llamb Loc: Northeast Ohio

Many years ago while installing a computer and software at a college I had an interesting, but frustrating discussion with a professor. His office walls were covered with charts and timelines of both mans' and earth's development. On a dry-erase board he was de-drifting the continents into one. I mentioned a theory I had long had about how the continents were formed. It went something like this:
A long time ago the planet Earth was about 2/3's (SWAG here, no math was involved) its present size. Its core was molten but the surface had cooled and had formed a crust. A comet or meteor of solid minerals, gasses and ice collided with Earth and shattered the crust. The meteor/comet melted creating water and released its gasses which created our atmosphere. Because the Earth was now larger its shattered crust (continents) was distributed over its molten core, with the water (soon to become oceans) filling the voids, boiling, and releasing gasses. The smiling professor now laughed and said, "We know that it didn't happen that way." Which was the exact same thing a geologist (PhD.) friend told me years before when I told him about my theory.
If anyone is interested, I also have a theory about the creation of lawyers, politicians, bankers, and medical plan administrators.
~Lee

rkramer1

I RECENTLY READ THAT THE AFFECT OF CO2 CAN VARY BETWEEN 9 AND 26% BESIDES ALL OF THE ABOVE. WHAT NUMBER DO YOU THINK AL GORE USED?

JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.

To llamb:

I'm not sure how your theory on the creation of lawyers goes, but there is a joke about a lawyer who fell off his windsurfer in shark infested waters. As he fell he bumped his head on the board and went unconscious. The sharks immediately rallied into a broad formation, quickly charged toward the helpless victim, then swam up under the lawyer lifting him up on their backs, and delivered him safely to the shore. The phenomenon was explained as "professional courtesy." Could it have been a feeling of brotherliness?

llamb Loc: Northeast Ohio

Ha, ha, you're oh, so close. Many years ago I was surfing at Huntington Beach, California. A few locals had adopted the mid-westerner and were giving me tips. We were hand-paddling our boards when someone spotted a shark. Everyone started to paddle in towards shore when one of the guys piped up with, "Hey, Eric, your partner is here." Eric turned out to be an attorney. Jan and Dean never mentioned sharks - either kind.
~Lee

PhotoPhred Loc: Cheyney, Pa

There s also a joke about why a snake will never bite a lawyer. Professional courtesy.

rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona

Professional courtesy might explain that. The only problem I have with this is that sharks are not known to be bottom feeders. However, this particular occurrence could be explained away as opportunistic. I'd buy that one.
--Bob

wetnwld

So you all walked away from the original problem. A close inspection of the vwery Sawtooth Chart that AlGore used shows that the CO2 rise FOLLOWS the temperature rise, not precedes it.

John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN

The last read on this cited the CO2 cincentrations found in very ancient glaciers and the running that data through the known thermodynamic properties of CO2, frozen water, and temperature via the procedures of Physical Chemistry. There are well-developed equations in that discipline. There would be certain difficulties with dating having to do with C-14 vs C-12 analysis of the samples extracted. The prime difficulty would be on the quantity of CO2 captured. Associated with the 4 million years there should have been an indicated 'error' of the number. Like maybe, +,- 2 million years.

John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN

Okay, so how that the thread has devolved into lawyers, it is time for everyone, with one, to post their collection of lawyer jokes. I enjoy reposting Hog funny stuff to Facebokk, with due citations, of course. I count on Chit Chat for my daily dose of laughd.

rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona

John Frim pointed this out on page 1. There's a lot of variables involved with this method. You touched on some of them in your post.

And for those referencing Al Gore, his studies failed to associate the collapse of The Soviet Union with the increase of average global temperatures.
--Bob

richosob Loc: Lambertville, MI

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forjava Loc: Half Moon Bay, CA

Yep. So we don't need grant-seeking observatories to measure the difference.

Observatories unnecessarily introduce uncontrolled variables: different people measuring at each observatory, altitude of measurements is arbitrary and hard to reproduce w/o measurement error, need for a foil like ice bubbles but measuring ice bubbles and bulk air is inherently different.

This headline is lazy mischief, not science, because the claim is not consistent, correct, or complete.

Worse, there are any number of problematic presuppositions. For starters:
--Higher levels of CO2 are worse than lower levels -- but, for example, higher levels promote plant growth
--CO2 is now out of whack -- but would not CO2 have also been out of whack 4M years ago, before humans evolved and in either case it could not be natural and OK?
--CO2 increases appreciably affect climate -- do all agree there is an effect and is the effect agreed to be bad?
--Our science betters know what they are doing and we should be taxed so scientists can intervene to save us
--It is ok for observatories to collude to seem to confirm modeled projections that do not reflect observations
--Every observatory wished to participate and no observatory was afraid to demur

JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.

OK, John, here is one of my favourite lawyer jokes:

A guy goes to see a lawyer and asks him how much he charges. The lawyer says the first 3 questions are free; after that he charges $500 per question? The guy says, "Isn't that a bit expensive?" The lawyer replies, "No, it's the going rate. Now what's your 3rd question?"

whitewolfowner

Al Gore was not trying to fool us, HE WOULD NEVER DO THAT (YEAH RIGHT). The truth is where he was taking samples, o'bozo's ancient ancestor (a T-Rex) has just thawed out and had some gas. Gore happened to collect that f*rt and got his false readings. And you thought it was Bushe's fault all along, didn't you!