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Jun 19, 2016 19:47:33   #
terry44 Loc: Tuolumne County California, Maui Hawaii
 
I will look into those sites I just googled copyright law and they came up. I like Ed Greenbergs advice if you are a KelbyOne user there is some good videos up and though they are a year or two old they still pertain to today. I have had 2 photos taken off of facebook that were used without my permission and was able to get them taken down only because I was able to prove through my copyrights I filed that they were mine. 1 refused to pay me anything (Chinese group). But the other were nice enough to send me a apology (which also stated in legal terms that they would never use my photos unless they have my permission in writing) and a check for $850. dollars that to me was nice I could have went to court though and would have won a substantial amount more but like I said I am in this mostly for the enjoyment and therapy that photography gives, and I make a fairly good amount of cash from old friends I shot in the old days and I sell many from my hangings inn condos and some shops that hang them up for me. It pays for my trips and equipment with a nice cushion in my pocket. I hope that others including the OP can do this also, we are only protecting ourseles when we file the simple copyright, these photos are our babies, our memories, our passion. Sorry for the name calling wont do it to you again, I do appreciate it when folks correct me if I am wrong, so thanks.
louparker wrote:
I stand corrected if you are referring to filing a copyright application yourself -- it does cost less than $100 per photo depending on what type of application you file. But if you have a lawyer file it for you, it will definitely cost $2-300, which is what I was referring to in my previous post. But, there's no need for you to call me or anyone else a "jerk" -- you can be civil about disagreeing with someone's opinion and all you have to do is politely provide your opinion. In that regard, both of the links you provided about copyrights are way out of date -- one is 8 years old and the other is 11 years old. Here's the link for the current info directly from the US Copyright Office: http://www.copyright.gov/fls/sl04s.pdf.

In any event, as the US Copyright Office explains, if you are in the business of selling photos, you probably need to file an application for a copyright for a "work for hire," which costs more than a photo that is not for sale. And regardless, even if you have a registered copyright on a photo that you submit in a contest, as I said before, by the terms of the contest sponsor you will be giving up some or all of your rights and ownership of that photo depending on what the terms provide--in other words, you will be transferring or assigning some or all of your copyright to the sponsor, again depending on what the sponsor's terms provide.
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Jun 20, 2016 01:09:28   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Ditto: "I would suggest what the second prize was - and be happy to get that."
Gene51 wrote:
Sounds like you gave away your rights by submitting that image for the contest. If the bank want's to play hardball, they don't have to pay you anything. That is exactly what "royalty-free, perpetual, non-exclusive license to display and distribute the entries in any media format, including use for any XXXX related marketing and promotional purposes" means.

If they are being generous, I would suggest what the second prize was - and be happy to get that.

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Jun 20, 2016 01:12:58   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
By asking about price, the bank has indicated it expects to pay something for the photograph. I sense that if you propose a reasonable price, say, $200, the bank will say Yes.

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Jun 20, 2016 06:22:45   #
lisabearsitall Loc: Chester County, PA
 
manspam wrote:
Hello All, I haven't posted on UHH for awhile, although I frequently read the discussion board and view photographs. I'm hoping someone can provide some guidelines in the pricing of a photograph of mine that a bank wants to purchase. I recently won a photo contest (2nd runner up) with a prize of $200. Yeah! I will be meeting with the bank rep on Monday to pick up the check, have my photo taken and sign forms. The bank rep indicated that he wants to purchase another one of my photos that I entered in the contest (yeah again!), and said we could discuss pricing when I meet him at the bank on Monday. The will be using the photos for promotional purposes (the contest involved submitting photos that capture the beauty of our area and show why its a great place to live). So my question is, what is a fair price to ask for my photo? I'm including some verbiage that was listed in submitting photos for the contest:

•All contest participants will agree that "Any photograph submitted for this contest must be taken by the person entering the contest. Submission of a photograph grants XXXXX a royalty-free, perpetual, non-exclusive license to display and distribute the entries in any media format, including use for any XXXX related marketing and promotional purposes.
Hello All, I haven't posted on UHH for awhile, al... (show quote)


Hi Manspam. Does the person at the bank want to buy a print or digital file? If this image is better than the photo that won second place, can you ask for the amount the first place winner was awarded? Also, is the bank as a business the buyer or a guy that works at the bank that want to hang it in his house? These are things I would roll around in my head to help decide. Sorry, I realize these are only more questions. I just would not sell yourself too short if you are going the professional route. Good luck!

