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Even the Jelly Bean President thought the gun nuts should not have automatic weapons
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Jun 19, 2016 10:58:14   #
richard-sports Loc: New York City
 
And go ahead and criticize Occupy Dems but that is a direct quote from the sainted Ronnie Jelly Bean.
He said it, if you do not like it then lump it.



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Jun 19, 2016 11:07:54   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
He is talking assault weapons which are fully automatic or otherwise known as machine guns. The firearms in question today by Liberals are SEMI AUTOMATIC which are NOT machine guns. How many times do you Liberals have to be told that? Much of the problem regarding firearms today is that people, especially reporters, have no idea what they are talking about. They confuse clips with magazines, semi auto rifles with machine guns, firearms that simply are different looking to tried and true semi automatic firearms that have been used lawfully by American sportsmen and children since the early 1900's.

Machine guns have been heavily regulated since 1934. Now only a few states allow their possession and to buy a machine gun takes a few months of waiting and a hefty tax payment on the sale. In reality machine guns, what are really assault rifles, have not been used in a crime in recent history that I know of. There was an owner of a machine gun, an AR-15, who successfully used it to ward of multiple attackers a few years ago.

Please get your facts straight before just point out inaccuracies.

Dennis

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Jun 19, 2016 11:09:26   #
richard-sports Loc: New York City
 
dennis2146 wrote:
He is talking assault weapons which are fully automatic or otherwise known as machine guns. The firearms in question today by Liberals are SEMI AUTOMATIC which are NOT machine guns. How many times do you Liberals have to be told that? Much of the problem regarding firearms today is that people, especially reporters, have no idea what they are talking about. They confuse clips with magazines, semi auto rifles with machine guns, firearms that simply are different looking to tried and true semi automatic firearms that have been used lawfully by American sportsmen and children since the early 1900's.

Machine guns have been heavily regulated since 1934. Now only a few states allow their possession and to buy a machine gun takes a few months of waiting and a hefty tax payment on the sale. In reality machine guns, what are really assault rifles, have not been used in a crime in recent history that I know of. There was an owner of a machine gun, an AR-15, who successfully used it to ward of multiple attackers a few years ago.

Please get your facts straight before just point out inaccuracies.

Dennis
He is talking assault weapons which are fully auto... (show quote)


Wanna bet he would condemn owning semi-automatics today?
They have become the weapon of choice of the very people he feared would own them.
Even the jelly bean and ketchup diet kept him alert enough to know the danger.

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Jun 19, 2016 11:37:10   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
The hair splitting between semi-automatic and automatic is getting really boring. Ask just about anyone who's been in the service or a police officer and ask them what mode they use their M16's in and they will invariably tell you semi-automatic. True in a combat situation, you might go to 3 round burst or full auto but that's pretty rare. Add that to the fact that the weapon can actually shoot faster in semi-auto than most people can pull the trigger and you see how stupid that argument is.

In the end whether it's the m16, AR15 or any other incarnation of this weapon it is designed to do one thing. Cause massive wounds to human bodies.

It's also pretty useless for home defense, unless you live in Islamabad as it's designed to over-penetrate and could result in a bunch of dead or wounded neighbors.

Then of course there's that 2nd Amendment thing that the gun lovers are so fond of. Well, it doesn't mean that the rights under that amendment can't be regulated and they already are so that should be no big deal.

And as a final note, just to piss off the right, I'd like to say that if you look at what our founding fathers really thought was okay, like slavery, women not having the vote, voting only for land owners, etc, etc, etc, then maybe it's time to redo the Constitution and bring it up to date.

Okay spud, now you can begin insulting me and questioning my manliness, but take your blood pressure meds first. Wouldn't want your head to explode.

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Jun 19, 2016 11:41:38   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
richard-sports wrote:
Wanna bet he would condemn owning semi-automatics today?
They have become the weapon of choice of the very people he feared would own them.
Even the jelly bean and ketchup diet kept him alert enough to know the danger.


