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Jul 11, 2016 17:32:06   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Twardlow wrote:
Blurry, I know you're tired of hearing it, but...George Bush, wins hands down; how about Tricky Dick Nixon? You said "politician," how about Senator McCarthy? George Wallace? How the hell about Newt Gingrich? Or "Mr. Safe Bet," Dennis Hastert? He's in prison now, you know.

I know I'm missing a bunch, but Blurry, you gotta have a little perspective. You don't like Hillary; OK. That doesn't mean she goes around killing virgins.

Remember when Newt got tossed out? Livingston was about to be voted speaker, but he confessed to an affair and backed out. The next guy turned it down for the same reason, so they got Mr. Clean DENNIS HASTERT!

Give me a break about corruption.


Despite what some of you say, Hillary hasn't killed anyone! Really, she hasn't.

Politics is a contact sport, but Jesus, some reality has to be involved.
Blurry, I know you're tired of hearing it, but...G... (show quote)




No Tom, it is you that doesn't get it. Hillary is corrupt and she and Bill have been and will continue to pedal influence for personal gain. It really is that simple, those that you have mentioned do not even come close to her..... Obama is a liar, that is clear but he has not been plagued with scandals as the Clintons have been and will continue to be.... It is pretty simple, as long as she is in office it will be one scandal after another the country's business will cease as Clinton deservedly comes under siege as her actions past and present catch up to her.

$200 Million in wealth Tom and another couple of billion in their foundation that only spends 10% directly on causes.... and you think that they amassed this because people were really that interested in what they had to say.... Don't be foolish Tom.... They have sold this country and its government for personal gain and because of this there are those that will never allow her a day of peace during her presidency should she be elected.

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Jul 11, 2016 17:51:54   #
Zophman Loc: Northwest
 
Twardlow wrote:
I don't know whether you address me of someone else. But I'm not looking through a straw; I'm looking through 5,000 years of history.

Some Straw.

No solution has been found during that period. One may be available, but no one's found it yet.

I'll make a deal with you, seriously. You quit looking at Hillary through a straw and quit 'looking to place blame,' and I'll cut Bush some slack. If you can't do it, why should I?


I look at Hillary and attempting to be objective, I discover she does not have the capacity to perform in the office of the president. I ill point out a few of her deficits:

1. Lack of Good Leadership: She is a very poor leader and manager evidenced by her lack of any positive results of any project she has had the senior responsibility to manage. For instance her attempt in the health care initiative she initiative way back when in her spouse's administration. And the most recent failure as Secretary of State with the Libyan fiasco and the "Reset Initiative. Then her being ousted from the Whitewater deal. Should I go on?

2. Lack of Good Judgement: Her judgement is a liability to all those whom she was suppose to serve. The recent email investigation by the FBI is pretty clear about her inability to use good judgement. And again, her judgement in the Reset Initiative and the Libyan overthrow are just two more examples of her significant deficit when it comes to good judgement.

3. Ethics: Any person who has been in the public sector as long as she has should have the very basic understanding that you don't mix politics and personal gain nor do you allow any activity or action to question your ethics. Her dealings with the uranium and Russia deal as well as the alleged improprieties with donations from nations to the Clinton Foundation and favorable arms deals to the donating nations is a clear indication of either her low ethical standards or her complete stupidity. In either case it is another significant negative for me.

4. Poor Self Opinion: Her self esteem must be in the toilet in that she has accepted all of Bill's trysts and adulterous activities over the years. She is a disgrace to women by allowing her husband to disrespect and dishonor her, in public, all of these years. I consider her lack of self respect to be a major character deficit which may (probably has) create a sociopath.

5. Lack of Effective Communication: Her action(s) and lack of action in the Benghazi situation is a significant example of her inability or unwillingness to communicate with her superiors, her subordinates and the citizens of the United States. Her story to the families of the fallen is the best example of her inability to communicate what really happened. As a senior leader and manager, effective communication is only one basic skill that must be mastered to lead any organization to success. In my book she fails at this in almost every situation.

6. Morality: There are so many examples I could cite, but I only need the one that she is a supporter of abortion. My personal morality tells me that abortion is the murdering of another human being. (Please don't give me the "woman's right" argument. It doesn't work for me.)

So you are free to respond, but I am pretty sure your response will be worthless in convincing me that Hillary should be our next president.

I'll respond to your "5,000 year view" on the Middle East later.

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Jul 11, 2016 18:01:56   #
Zophman Loc: Northwest
 
Twardlow wrote:
You may look at it that way, but the question remains the same...which one will do a better job of administering the nation for four years?

It's that simple.

It's not a protest vote and it's not a love declaration.

It may not even be a matter of respect, but you have to vote for one and one only.

Choose the better and hope for the best.


Big difference between "administering" (did you mean "administrating"?) and "leading". To me "administering" connotes the dispensing of medicine. (What pills will Hillery give to us?) Leading on the other hand, is moving people to achieve.

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Jul 11, 2016 19:41:06   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
No Tom, it is you that doesn't get it. Hillary is corrupt and she and Bill have been and will continue to pedal influence for personal gain. It really is that simple, those that you have mentioned do not even come close to her..... Obama is a liar, that is clear but he has not been plagued with scandals as the Clintons have been and will continue to be.... It is pretty simple, as long as she is in office it will be one scandal after another the country's business will cease as Clinton deservedly comes under siege as her actions past and present catch up to her.