-Lisa

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Jun 20, 2016 11:43:00   #
The Watcher
 
I think after six pages of comments, the OP should post his award winning photos.

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Jun 20, 2016 12:08:32   #
manspam Loc: Michigan
 
Sorry for the delay in getting back with all of you, my computer froze up on Sat. and I was busy yesterday. Wow, I didn't expect so many replies. Thanks to all (except one) who were kind enough to respond-it's a lot of food for thought. To sum things up, yes, I was aware of the permission rights when I entered the contest. I hesitated entering for that reason, but decided to enter some photos that were good, just not my best ones in the event they didn't win-I didn't want to give away my rights. The photo that they want to purchase WAS submitted in the contest, but they have asked to purchase it from me. Not sure if the contest is sponsored by the bank or someone else, I am meeting the gentleman at the bank this afternoon to pick up contest $ and discuss the photo he wants to purchase. He also told me he'd like to look at some of the other photos I have that I didn't submit. I do not have a photography business and this is the first photo contest I won $$ in. (I've only entered a few but I did win an "honorable mention" in a photo contest that was judged by a former student of Ansel Adams). I consider myself an amateur, yet when I submitted some of my photos to the Director of Public Relations of a large Zoo she said "You're no amateur-these look like professional photographs". Yet I still have so much to learn, and UHH is a great learning place! That said, I asked what would be a fair price for the second photo entered in the contest just to get a ballpark figure. I think I will be happy with what they offer, based on their prize $$, as this was an unexpected surprise.

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Jun 20, 2016 13:22:18   #
louparker Loc: Scottsdale, AZ
 
manspam wrote:
Sorry for the delay in getting back with all of you, my computer froze up on Sat. and I was busy yesterday. Wow, I didn't expect so many replies. Thanks to all (except one) who were kind enough to respond-it's a lot of food for thought. To sum things up, yes, I was aware of the permission rights when I entered the contest. I hesitated entering for that reason, but decided to enter some photos that were good, just not my best ones in the event they didn't win-I didn't want to give away my rights. The photo that they want to purchase WAS submitted in the contest, but they have asked to purchase it from me. Not sure if the contest is sponsored by the bank or someone else, I am meeting the gentleman at the bank this afternoon to pick up contest $ and discuss the photo he wants to purchase. He also told me he'd like to look at some of the other photos I have that I didn't submit. I do not have a photography business and this is the first photo contest I won $$ in. (I've only entered a few but I did win an "honorable mention" in a photo contest that was judged by a former student of Ansel Adams). I consider myself an amateur, yet when I submitted some of my photos to the Director of Public Relations of a large Zoo she said "You're no amateur-these look like professional photographs". Yet I still have so much to learn, and UHH is a great learning place! That said, I asked what would be a fair price for the second photo entered in the contest just to get a ballpark figure. I think I will be happy with what they offer, based on their prize $$, as this was an unexpected surprise.
Sorry for the delay in getting back with all of yo... (show quote)


Sounds like you're doing well with your photography -- I think many of us would love to see some of the photos you described, including both the one you won 2nd place with and the one the bank says it wants to buy.

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Jun 21, 2016 15:01:37   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
manspam wrote:
Sorry for the delay in getting back with all of you, my computer froze up on Sat. and I was busy yesterday. Wow, I didn't expect so many replies. Thanks to all (except one) who were kind enough to respond-it's a lot of food for thought. To sum things up, yes, I was aware of the permission rights when I entered the contest. I hesitated entering for that reason, but decided to enter some photos that were good, just not my best ones in the event they didn't win-I didn't want to give away my rights. The photo that they want to purchase WAS submitted in the contest, but they have asked to purchase it from me. Not sure if the contest is sponsored by the bank or someone else, I am meeting the gentleman at the bank this afternoon to pick up contest $ and discuss the photo he wants to purchase. He also told me he'd like to look at some of the other photos I have that I didn't submit. I do not have a photography business and this is the first photo contest I won $$ in. (I've only entered a few but I did win an "honorable mention" in a photo contest that was judged by a former student of Ansel Adams). I consider myself an amateur, yet when I submitted some of my photos to the Director of Public Relations of a large Zoo she said "You're no amateur-these look like professional photographs". Yet I still have so much to learn, and UHH is a great learning place! That said, I asked what would be a fair price for the second photo entered in the contest just to get a ballpark figure. I think I will be happy with what they offer, based on their prize $$, as this was an unexpected surprise.
Sorry for the delay in getting back with all of yo... (show quote)


Keep up the great work,and don't let the haters get you down . . .

