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Sep 16, 2016 14:03:47   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
RichieC wrote:
http://fox8.com/2016/09/16/family-fights-back-pastors-wife-shoots-armed-would-be-robber/

Happened last night. Liberals would prefer to capitulate or succumb to the attacker- I guess they figure they can remarry and start over if the criminals don't kill them all. However it is your right- difference is this discussion is about the consideration of limiting MY right to defend myself, where as i don't care if you do or don't.

Twardlow is doing something wrong with his weapons, some of my firearms are now in their 3rd generation of ownership in my family, are indistinguishable from current new weapons, and they don't have single human body or even injury on them, despite existing for most of their life on an open rack with ammo readily available nearby and being held countless hours loaded and thousands of rounds through them. Funny how that common sense works.

I will say I am glad he keeps his under lock and key- he obviously is much safer that way. Maybe he should post a sign outside his house declaring their current safe keeping. Like "Gun Free Zone" or "Guns hopelessly unavailable for immediate use"... "Take my wife... Please"
http://fox8.com/2016/09/16/family-fights-back-past... (show quote)


Cute. Cute but irresponsible. Stastics show that most injuries from guns are within the family. Many moe siblings are shot than intruders. You have been fortunate or maybe lucky or possibley you and your family are well-trained and careful.

Statistics show the average joe ain't like you.

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Sep 16, 2016 14:59:20   #
Huey Driver Loc: Texas
 
Twardlow wrote:
Wait a minute Huey, I answered your question and left one for you to answer--which you are afraid to do.
Your trying to build a case using a small percentage of people who are shot by family members. Take a look at the overall stats on gun violence. Maybe even just look at Chicago and Detroit. Most people shot by guns were shot on purpose. A small percentage by accidental shootings in the home or otherwise. Very seldom would any gun laws on the books or ones put on the books in the future stop this carnage. You know and I know the real problem is not guns. The real problem is with society and a gun just happens to be a convenient instrument to commit a crime.

The only way to stop this is to confiscate all guns from ALL people and that would be impossible to do in America. And don’t forget the only reason Japan didn’t make a land invasion of the US during WWII was because they knew they not only would have to fight the military but armed civilians as well. Do you think ISIS might have similar thoughts today? Gun confiscation: somehow saying that I think people like Hillary (an anti-gunner) and other anti-gun politicians would continue to demand protection from armed body guards. What a bunch of hypocrites.

In my opinion you would be a lot more successful channeling your energies toward solving social issues that cause people to do bad things. Solve that and about 99% of gun problems would not exist anymore. Someday I hope folks like you wake up and smell the coffee.

I think you better quit talking until you own up.
Wait a minute Huey, I answered your question and l... (show quote)

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Sep 16, 2016 15:12:39   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
Sorry, I looked back to review your post and see that you did answer me.

It was at the top of my post, which is unusual, and I overlooked it.

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Sep 16, 2016 15:52:46   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Huey Driver wrote:
Obviously I would feel terrible if that were to happen. But that being said it's a risk vs. reward situation. First I am properly trained with firearms. Both militarily and as a civilian. I'll take my chances having and knowing how to use a firearm in the situation you mentioned. Obviously there is always the chance for human error in every situation even driving a car. But some things we just have to do regardless. I know a lot of gun owners and not one that I know has ever had a mishap like you mentioned. I think when you say the chances are greater that you will shoot someone you don't intend to shoot or yourself I think that stat is put together from the anti-gunners. I would like to see real unbiased documentation to support that statement.

Second, my guns are locked up, so using them is probably unlikely. I could keep one under my pillow, where it is more danger to me or my guests than to any thugs. (I have no children living in my house.)

Should your scanerio occur, probably even calling the police would be impossible. Do you think the thugs will let me phone?

So there is a good chance my wife would be raped and I beaten up or murdered. They wouldn't get much for their efforts unless they're smart enough to take my cameras, but then thugs aren't brilliant or they wouldn't be thugs, would they?

I have some pepper spray to discourage bears, but I don't keep it in the bedroom.

So, probably I would be beaten up or murdered.

