in the US that are over 50%, and will be exporters of electricity as a result bringing revenue into the state. You may not like it, but it will continue to increase.
So, growing up in eastern New Jersey, driving up a... (show quote)


Best line from the movie "Miss Congeniality: "Why is New Jersey called The Garden State?"

"Because it's too hard to fit "Oil and Petrochemical Refinery State" on a license plate."

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Oct 26, 2016 07:24:21   #
machia Loc: NJ
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Best line from the movie "Miss Congeniality: "Why is New Jersey called The Garden State?"

"Because it's too hard to fit "Oil and Petrochemical Refinery State" on a license plate."

Jerry ,
May be interesting to note that in the 1970's , then NJ Governor Cahill wanted to change the name to the Chemical State . No one wanted it .

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Oct 26, 2016 07:40:23   #
machia Loc: NJ
 
rpavich wrote:
And as a West Virginia resident, I can say that we LOVE to see it! It means folks working, jobs to feed families, and WV heritage and pride.

Bring those coal jobs back!

Trump vows to reopen the mines , Clinton to retrain miners and find them jobs in Green energy .
Here in NJ the heavy regulations on coal are forcing PSE&G to close down two major coal-fired energy plants that will send our electricity bills soaring as we will have to buy electricity from elsewhere .
Are we in a transitional period , or is this part of the Leftist Green agenda ?
Common sense says to phase things in over time . Green energy looks good on paper but wind turbines right now are not the answer . They can compliment things as can solar , but as a stand-alone energy supplier the technology just isn't there yet .
From a practical and realistic standpoint , I think we should turn to Nuclear more and invest in clean coal technology . We have plenty of coal , we ought to use it .
The Green Agenda is not based in practicality . It's an agenda driven by a lot of misinformation and an obsession with Carbon . But that's an entire subject of its own .
What's your opinion on all of this ? Just curious .

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Oct 26, 2016 09:20:56   #
Nalu Loc: Southern Arizona
 
Of coarse, the reasons for going renewable out here in the west is the climate change arguement, which I simply don't buy. Climate changes, get over it, and sometimes rapidly without the anthropogenic activity. My issue with renewables is the negative environmental impact. Check out the Ivanhoe plant just off the I 15 on the California/nevada boarder. The footprint is enormous compared to the same generation capacity of ng plant. Talk about environmental impact on native faura and fauna! And ask the operators of that plant how many birds are vaporized daily from them flying into the sun collection beams. So for me, going green is not really going green at all. It is a very poor land use. Nuclear in my mind is the best way to go, if people can get over the irrational fear factor.

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Oct 26, 2016 09:59:33   #
dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma
 
machia wrote:
Trump vows to reopen the mines , Clinton to retrain miners and find them jobs in Green energy .
Here in NJ the heavy regulations on coal are forcing PSE&G to close down two major coal-fired energy plants that will send our electricity bills soaring as we will have to buy electricity from elsewhere .
Are we in a transitional period , or is this part of the Leftist Green agenda ?
Common sense says to phase things in over time . Green energy looks good on paper but wind turbines right now are not the answer . They can compliment things as can solar , but as a stand-alone energy supplier the technology just isn't there yet .
From a practical and realistic standpoint , I think we should turn to Nuclear more and invest in clean coal technology . We have plenty of coal , we ought to use it .
The Green Agenda is not based in practicality . It's an agenda driven by a lot of misinformation and an obsession with Carbon . But that's an entire subject of its own .
What's your opinion on all of this ? Just curious .
Trump vows to reopen the mines , Clinton to retrai... (show quote)


They been closing mines since the 80s there were right at 15 in Oklahoma, Kansas an Missouri. All are gone since the 92 when last one closed.

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Oct 26, 2016 10:01:53   #
dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma
 
machia wrote:
Trump vows to reopen the mines , Clinton to retrain miners and find them jobs in Green energy .
Here in NJ the heavy regulations on coal are forcing PSE&G to close down two major coal-fired energy plants that will send our electricity bills soaring as we will have to buy electricity from elsewhere .
Are we in a transitional period , or is this part of the Leftist Green agenda ?
Common sense says to phase things in over time . Green energy looks good on paper but wind turbines right now are not the answer . They can compliment things as can solar , but as a stand-alone energy supplier the technology just isn't there yet .
From a practical and realistic standpoint , I think we should turn to Nuclear more and invest in clean coal technology . We have plenty of coal , we ought to use it .
The Green Agenda is not based in practicality . It's an agenda driven by a lot of misinformation and an obsession with Carbon . But that's an entire subject of its own .
What's your opinion on all of this ? Just curious .
Trump vows to reopen the mines , Clinton to retrai... (show quote)


They switched two coal power over to natural gas here in Okla.

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Oct 26, 2016 10:21:38   #
Duggy
 
As usual only Greenies propaganda not exactly a fair article list the people with the cons
not everyone buys this, a state vote would probably have a different out come if the future price of green energy per household , was projected. Remember The Obama healthcare lies are coming home to roost. It was to be great do a poll now and you will find years in , it is horrible.

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Oct 26, 2016 12:13:44   #
travelwp Loc: New Jersey
 
Ever since solar and wind energy hit the spotlight, I have been looking for solar powered jumbo jets and solar powered 100 car freight trains. Could some of you guys from Texas send photos so the rest of us can be educated.

I also understand that at the Clinton compound and at the Kennedy compound there are no windmills, so how good can wind energy actually be?

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Oct 26, 2016 12:16:59   #
dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma
 
travelwp wrote:
Ever since solar and wind energy hit the spotlight, I have been looking for solar powered jumbo jets and solar powered 100 car freight trains. Could some of you guys from Texas send photos so the rest of us can be educated.

I also understand that at the Clinton compound and at the Kennedy compound there are no windmills, so how good can wind energy actually be?


You really are limp minded.

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