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Jun 21, 2016 15:07:55   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Rongnongno wrote:
You folks need a life. Call me any name you want but you are the one who disturb the thread.

As to my comment:

The copyright was given away so if the op does not know that he has a serious problem. Selling something that is not his is illegal.

I am sure a few folks here understand exactly what was/is being said.

If you do not know what to charge don't do it....
1) You can undercharge and basically become a sucker
2) You over charge, good for you but than again, no one will come back to you.

Then add the contest context. I do not know who this op is talking to but that person does not know the fine prints... And neither does the op since he has to ask such a silly question or more exactly selects not to pay attention.

So, I reiterate my initial comment:
You folks need a life. Call me any name you want ... (show quote)


Please go away - you missed the point AGAIN!. And you continue to show your ignorance and how little you actually comprehend through the "Rongnongno Filter"

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Jun 21, 2016 15:24:51   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
Gene51 wrote:
Please go away - you missed the point AGAIN!. And you continue to show your ignorance and how little you actually comprehend through the "Rongnongno Filter"


Thank you!!!

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Jun 21, 2016 17:05:19   #
The Watcher
 
Still waiting to see those award winning photos.

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Jun 22, 2016 17:17:35   #
manspam Loc: Michigan
 
JohnSwanda wrote:
The OP did not give away the copyright. The bank has the right to NONEXCLUSIVE use of the photos. There is nothing there about giving up the copyright. And since the bank has the right to use the photos and is willing to pay for using one, the OP doesn't have much negotiating power beyond taking what they offer or asking to more hoping they will be extra generous.


Just a quick update. Met with the VP of Marketing on Monday to pick up my check. Turns out the bank is the one who sponsored the contest. Marketing guy looked at my other photos and is interested in purchasing digital copies of 2 other photos for their website and brochures. Bubble was burst when he only offered $25 for each photo. Said he usually uses stock photos and pays $10 for those, but preferred local pictures that our community can identify with. Told him I'd sleep on it and get back with him-haven't yet. I'm still having computer problems and just made a quick pit stop at the library to check my email. Don't have photos with me as some requested, other than one of the ones he wants to buy that wasn't submitted in the contest (see below). Not sure if I want to give up exclusive rights for only $25.



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Jun 22, 2016 17:44:17   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
manspam wrote:
Just a quick update. Met with the VP of Marketing on Monday to pick up my check. Turns out the bank is the one who sponsored the contest. Marketing guy looked at my other photos and is interested in purchasing digital copies of 2 other photos for their website and brochures. Bubble was burst when he only offered $25 for each photo. Said he usually uses stock photos and pays $10 for those, but preferred local pictures that our community can identify with. Told him I'd sleep on it and get back with him-haven't yet. I'm still having computer problems and just made a quick pit stop at the library to check my email. Don't have photos with me as some requested, other than one of the ones he wants to buy that wasn't submitted in the contest (see below). Not sure if I want to give up exclusive rights for only $25.
Just a quick update. Met with the VP of Marketing... (show quote)

Whatever the price, non exclusive is the best bet. Then again it will depend on how firm you want to be on that.

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Jun 22, 2016 18:41:49   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
manspam wrote:
Just a quick update. Met with the VP of Marketing on Monday to pick up my check. Turns out the bank is the one who sponsored the contest. Marketing guy looked at my other photos and is interested in purchasing digital copies of 2 other photos for their website and brochures. Bubble was burst when he only offered $25 for each photo. Said he usually uses stock photos and pays $10 for those, but preferred local pictures that our community can identify with. Told him I'd sleep on it and get back with him-haven't yet. I'm still having computer problems and just made a quick pit stop at the library to check my email. Don't have photos with me as some requested, other than one of the ones he wants to buy that wasn't submitted in the contest (see below). Not sure if I want to give up exclusive rights for only $25.
Just a quick update. Met with the VP of Marketing... (show quote)


So the obvious silver lining here is that your work can be submitted to a stock photo house and he will not be the only person buying your work. If it is good enough for this bank, it's good enough for other purposes, and you will find that once you get started, checks from the stock agency tend to show up a very opportune moments. Take the money and run, and find an active stock agency you like and which might work with you.

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Jun 22, 2016 18:42:23   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
The Watcher wrote:
Still waiting to see those award winning photos.


Don't hold your breath . . .

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