Now, I answered you; you answer me:

You wake up in the middle of the night, hearing a disturbance in the living room; you load up and go to investigate, apprehensive as anyone would be, and you end shooting a family member. How would you feel?
Obviously I would feel terrible if that were to ha... (show quote)
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So is your answer that no matter what kind of weapon you have you prefer not to use it in case it is your wife or another family member in the house? From what you describe it isn't only a firearm you advocate not using but carrying it further you could say the same about a baseball bat, knife, hammer etc. Are you honestly saying you prefer your wife being raped and you beaten up and murdered; or shot/stabbed, whatever, as opposed to you having a firearm to protect yourself?

You are an adult and are capable of thinking tactically in your own house. You know the house, the intruder(s) do not. You are capable of deciding who is friendly in the home as opposed to the unfriendliness. If it is just you and your wife and she is beside you then you know all is well at least in the bedroom. But you still hear noises in the living room. Are you not able to grab a firearm and slowly make your way to the living room while your wife phones the police? That is what I mean by thinking tactically. Other clues come into play as well. Did you hear a window break, door being forced open, unknown voices in another part of the house?

You say you live in an area where those bad things don't happen. Don't most of us live in areas such as those unless you are living in a ghetto somewhere? With all of your firearms locked up what do you do about a home invasion if it happens. Are you at least capable to reach a firearm when 3 gang members knock on your door at night (two of them hidden from view) and force their way into your home. Believe me, that is where an illegal 15 round magazine (in some states) comes in handy.

I pray none of these scenarios happen to you but they do happen to other people on a regular basis. Fortunately many of them now have a firearm to protect their family, whether you believe it or not.

Dennis

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Sep 16, 2016 15:58:49   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
dennis2146 wrote:
So is your answer that no matter what kind of weapon you have you prefer not to use it in case it is your wife or another family member in the house? From what you describe it isn't only a firearm you advocate not using but carrying it further you could say the same about a baseball bat, knife, hammer etc. Are you honestly saying you prefer your wife being raped and you beaten up and murdered; or shot/stabbed, whatever, as opposed to you having a firearm to protect yourself?

You are an adult and are capable of thinking tactically in your own house. You know the house, the intruder(s) do not. You are capable of deciding who is friendly in the home as opposed to the unfriendliness. If it is just you and your wife and she is beside you then you know all is well at least in the bedroom. But you still hear noises in the living room. Are you not able to grab a firearm and slowly make your way to the living room while your wife phones the police? That is what I mean by thinking tactically. Other clues come into play as well. Did you hear a window break, door being forced open, unknown voices in another part of the house?

You say you live in an area where those bad things don't happen. Don't most of us live in areas such as those unless you are living in a ghetto somewhere? With all of your firearms locked up what do you do about a home invasion if it happens. Are you at least capable to reach a firearm when 3 gang members knock on your door at night (two of them hidden from view) and force their way into your home. Believe me, that is where an illegal 15 round magazine (in some states) comes in handy.

I pray none of these scenarios happen to you but they do happen to other people on a regular basis. Fortunately many of them now have a firearm to protect their family, whether you believe it or not.

Dennis
So is your answer that no matter what kind of weap... (show quote)


The insinuations you make are ridiculous.

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Sep 16, 2016 16:25:49   #
Jakebrake Loc: Broomfield, Colorado
 
DaveO wrote:
The insinuations you make are ridiculous.


Only in the gun grabbing liberal mentality Davey!

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Sep 16, 2016 16:32:28   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
Jakebrake wrote:
Only in the gun grabbing liberal mentality Davey!


Where do you dream up this crap? A guy makes a statement regarding family members being disproportionately injured and you guys are off and running. Do the liberal cracks and innuendo lend some credibility to your scoffing? Ridiculous!

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Sep 16, 2016 17:18:18   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
dennis2146 wrote:
So is your answer that no matter what kind of weapon you have you prefer not to use it in case it is your wife or another family member in the house? From what you describe it isn't only a firearm you advocate not using but carrying it further you could say the same about a baseball bat, knife, hammer etc. Are you honestly saying you prefer your wife being raped and you beaten up and murdered; or shot/stabbed, whatever, as opposed to you having a firearm to protect yourself?

You are an adult and are capable of thinking tactically in your own house. You know the house, the intruder(s) do not. You are capable of deciding who is friendly in the home as opposed to the unfriendliness. If it is just you and your wife and she is beside you then you know all is well at least in the bedroom. But you still hear noises in the living room. Are you not able to grab a firearm and slowly make your way to the living room while your wife phones the police? That is what I mean by thinking tactically. Other clues come into play as well. Did you hear a window break, door being forced open, unknown voices in another part of the house?