As he is not here I suppose you can say that he would say, anything you want. But let's remember that after he was shot he never did anything against the legal ownership of firearms by Americans. THAT in itself speaks volumes for me. Of course you will say different and that is your right.

Dennis

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Jun 19, 2016 12:01:49   #
richard-sports Loc: New York City
 
dennis2146 wrote:
As he is not here I suppose you can say that he would say, anything you want. But let's remember that after he was shot he never did anything against the legal ownership of firearms by Americans. THAT in itself speaks volumes for me. Of course you will say different and that is your right.

Dennis


The Reagan quote said assault rifles and did not distinguish between semi and automatic.
Anything to avoid the facts, Pubs,, what else is new?
Even with his jelly bean/ketchup diet he knew enough to not let you nuts have "assault weapons." And as far as I know, assault weapons include semi and fully automatic.
I know, I know,,, Bambi or Donald Duck might attack you in the woods but you guys are so good with your guns that one shot should be enough to take down that terror.

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Jun 19, 2016 12:04:26   #
gmcase Loc: Galt's Gulch
 
richard-sports wrote:
And go ahead and criticize Occupy Dems but that is a direct quote from the sainted Ronnie Jelly Bean.
He said it, if you do not like it then lump it.


Asinine prattle.

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Jun 19, 2016 12:48:48   #
FlyingTiger Loc: Tortola, BVI
 
richard-sports wrote:
The Reagan quote said assault rifles and did not distinguish between semi and automatic.
Anything to avoid the facts, Pubs,, what else is new?
Even with his jelly bean/ketchup diet he knew enough to not let you nuts have "assault weapons." And as far as I know, assault weapons include semi and fully automatic.
I know, I know,,, Bambi or Donald Duck might attack you in the woods but you guys are so good with your guns that one shot should be enough to take down that terror.


It is amazing how so many of you people seem to purposely be deceptive about the definition of "assault weapon". A semi automatic weapon of any kind, long gun or pistol is not an assault weapon. Not as defined by the military or law enforcement. Why can't you be truthful about that?

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Jun 19, 2016 12:54:16   #
gmcase Loc: Galt's Gulch
 
FlyingTiger wrote:
It is amazing how so many of you people seem to purposely be deceptive about the definition of "assault weapon". A semi automatic weapon of any kind, long gun or pistol is not an assault weapon. Not as defined by the military or law enforcement. Why can't you be truthful about that?


Progressives are not bound by adhering to the truth if lying will accomplish their goals. They are firmly entrenched in the ends justify the means godma. They will lie, cheat, deflect, distort, deny, et al, if it will advance their hellish Progressive agenda. In other words, they are commited and accomplished liars.

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Jun 19, 2016 12:55:58   #
Keenan Loc: Central Coast California
 
FlyingTiger wrote:
It is amazing how so many of you people seem to purposely be deceptive about the definition of "assault weapon". A semi automatic weapon of any kind, long gun or pistol is not an assault weapon. Not as defined by the military or law enforcement. Why can't you be truthful about that?


LOL! Even when you gun nut idiots attempt to trap people in your semantic bullshit games, you are as far away from truth and fact as any of your other ignorant bullshit arguments. To wit:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/assault%20weapon
assault weapon
noun
: any of various automatic or semiautomatic firearms; especially : assault rifle

BUSTED! again


Now what are you going to do, idiot? Attack Merriam Webster? LOL! You guys are a joke times ten.

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Jun 19, 2016 14:01:50   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
richard-sports wrote:
The Reagan quote said assault rifles and did not distinguish between semi and automatic.
Anything to avoid the facts, Pubs,, what else is new?
Even with his jelly bean/ketchup diet he knew enough to not let you nuts have "assault weapons." And as far as I know, assault weapons include semi and fully automatic.
I know, I know,,, Bambi or Donald Duck might attack you in the woods but you guys are so good with your guns that one shot should be enough to take down that terror.


