selmslie wrote:
I did specify "full frame". The ten year old 20D is an 8 MP crop sensor and it needs a lens. The eBay price I saw was $250. For $25 it must be broken.
The $8.50 Contaflex is 60 years old, is full frame, includes a 50 mm lens and it has more than twice as much resolution as the 20D.
$25 was with a lens, and not broken. The full frames are newer. Give them time, they'll only get cheaper. And your Contaflex can't produce a single image until you purchase film for it.
Ah yes, let me recount all the things I miss from the days of shooting film:
stopping to change film;
missing a really great action shot as I change film;
the cost of film and processing;
the “Film Budget”, limiting the number of shots I can take of an event because of concerns about the cost of film and processing;
having the wrong speed film in the camera;
having only the wrong speed film;
waiting for days, or longer, for the film to be processed and see the results;
the smell of film developing chemicals;
the environmental cost of film developing chemicals (be very, very careful dumping them down the drain if you have a septic tank);
running to the processor every few days;
trying to keep a temporary darkroom dark;
locating a specific slide or negative years later;
maintaining a relevant stock of film on hand;
having a specific supply of a particular film sit idly in the refrigerator for years, eventually to be discarded;
explaining to my bitter half why I’m taking up valuable refrigerator space with that damn film!
dickwilber wrote:
Ah yes, let me recount all the things I miss from the days of shooting film:
stopping to change film;
missing a really great action shot as I change film;
the cost of film and processing;
the “Film Budget”, limiting the number of shots I can take of an event because of concerns about the cost of film and processing;
having the wrong speed film in the camera;
having only the wrong speed film;
waiting for days, or longer, for the film to be processed and see the results;
the smell of film developing chemicals;
the environmental cost of film developing chemicals (be very, very careful dumping them down the drain if you have a septic tank);
running to the processor every few days;
trying to keep a temporary darkroom dark;
locating a specific slide or negative years later;
maintaining a relevant stock of film on hand;
having a specific supply of a particular film sit idly in the refrigerator for years, eventually to be discarded;
explaining to my bitter half why I’m taking up valuable refrigerator space with that damn film!
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I can identify with all the above, and I can add a couple: Trying to reproduce a print I made at a previous time which had a complicated burning and dodging sequence, even with my notes and diagrams. And also, trying to make a quantity of identical prints with a complicated burning and dodging sequence.
burkphoto wrote:
There is a very different point of view out there that suggests that much or all of that structure and principle is just carefully piled higher and deeper academic BS designed to sell curricula, courses, and textbooks, and that it limits our perceptions to past ways of seeing the world.
I don't fully agree with that viewpoint, but I can certainly understand the argument. Many of the world's best artists are/were self-taught anomalies. They were too busy creating to pay attention in class... They developed intuitively. They learned the "principles" by discovery.
I think we need SOME principled education and structure, but we need to break all the rules every now and then, just to find new ones and shift broken paradigms
There is a very different point of view out there ... (
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Yes, there's a lot of that dismissive attitude out there--its an undercurrent in our society, a sad state of affairs.
dickwilber wrote:
Ah yes, let me recount all the things I miss from the days of shooting film:
stopping to change film;
missing a really great action shot as I change film;
the cost of film and processing;
the “Film Budget”, limiting the number of shots I can take of an event because of concerns about the cost of film and processing;
having the wrong speed film in the camera;
having only the wrong speed film;
waiting for days, or longer, for the film to be processed and see the results;
the smell of film developing chemicals;
the environmental cost of film developing chemicals (be very, very careful dumping them down the drain if you have a septic tank);
running to the processor every few days;
trying to keep a temporary darkroom dark;
locating a specific slide or negative years later;
maintaining a relevant stock of film on hand;
having a specific supply of a particular film sit idly in the refrigerator for years, eventually to be discarded;
explaining to my bitter half why I’m taking up valuable refrigerator space with that damn film!
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I think you fellas are making a little bit to much of this.
Stopping to change film: stopping to change cards
Missing a great shot to change film: ditto but having to change batteries.
The cost of processing the films: do it your self, no darkroom needed just a changing bag, a tank and a handful of chemicals.
Film budget: as long as your not working for someone "who cares"
Having the wrong speed set: ditto for digital as well
Having only the wrong film speed: never noticing it on the digital camera
Waiting for days for the film to be processed: waiting for days until you think you have enough to download.
The smell of the chemicals: can't argue there.
Environmental concerns: battery disposal
Running to the processor every few days: develope it yourself, waiting for a card to have enough to download.
Trying to keep a darkroom dark: don't need a dark room anymore, dry your film and scan it.
Locating a specific slide years later: after scanning save to an M-disc file good for a 100+ years, throw away negatives.