You say you live in an area where those bad things don't happen. Don't most of us live in areas such as those unless you are living in a ghetto somewhere? With all of your firearms locked up what do you do about a home invasion if it happens. Are you at least capable to reach a firearm when 3 gang members knock on your door at night (two of them hidden from view) and force their way into your home. Believe me, that is where an illegal 15 round magazine (in some states) comes in handy.

I pray none of these scenarios happen to you but they do happen to other people on a regular basis. Fortunately many of them now have a firearm to protect their family, whether you believe it or not.

Dennis
So is your answer that no matter what kind of weap... (show quote)


That's a pretty cheap trick, Dennis. I expect better than you. First of all, you are wildly mistaken, as I said I had pepper spray, though not in the bedroom. If we were dealing with anything beyound wild speculation, I'd move it.

"Are you honestly saying you prefer your wife being raped and you beaten up and murdered; or shot/stabbed, whatever, as opposed to you having a firearm to protect yourself?" This is too cheap to reply to. Shame on you.

You know the police aren't going to arrive before we're murdered. And stistically, we're more likely to shoot a family member or neighbor than an intruder. BTW, we don't even lock the doors at night.

"I pray none of these scenarios happen to you but they do happen to other people on a regular basis. Fortunately many of them now have a firearm to protect their family, whether you believe it or not." And more of them shoot an innocent party than shoot intruders.

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Sep 16, 2016 17:38:49   #
phcaan Loc: Willow Springs, MO
 
Twardlow wrote:
So, let's say there IS a God in Heaven, a loving God, and a gun suddenly appears in PNagy's hand, loaded and ready for action.

Statistics show he's more likely to shoot himself or one of his family than he is to shoot your mythical intruders.

This from a gun owner who understands statistics.


A gun is like any other tool, if you have not been trained to use it, you shouldn't.

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Sep 16, 2016 17:44:09   #
Keenan Loc: Central Coast California
 
phcaan wrote:
A gun is like any other tool, if you have not been trained to use it, you shouldn't.


So, would you advocate confiscation of all guns in the hands of those who have not been properly trained to use the "tool?"

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Sep 16, 2016 17:47:44   #
phcaan Loc: Willow Springs, MO
 
Keenan wrote:
So, would you advocate confiscation of all guns in the hands of those who have not been properly trained to use the "tool?"


Nope.

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Sep 16, 2016 18:59:08   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
phcaan wrote:
Nope.


Double nope, work on getting them to go get training of some type.
I think it should be like driver training in many high schools, part of the PE dept and everyone does it, if nothing else of the "see one, don't touch, tell someone" variety.
I had a friend who owned 3 gun and police gear shops, I used to help at his biggest one weekends and summers. I took one of the basic classes and sent my mother to one taught by a female police officer (she bonded better with the women and knew about things like purse carry and women only concealed holsters) and I sit in as an observer (got drafted to assist on the range), just so I could do better at urging people to get training.
Once had a customer who bought a little snubby .380 Walther PPK. I warned him snubbies were hard to shoot well etc etc but he wanted it because James Bond used one. Two days after pickup he came storming in complaining we sold him a lemon that didn't shoot straight. I was just hanging around and asked if he would go to the range with me and we would test the gun. He agreed, we went, he knew nothing about shooting and did everything wrong, half the shots didn't even hit the 2x3 foot paper the target was on at 7 yards. I then took the gun and fired off the whole magazine rapid fire with all shots inside the 9 and 10 ring. I told him it took me a couple of years practice to get to do that and the guy out at the counter A. was better than me and B. was the one I had suggested he see about lessons. As I left he was signing up for training, after that he was a good customer and listened when we gave advice.

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Sep 17, 2016 11:46:50   #
Jakebrake Loc: Broomfield, Colorado
 
DaveO wrote:
Where do you dream up this crap? A guy makes a statement regarding family members being disproportionately injured and you guys are off and running. Do the liberal cracks and innuendo lend some credibility to your scoffing? Ridiculous!


I stand by my post lib.

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Sep 17, 2016 11:51:13   #
Jakebrake Loc: Broomfield, Colorado
 
phcaan wrote:
Nope.


Exactly! If we want to dramatically reduce unnecessary deaths, lets start by educating the oh so many dumb asses driving cars.

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