Accident my arse! This was negligent homicide! (Page 2): Having been a deputy sheriff and deputy coroner I can't tell you how wrong you are. Check the newspapers here and there and you...

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

Frank T wrote:

I see the usual collection of right wing zealots are quick to jump to the defense of this man. If he negligently ran his son over with his car and killed him, he would be prosecuted. Why are we giving him a pass because he used a gun?
Really, think about what he did and tell me why that wasn't negligence. Criminally Negligent Manslaughter would be an appropriate charge.

Having been a deputy sheriff and deputy coroner I can't tell you how wrong you are. Check the newspapers here and there and you will find that it is somewhat common for a driver to back up and run over a child who is unknowingly behind them. There are never charges filed because there is no crime, just a tragic accident where the parent thought he/she knew where the child was but was mistaken. If alcohol is involved then charges may be filed. Liberals are all too quick to jump on anything relating to firearms that causes death or wounding even though there is no criminal intent to cause harm. Check the actual statistics to find out that automobiles kill many times more people in America than firearms Liberals jump on firearms to blame.

Dennis

taffthetooth Loc: U.K

kd7eir wrote:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/father-accidentally-kills-son-us-gun-range-police-215801304.html?ref=gs

I feel sorry for this child that was cheated out of his life by his asshole father.

For the father I have absolutely zero sympathy. I seriously hope that this haunts him for the rest of eternity.

During my military career, we were on the range, and a lad I worked with was on the firing point with a 9mm automatic and was about to start
shooting when he realized his ear defenders were around his neck. Whilst the pistol was cocked and safety off he started to put his ear defenders on
which meant he ended up pointing the gun backwards directly at us, I've never seen a group hit the floor as fast as we did with a sphincter factor
of 10. To say the range officer reamed him out, not to mention me, was an understatement.

Jakebrake Loc: Broomfield, Colorado

Leica User wrote:

What kind of sick person are you?

He is simply one of many lefty wing nut gun grabbing fools we have here on the forum spewing his ideology by demonstrating it through a tragedy. I'm sure the father will be haunted by this accident for the rest of his life.

Jakebrake Loc: Broomfield, Colorado

green wrote:

perish? 1520 called... they want their word back.

Oh my, Homer and his word/spelling police are on patrol today.

Jakebrake Loc: Broomfield, Colorado

Bazbo wrote:

NOW you are worried about "a fair and objective criminal investigation"? Aren't people like you already proclaiming Clinton guilty in the FBI email probe before the investigation has even been completed? And don't even get me started on Benghazi (spoiler alert: still nothing there).

But let an idiot get his son killed on gun range and NOW you are all fussy about "a fair and objective criminal investigation".

Precious.

Well.....she is. Him, not so much.

mwalsh Loc: Houston

Frank T wrote:

If he negligently ran his son over with his car and killed him, he would be prosecuted. Why are we giving him a pass because he used a gun?

How do you figure this? Accidents happen. People back over kids in the driveway. They don't generally get prosecuted. They get to live with it.

phcaan Loc: Willow Springs, MO

Frank T wrote:

I see the usual collection of right wing zealots are quick to jump to the defense of this man. If he negligently ran his son over with his car and killed him, he would be prosecuted. Why are we giving him a pass because he used a gun?
Really, think about what he did and tell me why that wasn't negligence. Criminally Negligent Manslaughter would be an appropriate charge.

I don't understand, on one hand you promote and support the murder of the unborn children, but when politically expedient you defend the lives of the children you weren't able to kill one the abortion table. Which is it?

Frank T Loc: New York, NY

mwalsh wrote:

How do you figure this? Accidents happen. People back over kids in the driveway. They don't generally get prosecuted. They get to live with it.

Not all accidents rise to the level of criminal negligence. When it does, they are prosecuted. I think this is a case of criminal negligence. Give the case to a grand jury and let them decide.

phcaan Loc: Willow Springs, MO

mwalsh wrote:

How do you figure this? Accidents happen. People back over kids in the driveway. They don't generally get prosecuted. They get to live with it.

Which to me, would be far worse.

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

Frank T wrote:

Not all accidents rise to the level of criminal negligence. When it does, they are prosecuted. I think this is a case of criminal negligence. Give the case to a grand jury and let them decide.

I guess when the police have finished their investigation they will make a determination and give it to the local district attorney. My experience tells me this father will live with this for the rest of his life but will not face charges.

Dennis

ole sarg Loc: south florida

One cannot afford accidents with a weapon. A civilian uses a weapon to either hunt or in an act of self defense. Prior to using a weapon one should go through training. The best course is given by the military and it is rather simple:

a. General Commands. The following are general commands and may be altered when necessary.

"Firers, assume the _____ position."
(Issue the firer ___ rounds of ammunition.)
"Coach, secure ___ rounds of ammunition.
"Lock one round, load"
"Ready on the right?"
"Ready on the left?"
"Ready on the firing line?"
"Commence firing when your targets appear."
"Cease firing, lock and clear all weapons."

Read it, study it, learn it, memorize it and make these rules govern your weapon behavior.

Zophman Loc: Northwest

Bazbo wrote:

NOW you are worried about "a fair and objective criminal investigation"? Aren't people like you already proclaiming Clinton guilty in the FBI email probe before the investigation has even been completed? And don't even get me started on Benghazi (spoiler alert: still nothing there).

But let an idiot get his son killed on gun range and NOW you are all fussy about "a fair and objective criminal investigation".

Precious.

The challenge I have with the Hillary email situation is the strong possibility of significant political influence in the outcome of the FBI investigation. From what I have seen in this matter it is apparent she, in the very least, did not comply with established policy and procedure. An arrogant and self serving action. And an action that has a significant potential negative impact on the security of the United States.

But I agree the same standard for criminal investigation should apply in practice. Both issues are surrounded with a political climate that detracts from the objectiveness we hope is prevelant in our justice system. But we all know justice is not always fair and objective.

jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ

I can't imagine what that poor father is going through right now. It's a bit like the father that rushes to work and while he backs down his own driveway accidently runs over his own toddler. These are tragic and sad accidents that the parents will punish themselves for the rest of their lives.

Ka2azman Loc: Tucson, Az

Frank T wrote:

If it wasn't negligence then it was intentional and I don't believe that it was intentional.
How does one bring a loaded gun around his back and attempt to manipulate his shirt with his finger still on the trigger and not be negligent.
Come on Checkmate, just one time forget the insults and try to put together a coherent answer.

I've had hot casings go down the back of my shirt, they burn severely. What is the reaction to being burned - instinctively get the burning item off your back. Its done without thinking. That is what a common man would do. If a man is right handed he will use his strong hand to do it. Instinctive again. What hand would he be holding a gun, his strong hand.

There are accidents in this world that do not need to be negligence. Notice in the definition "proper care", and "reasonable care". The father was acting like a reasonable person would and had no intention of hurting his son, as you stated. Also note "some of these accidents are due to negligence" in the definition, making a statement that there are accidents that are not negligence.

Definition:
neg·li·gence
ˈneɡləjəns/
noun
failure to take proper care in doing something.
"some of these accidents are due to negligence"
LAW
failure to use reasonable care, resulting in damage or injury to another.

Zophman Loc: Northwest

ole sarg wrote:

One cannot afford accidents with a weapon. A civi... (show quote)

And even with all of this, accidents on military ranges happen, especially in "the field" for annual qualifications. One millisecond of inattention sometimes is all it takes.