What facts am I avoiding? It seems that it is you who is avoiding the fact that Ronald Reagan was shot by an assailant but STILL did not seek any weapon ban. He was smart enough to realize that the gun didn't shoot him but a man shot him. Can't you get it straight that semi auto rifles that look like an assault rifle are in reality NOT assault rifles. If you were correct then every kid with a semi auto .22 rifle would be a violent terrorist waiting to happen. Next you will have us banning cap pistols from children because they give the kid the wrong idea. Oh wait. That is already being done in many places. How is that working out for us.

What you are mouthing off about but don't really have any idea is that in most if not all states, semi auto rifles are used often but when hunting big game the magazine must be limited to 5 rounds. Nobody legally uses a 20 or 30 round magazine to shoot big game. Of course nobody legally murders and wounds a group of innocent people in a Florida night club either but that is another story. Is there really a difference in whether I shoot a mule deer with a 308 bolt action rifle or whether I shoot him with a semi automatic 308 caliber rifle? As long as I am an honest citizen what does it matter to anyone but me? Come up with sensible gun laws that target the criminals and not the honest citizen and gun owners will be happy.

Dennis

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Jun 20, 2016 07:52:22   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
richard-sports wrote:
Wanna bet he would condemn owning semi-automatics today?
They have become the weapon of choice of the very people he feared would own them.
Even the jelly bean and ketchup diet kept him alert enough to know the danger.
They are simply more attractive than standard fare semi automatics. Not to mention lighter & more adaptable to different attachments. Why do you keep targeting the tool instead of the real problem ?. Take those tools away & the only thing you have done is disarm innocent people. Criminals & deranged individuals will still be violent. The will simply get their weapons of choice via black market or use other tools. . Of course that is too logical for you to grasp. I'm assuming you would propose confiscation of all of the ones currently in civilian hands ?

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Jun 20, 2016 08:47:33   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
richard-sports wrote:
And go ahead and criticize Occupy Dems but that is a direct quote from the sainted Ronnie Jelly Bean.
He said it, if you do not like it then lump it.


For all of you who complain about "Assault" weapons.--Hillary and Obama (the strongest opponents of "assault" waepons-- are surrounded with security personnel armed with automatic rifles. Un less the refuse protection of their personnel who carry those automatic weapons-- I suggest that they shut the hell up!!! By the way the police carry assault weapons as well as assault hand guns and assault batons. Marshalls on aircraft also carry assault pistols.

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Jun 20, 2016 09:07:48   #
davidheald1942 Loc: Mars (the planet)
 
richard-sports wrote:
And go ahead and criticize Occupy Dems but that is a direct quote from the sainted Ronnie Jelly Bean.
He said it, if you do not like it then lump it.

I haven't heard of anyone calling for full auto weapons. Not one.
And "jelly bean" as you call him was more man than any demo you can mention,.

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Jun 20, 2016 09:56:19   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
dennis2146 wrote:
He is talking assault weapons which are fully automatic or otherwise known as machine guns. The firearms in question today by Liberals are SEMI AUTOMATIC which are NOT machine guns. How many times do you Liberals have to be told that? Much of the problem regarding firearms today is that people, especially reporters, have no idea what they are talking about. They confuse clips with magazines, semi auto rifles with machine guns, firearms that simply are different looking to tried and true semi automatic firearms that have been used lawfully by American sportsmen and children since the early 1900's.

Machine guns have been heavily regulated since 1934. Now only a few states allow their possession and to buy a machine gun takes a few months of waiting and a hefty tax payment on the sale. In reality machine guns, what are really assault rifles, have not been used in a crime in recent history that I know of. There was an owner of a machine gun, an AR-15, who successfully used it to ward of multiple attackers a few years ago.

Please get your facts straight before just point out inaccuracies.

Dennis
He is talking assault weapons which are fully auto... (show quote)


You are trying to refute dick-less sports with facts? Good luck!

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