$200 Million in wealth Tom and another couple of billion in their foundation that only spends 10% directly on causes.... and you think that they amassed this because people were really that interested in what they had to say.... Don't be foolish Tom.... They have sold this country and its government for personal gain and because of this there are those that will never allow her a day of peace during her presidency should she be elected.
No Tom, it is you that doesn't get it. Hillary is... (show quote)


Blurry, I think your ideas are getting more and more...more and more...what??

You don't seem to be the old semi-rational Blurry I argued with.

Perhaps you might be losing perspective, I don't know.

Anyway, I hope it's nothing serious.

You're the best one to disagree with.

Cheers, tom

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Jul 11, 2016 21:05:09   #
FlyingTiger Loc: Tortola, BVI
 
Twardlow wrote:
Jake, you old Marine, you know better than I that the retreat is the most difficult maneuver practiced by the military.

And it's more difficult when your own people are sniping at you, isn't it? Even the Marines didn't have to face that.

Then you ignore the cost of the TWO wars in the National Debt. That was a republican move, so it's OK, just blame it on Obama?

How much increase in the Debt has these social programs added? Please answer.

Al Quaeda and ISIS are the result of generations of USA meddling in Middle Eastern Politics and affronting the Muslim Nations, and finally Attacking Them. This has been going on since 1945, and things are coming home to roost.

I like Obama, and I think he a fine President. Read a post on this site just yesterday where historians listed him at 17 from the top. I can live with that, though I think his standing will improve with a longer perspective.

You detest Obama and Hillary; you're allowed.

I detest Bush and Trump. I can defend my views easier and more completely than you can yours.

You know Trump is an idiot, but wil vote for him because he is the most conservative. That doesn't make sense.

Eventually you have to answer, which of these two will best serve the US and its citizens for four years?

That's some responsibility.
Jake, you old Marine, you know better than I that ... (show quote)


What a pompous post. Not to mention the numerous untruths in the post.

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Jul 11, 2016 21:08:20   #
Keenan Loc: Central Coast California
 
FlyingTiger wrote:
What a pompous post. Not to mention the numerous untruths in the post.


I've noticed that you call everyone pompous who knows more than you or can beat you on facts or logic. Perhaps it is you who has the problem, not those who you disagree with that you perceive as "pompous". Ever considered that?

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Jul 11, 2016 21:16:32   #
Penny MG Loc: Fresno, Texas
 
Twardlow wrote:
The analogy is forced. Trump is Never the 75% chance; he knows nothing of law, international law, the constitution, politics, economics or administration. He knows only name-calling, and has proved that convincingly.

Trump and ten cents won't get you a cup of coffee.

If there is any 75% in this equation, it is Hillary, who has life long experience in several areas of Government.


Hillary WAS a lawyer so she knows how to circumvent the law and take advantage of loopholes to line her own pockets. By virtue of his business overseas, I'm sure trump knows more about international law and politics than you'd like to admit. Hillary and U.S. Finances? No way... Remember she said her and Bill were broke after leaving the Whitehouse. Really? after giving many speeches for hundreds of thousands of dollars, book deals, etc? They are broke but buy a several million dollar home? So what is she really? Broke or a total LIAR?

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Jul 11, 2016 21:22:03   #
gmcase Loc: Galt's Gulch
 
Penny MG wrote:
Hillary WAS a lawyer so she knows how to circumvent the law and take advantage of loopholes to line her own pockets. By virtue of his business overseas, I'm sure trump knows more about international law and politics than you'd like to admit. Hillary and U.S. Finances? No way... Remember she said her and Bill were broke after leaving the Whitehouse. Really? after giving many speeches for hundreds of thousands of dollars, book deals, etc? They are broke but buy a several million dollar home? So what is she really? Broke or a total LIAR?
Hillary WAS a lawyer so she knows how to circumven... (show quote)


My money is on total liar.

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Jul 11, 2016 21:25:16   #
FlyingTiger Loc: Tortola, BVI
 
Keenan wrote:
I've noticed that you call everyone pompous who knows more than you or can beat you on facts or logic. Perhaps it is you who has the problem, not those who you disagree with that you perceive as "pompous". Ever considered that?


Oh really? Why don't you show me and others one other place I have used the word pompous or called someone pompous. Show me that. You state I call "everyone" pompous. Prove it.

I have read other posts where people accuse you of attributing words to them that they did not use. I can now confirm they are correct as you are dishonestly attempting to do the same thing to me. Won't work.

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Jul 11, 2016 21:29:53   #
FlyingTiger Loc: Tortola, BVI
 
Keenan wrote:
I've noticed that you call everyone pompous who knows more than you or can beat you on facts or logic. Perhaps it is you who has the problem, not those who you disagree with that you perceive as "pompous". Ever considered that?


Waiting for you to show us where I have called EVERYONE pompous. Should not take you long.

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Jul 11, 2016 23:04:47   #
cwp3420
 
FlyingTiger wrote:
Waiting for you to show us where I have called EVERYONE pompous. Should not take you long.


One thing about Keenan. He is not a man of his word.

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Jul 11, 2016 23:27:01   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
FlyingTiger wrote:
What a pompous post. Not to mention the numerous untruths in the post.


What do you consider the 'untruths' in that post?

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