Retaining relevent film stock on hand: maintaining a stock of cards and charged batteries on hand.
Maintaining certain type of film on hand: keep it in the beer refrig in the garage or down cellar.
No explanation needed it's your beer fridge.
See it's not that bad.
dickwilber wrote:
Ah yes, let me recount all the things I miss from the days of shooting film:
stopping to change film;
missing a really great action shot as I change film;
the cost of film and processing;
the “Film Budget”, limiting the number of shots I can take of an event because of concerns about the cost of film and processing;
having the wrong speed film in the camera;
having only the wrong speed film;
waiting for days, or longer, for the film to be processed and see the results;
the smell of film developing chemicals;
the environmental cost of film developing chemicals (be very, very careful dumping them down the drain if you have a septic tank);
running to the processor every few days;
trying to keep a temporary darkroom dark;
locating a specific slide or negative years later;
maintaining a relevant stock of film on hand;
having a specific supply of a particular film sit idly in the refrigerator for years, eventually to be discarded;
explaining to my bitter half why I’m taking up valuable refrigerator space with that damn film!
Ah yes, let me recount all the things I miss from ... (
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Y
ROTFL. Been there, done ALL that, most of it twice!
Hell... I still have my film camera's I aint used since 2012, a Nikon E301, & my classic Olympus OM1, as well with my 1st 35mm... a Pentax K1000.
...& hell you never know if film will really come back like the Vinyl Record
74images
dickwilber wrote:
Ah yes, let me recount all the things I miss from the days of shooting film:
stopping to change film;
missing a really great action shot as I change film;
the cost of film and processing;
the “Film Budget”, limiting the number of shots I can take of an event because of concerns about the cost of film and processing;
having the wrong speed film in the camera;
having only the wrong speed film;
waiting for days, or longer, for the film to be processed and see the results;
the smell of film developing chemicals;
the environmental cost of film developing chemicals (be very, very careful dumping them down the drain if you have a septic tank);
running to the processor every few days;
trying to keep a temporary darkroom dark;
locating a specific slide or negative years later;
maintaining a relevant stock of film on hand;
having a specific supply of a particular film sit idly in the refrigerator for years, eventually to be discarded;
explaining to my bitter half why I’m taking up valuable refrigerator space with that damn film!
Ah yes, let me recount all the things I miss from ... (
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With all that resentment back then, makes one wonder why you took up photography in the first place.
I didn't want to buy a digital camera. I wanted to continue using film for no reason other than that I already had enough film cameras to last the rest of my life. But gone are the days when I could buy a roll of Portra for less than $5 and then had the film developed only for $3 in less than an hour. Went home spent the evening scan the whole rolls and evaluate them. Spent the next week or so every evening in the darkroom making 4x5 and 8x10 on RA-4 paper. It has gotten very difficult for me to do that. I bought my first DSLR in Dec 2013 and sold my complete color darkroom for $200.
BebuLamar wrote:
I didn't want to buy a digital camera. I wanted to continue using film for no reason other than that I already had enough film cameras to last the rest of my life. But gone are the days when I could buy a roll of Portra for less than $5 and then had the film developed only for $3 in less than an hour. Went home spent the evening scan the whole rolls and evaluate them. Spent the next week or so every evening in the darkroom making 4x5 and 8x10 on RA-4 paper. It has gotten very difficult for me to do that. I bought my first DSLR in Dec 2013 and sold my complete color darkroom for $200.
I didn't want to buy a digital camera. I wanted to... (
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But if you take inflation into account, the cost of film is only slightly higher than what it was 20 years ago. The price of many commodity items have risen drastically over the years, to a significantly greater extent than film has. For example, the cost of food, or the typical price of a theater ticket.
rook2c4 wrote:
With all that resentment back then, makes one wonder why you took up photography in the first place.
Because I was pretty good at it! What's your excuse?
TheDman wrote:
$25 was with a lens, and not broken. The full frames are newer. Give them time, they'll only get cheaper. And your Contaflex can't produce a single image until you purchase film for it.
Bid is up to $37+$14 S&H with 5 days left. You had better bid on it before it goes much higher.
Ellen101
Loc: Manhattan NY ..now Spring Hill, Fl
I do agree that sometimes film is better for achieving certain character in the results, especially with black and white.
However, I sadly confess that for me photography is an expensive hobby that I cannot afford.
I love taking pictures that I feel will move people to feel something. It has become a creative endeavor that I share with people.
I thank whoever invented digital photography. I know take photos for people at events and I also do photos shoots of families for a small fee.
Who know what the future will bring in photography technology.
Ellen101
Loc: Manhattan NY ..now Spring Hill, Fl
"What's your excuse?"
Sounds like a nasty attitude there.
Down boy.
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